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1 hour ago, araucaria said:

I saw a post on this forum where a guy debunked the sensor size myth. Another guy said that the smaller the sensor, the smaller the equivalent lenses. Cellphones are the future, Imagine a camera the size of your fingertip shooting IMAX quality pictures.

Can't wait for the 1mm f/0.05 lens 

There's a DigitalRev test out for the video aspect. The rolling shutter is really massive.

I also had to smirk that certain lenses will make it impossible to mount the A6300 on a longer quick mount plate like most fluid heads use because the mount is too close to the bottom.

I think the X70 has a 3G-SDI out, that will only do FullHD but not 4k.

Ignoring the fact of "promise & deliver", the read out time for the rolling shutter seems to be really, really good. I think people will still be happy with a lot of camera for a great price with the UM4.6k

8 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

The SmallHD 501/502 on top of the BMPCC is a dream. Super light, super sharp, and supports LUTs for BM film.

I know, that combination was actually my original plan. Add the Sidefinder and you're good to go.

There's an official post on the Blackmagic Forum that explains more about the reasons for canceling GS:

https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=45691

I have to agree though, the communication shows the Ursa Mini 4.6k to be the new star of BMD, deservedly so. The BMMCC is just some random product and gets basically no mentioning at all.

11 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

The upgrade from the pocket to BMMCC is still pretty nice. Full sized HDMI, better battery, 60p. If you liked the BMPCC screen then I can see where it wouldn't make sense to upgrade.

But you lose the possibility to use it without an external monitor so you'll always have to rig it. I guess I could live with that. It will run you 1200 € in Germany while a used BMPCC is like 700€. I'm really torn to be honest.

I'm curious how the menu is implemented with only the few buttons, even less than the BMPCC. Is there any video available?

Edit: I think my feelings have to do with the fact that this is roughly identical to the BMPCC. A camera available since 2013. In the time between a lot of cameras have released in the price bracket or slightly above that are very attractive. I like the RAW and ProRes possibility... but you get no 120fps, you get no 2.5k or 4k, no weather sealing, no inbuilt NDs, etc.
I feel BMD is moving on in it's portfolio orientation and moving "up hill" with Ursa Minis. They are great but they're too big & heavy for what I'm interested in. I'm curious how they'll position themselfes for the future. The whole business behaviour in this case gave me a bad taste.

49 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:

If the URSA mini has lost the Global Shutter, thats one thing. But if the Micro has lost it... then I see Zero reasons to by it unless you are a drone shooter or in desperate need for slowmo.

I have to agree. The only thing you get with the BMMCC against the BMPCC is the 60fps and the better battery but as a trade-off for losing the screen. That camera could have been a big success last July but seeing how it took them until now to basically just move the BMPCC sensor in a different body, that's kinda weak. Most people will fare better with a used BMPCC for half of what a new BMMCC costs... but maybe I'm speaking just out of disappointment.

It's 28 weeks later... the zombie cam has arrived... but we'll see in a few weeks what they announced for "July".

2 minutes ago, cojocaru27 said:

found no footage coming from a micro cinema, wonder why? i would have loved to see a raw out of the camera without any compression added by vimeo or youtube.

It will with 99% probability look exactly like BMPCC footage. People were discussing about the possibility of improved moiré, less infrared pollution when using NDs, etc. but I think if that would be the case, BMD would have milked that marketing cow.

I understood it as the feature has been scrapped from plans.

He didn't talk anything about the BMMCC. No global shutter anymore so basically a BMPCC that changes screen for bigger batteries and has a 60fps mode.

To be honest I think it's kind of disappointing that the scrap one of the highlight features without any impact on price... but then they've probably calculated so close to cost and burned so much in development that the prices have no additional margin to compensate.

12 minutes ago, enny said:

I am in Canada i will try to get them to sign a consent form does a consent form has to be region specific

 

Thanks

It of course depends on your local law. That's why in the end most advice will turn towards "contact a local lawyer with experience in the field". What's valid in Canada might not match USA might not match Germany might not match you name it.

