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Zak Hermiller, 1 day ago:
"The Sigma 18-35mm and the Sigma 50-100 with the Metabones XL speed booster. Its the stronger .64x one so its vignette a little in the corners. Its unusable at 18mm":
 

For the first time ever I've come face to face with the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K and the Blackmagic Pocket Cinema Camera 4K has come face to face with me. It's time to face facts without doing an about-face.
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Here is the trailer:
 
I believe it was the Ultra.

Found this Anti Glare Screen protector for the P4k. Figured it could be useful for others. 
USA amazon 
https://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Blackmagic-ClearTouch-Anti-Glare-Anti-Fingerprint/dp/B07DFBJ7QL/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_421_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N7Q5DT9FJQ6Q6VFSGHXM

Found this Anti Glare Screen protector for the P4k. Figured it could be useful for others. 
USA amazon 
https://www.amazon.com/BoxWave-Blackmagic-ClearTouch-Anti-Glare-Anti-Fingerprint/dp/B07DFBJ7QL/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_421_t_0?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=N7Q5DT9FJQ6Q6VFSGHXM

It’s actually a music video for the Plain White T’s. I used the Pocket 4k and RED Gemini. Lenses were Canon FD primes, and Sigma 18-35.

Film Convert have recently added a new profile for BMPCC 4K - so Philip Bloom can grade his review now.
For those interested, here's a quick link to find it: https://www.filmconvert.com/download/camera-profile 

My review is finally online ! I hope it will help people and answer a few questions ! Let me know what you think of it ! It took me so much time and yet I just have shaky footage to show...  I'll shoot something decent soon, a real project !
 

Haha, I had it on my sigma for my OG pocket and now I can’t get it off ?
 
Been stuck on there for years!

I think that amounts to roughly about 40-50 pages per camera actually owned on here though !
 

I don't think this is the right camera for you.

Ok Now TILTA is dropping a cage next monday   

On facebook the tilta rep said thats a hard shell flip screen protector on back.
BMPCC4k COMBAT!    $69 bucks... Hmmmm
 

It is the entire 2018 production of the BMPCC4K ?

It depends on what you're trying to achieve.
Turning a RAW photo into a nice picture is basically the same for video.  Perhaps video might be a little harder if theres a single shot where the subject moves between light sources with different colour temperatures, but that's unlikely for most of us.
I think there are two situations where grading does require a very high level of competence:
When you're trying to compare two cameras by grading them to look the same, or trying to make both look as good as possible so the potential of both cameras can be compared, or, When you're trying to grade a piece of footage so it just looks absolutely stunning. The first scenario is what the videos in this thread lacks: people that can't match two cameras (or can't even WB both cameras properly) or people that grade one camera nicely and grade the other one very poorly, resulting in that BMPCC4K vs GH5 video where everyone said the GH5 footage looked worse than even average GH5 footage, let alone be good enough to compare to another camera.
The second is a bit less relevant to this thread, but we've talked a lot about the BMPCC videos and how they just looked wonderful with lots of mojo and general awesomeness, and that the BMPCC4K hasn't lived up to that.  Unfortunately, what we're doing is comparing the best results from years of people shooting with the BMPCC - both in terms of people getting to know the cameras modes and best lens combinations, and how to grade it, but also picking those videos where the colourist was quite skilled.  The BMPCC4K hasn't been out long enough for the people who have it to get to know it, test lens combinations and filters, and probability suggests that the best colourists haven't even touched any of the footage yet.
You simply can't compare the best ever footage from one camera with the first few quick films from another.
The videos we've seen so far have been basic colour space conversions, or even just a LUT.  Wait until people really get stuck into the footage.  
The highest level of grading work will have qualifiers to treat skin and various other specific tonalities, will have localised adjustments that will be tracked as objects within the frame move, and these days often some VFX elements, which it's also worth noting that VFX elements don't always mean adding in objects that aren't there, but can also do more subtle things like adding lens flares, digital re-lighting to change a scenes light-source behaviour, digital make-up with face tracking and face enhancements, etc etc.  Lord Of The Rings is obviously a movie with a lot of VFX but IIRC they said that every frame had some VFX on it, even if it was just localised adjustments to dodge-and-burn elements in a landscape or whatnot.
Truly skilled colourists will not only do all the above to make things like nice and give them a look, but they will emphasise and de-emphasise elements and adjust colours according to the psychological effects that these adjustments give, but all in support of the story and characters and entire world of the film.  When we watch a film we become emotionally invested in the world that the film creates, and we cannot help but let this effect the way we see the footage.  A photograph will have more meaning to us if we know the people in it, and so if a great story has characters we care about then the footage will all look better to us because of our emotional engagement.  
This cannot possibly be emulated by random test shots of strangers in parks, models posing, or travel films where the people aren't really featured and certainly don't have any real dialogue.
Have a look at this video which shows a good but still basic colour grade, and note the difference between the first step (LogC to rec709) and the final grade, even though this is a very basic adjustment.
Truly great images will be made from footage recorded with this camera, but the images themselves won't be truly great until they are made into emotionally engaging art.
Otherwise, cameras really would improve our film-making.