13 minutes ago, cpc said:

A7s is actually really nice RS-wise in APS-C mode (similar to 5dm3, which does binning). And it is still full readout of the 1.5x crop area, so it's also pretty good in terms of aliasing.

FF puts a lot of stress on the system cause there are infrastructure problems to resolve which depend on sensor area. FF will always have more RS than APS-C which will have more RS than smaller sizes (like 1") for the same number of pixels.

Ok but then you shoot 1080p. The NX1 also has really low RS in 1080p and quite bad one in 4k. I thought we're  talking about shooting in the cameras' best image quality. It's kinda bothering that you have to choose between image quality and rolling shutter.

Nevertheless impressive what they've put into such a small, cheap camera.

6 minutes ago, cpc said:

Yeah, but this is us and our wishful thinking. Sony people probably still see this as a photo camera with video added in. If they were positioning it as a hybrid (like A7s/A7s2) it would be a 12-16mp camera and wouldn't have these RS issues which the excessive pixel counts bring (and would likely cost a bit more). But it is still possible that they release such a hybrid.

Not sure how Sony operates but my understanding is that photo and video divisions are separate. Hopefully they aren't THAT separate though so that features move in both directions. I'd certainly love an FS5 II with great AF and IBIS. Or an A7s III with electronic ND and great AF.

 

The A7s is just up there with the worst offenders regarding rolling shutter. Which is somewhat surprising.

34 minutes ago, Curtis Ross said:

Im in the market to buy a camera, probably one of these three in the next few weeks/months. To be used ONLY for 4k video productions. I am have done all my research on all of them and know most of the pros/cons of each. I will be using them with canon lens and some native lens from whatever brand i choose or etc.

 

I am a bit worred that the NX1 was discontinued. Correct? Should I been worried about that? How is the 4k quality compared with the other two.

The a6300 seems nice but I am worried about the form factor since I am use to DSLRs mostly. But for great video quality I could get used to it

Is the Sony Alpha a7S II going to have significantly better 4k video quality over the a6300????

 

I know this probably has been covered a thousand times on the forum. But humor me...:)

If you talk about normal, current Canon lenses like the L series stuff, I would rule out the NX1. There's no way of electronically controlling the aperture with these because there are no smart adapters for Samsung.

43 minutes ago, tugela said:

Probably because stills are read completely into the buffer before being processed, whereas in video the raw data stream is read directly into the processor and processed on the fly - hence the rolling shutter.

There's no rolling shutter because stills use the mechanical focal plane shutter while video uses the electronic shutter. It's quite obvious on cameras which can shoot both mechanical and electronic shutter (A7s, X-T1, ...), one has clear rolling shutter and the other not.

Just to give closure, I'm sticking with the NX1 for now. I like the easy to achieve colors and except for low light it's quite good.

I'll sit out until after NAB or maybe Photokina before making any decisions.

...even though I've just got the offer for a 1Dc with 2 years warranty for 4000$ but it's a quite big camera.

Wouldn't a C100 with external recorder be an even cheaper and qualitatively equal choice?

2 minutes ago, kidzrevil said:

Hey do you still feel the same since the release of the a7rii ?

I think that's still valid but at 699 Chf (when last seen in a online store) vs 3500 Chf, who cares?
I think the Sony A7rII and A7sII are just overpriced for the compromise you'll have to make.

I considerd getting a A7r II + Speedbooster but then you look at 4200 without lenses and you have bad slow motion... or you could get A7s II but then you get rather lackluster auto focus and only 12 Megapixel for stills. And both, for my completely personal perception, have really meh colors (apparently to White Balance problems?).

I would take it for 2000 - 2500 $, but not for 3500 € like in Germany. European prices are still crazy.