Well I know what happened to a lot of you guys cameras LoL. Sorry. I wanted the one on the Very bottom. ?
 

In the Conclusion he sure doesn't sound too enthusiastic about it! Interesting.

Discounts on Smallrig cages:
https://www.smallrig.com/smallrig-cage-for-blackmagic-design-pocket-cinema-camera-4k-2203.html?gclid=CjwKCAjw3qDeBRBkEiwAsqeO7lM4e2S4JqSYHeblhG5haph-_cbaIi_QtDrnfTE9K04kJn09neqBBhoCUnUQAvD_BwE 
$155 for Cage, handle, T5 holder and HDMI/USB-C clamps. Seems pretty good to me - If only I had a camera to put it on.

Threw together a quick video about the 8Sinn FULL CAGE First Impressions. 
I don't normally do these types of videos, it was shot on my Pixel 2. Used a LAV. Pretty basic.
https://youtu.be/eNFf2B4tCnY
 

Funny how people on here say they don’t want the camera but still come back to have opinions about it, a camera barely no one has their hands on yet and they probably have never even seen in real life on top of that.
 
As someone who owns it (and loves it!) and also still owns the OG pocket, I can let you know that with both cameras I get paid 700dollars a day to take pictures with them. Funny right!
 
Next week is first day to take pictures with the P4K actually. I have a very simple work flow with it, just load your DNG into ACR and voila! Here’s a load of pictures taken with OG pocket if you wanna have a look;
https://www.olarch.com/retail

RED Gemini vs Blackmagic Pocket 4K
 

Just FYI, Kamera Express is terrible with sending out pre-orders in the correct order. They basically just seem to pick a name at random from their list and ship it to them - I know people who ordered on the 9th of April who haven't gotten anything, and people who ordered in September(!) who did.

This. 

Humans struggle to judge things objectively, instead viewing it as relative to its nearest comparisons. 

For instance a similar problem you get it is people get upset and grumpy about how "awful modern day life is", yet from the big picture view, we've never had it better! Even the 90th percentile of us in a 1st World Country are living better off than the Kings of France would in the 1500's

I'll admit though, it is a battle to be happy and content with what you have now instead of lusting after the latest shiny toy. I own the original BMPCC after all, but the more I read this thread the more I want the BMPCC4K.....    *if* I do give into tempting to buy another camera, I'll try to get either the Panasonic G85 which is much cheaper and would actually be more useful for my YouTube vlogging, or a 2nd Sony PMW-F3 which I'm often finding useful as a second matching angle to my current F3.  
 
Half the people...  that includes you and I, right? ?

But yeah, kinda tempted to follow that plan too and buy one next year secondhand. 
However a flaw in that plan is what if they're still only fulfilling pre-order even into early next year....  ha!!
But whatever excuse I need to tell myself to avoid buying one this year!

That file that Philip Bloom uploaded is pretty interesting.
I have very little experience with grading high-end footage, but this seems to be really gradable and very difficult to break.
Here's a frame without any processing linked at the bottom of this post.
and the waveform:

If I adjust levels to use the full height then I get this:

and using contrast and pivot we can push it up or down a really long way...

 

There is a little noise there on the guys jacket, but it doesn't look like fixed pattern, and this is pushing it until it breaks.  Crazy stuff.
Thanks to Philip Bloom for the file
PB BMPCC4K test footage Untouched_1.1.1.tif

Why the hell did he buy it in the first place?  Surely you would realise all this before spending $20,000 dollars on something.  Clearly more money than sense.
Really if he was honest he could sum up his video with "I thought I was a cinematographer but then I realised I was a videographer"
Its pretty ridiculous when you think about it.  Its like a taxi driver buying a Ferrari and then posting an earnest video explaining all of the reasons why it wasn't right for his taxiing as if people would be surprised.
Rich people problems.  
Though you wonder why someone who could afford a Ferrari so casually would continue to taxi-drive.
 

My take on it.

All cinema cameras I know of have a built in screen of some sort (there probably are those without any screen as well). Many of which cant display the image at all. Its for settings only.
On the Blackmagic cameras however they can also display the image so you could, when needed, use only it,
I view the screen as I do the battery. It is a Cinema Camera. Cinema Cameras use external power.
However BMD has built in an internal hot swap battery in their cameras. Ment to keep the camera going when changing power source. So in a pinch you could use it. And on some of their models its even intechangable, so you could, when needed, use only it for long shoots as well. 
And the size. It is a Cinema Camera. Cinema Cameras are big.
However BMD has made the brain of two of their models really small, pocket sized actually. So you could, in a pinch, strip it down and use it with just a pancake. Making it really light and small.