Hearing about those "GH5 will be 6k" rumors makes me really annoyed. There's basically no really good, usable large sensor 1080p camera (I know, 5DIII ML, but a lot of people don't want to deal with the tinkering) and we jumped to 4k with weak codecs, now we'll directly jump on to 6k with probably the same weak codec but even more post issues?

Forums are full of people arguing that you can't get the good stuff because SD cards are too slow for higher quality, but why can't we at least get 10bit out of the cameras via HDMI? The High Frame Rate also doesn't go out so you shoot 120fps FullHD on some super compressed codec.

Are clips with the BMPCC out there that look like detailed, polished, modern footage e.g. like out of a commercial? All I find on VIMEO is low resolution / badly focussed, dark muddy grades stuff that looks like FilmConvert overdone times 10. I think the image out of the BMCC 2.5k is amazing but that camera ergonomics are meh, the extra resolution really helps over the BMPCC sensor in post for the finished product though.

BMCC 2.5K sensor in a C100 body with Sony IBIS and active MFT mount... TAKE MY MONEY!

6 minutes ago, JurijTurnsek said:

FF depth of field seems out of place in a surveillance camera. Wouldn't a FS7 sensor make more sense and you could keep the lenses smaller and cheaper. Not to mention the APS-C powerzoom lenses ....

If they use wide angle as most would expect and focus is set to at least a few meters away, depth of field is a non-issue.

1Dc

GH4

FS5

Can you actually take off the top handle with the viewfinder? With a lot of the older systems I feel like the monitor and EVFs are so "old tech" that it would be best if you can just take them off and replace them with the system of your choice with HDMI or SDI connection. They also could get in the way when rigging it.

21 minutes ago, Moshimo Garcia said:

I'm sorry about the very nebulous question. I know upcoming cameras like the BM Micro Cinema Camera and probably the next GH will utilize m43, but beyond that, where do you think that m43 stands? I'm wondering if the E-Mount system will,  provide a more robust future? Decisions, decisions. 

Even for the BMMCC you'd want the BMPCC SpeedBooster and not the M43 XL. I feel like things change to rapidly at the moment to make long term planning / investments. If you do videos as a business, consider your ROI. If you do it as a hobby, decide between being conservative with money or splurgig because gear makes you happy.

I've just decided to sit tight on camera investments until more "want to have" criterias meet in one product even though I'd like to upgrade/sidegrade.

15 minutes ago, Moshimo Garcia said:

So, I'm having a bit of a conundrum. I own a GH3, but I am currently on the fence about upgrading to an A7rii this week. I JUST bought the Metabones M43 to EF adapter to use with my Sigma 18-35, but I am considering returning it for the E Mount Adapter, instead. Which adapter do you guys foresee as being more future proof? It's a 650 dollar investment, so, I want to make the RIGHT decision. 

That can't be answered in general. I take it you're talking about the speed booster? In the end you have three future possibilities:

- Stay with Micro43 > Speedbooster for M43
- Go with Sony APS-C > Speedbooster for E-Mount
- Go with Sony Fullframe > Smart Adapter for E-Mount

Seeing how you seem to be undecided about what to opt for in future, did you consider buying used to minimize losses when selling on?

So far the CUBE NX1 from Motion9 is the nicest cage I've seen so far for the NX1 but it's sold out and I'm doubtfull it'll come back in stock when considering the current Samsung situation. Maybe keeping eyes open for a used one?

http://motionnine.com/shop/cube-nx1/

I've got a VD Pix-e5 on order to fix my external monitoring issues (and record in ProRes) and borrowed a 18-55mm OIS from a workmate. I think I'll keep the NX1 until there's a Sony A7s III or Canon C100 III with 4k 10bit HDMI out (LOL like that would happen).

I think the overall package of the NX1 is just so nice, you have to spend big money to get something that tops it.

We'll go spend 4 days on Mallorca next weekend so hopefully I'll get to shoot some clips and do some timelapse.