kaylee

second hand sony pmw 150s, panasonic AG-AC160s, or panasonic aj-hpx255s if the p2 cards are included?
new panasonic HC-X1s or sony PXW-Z150s?

Will this be edited in post or will it be connected to a switcher? 
If it's being done in post then you've got a lot of options. Pretty much any camcorder that allows you to custom white balance will work. I filmed lots of multicam shoots with the Sony hdr-cx580. It's an older camera, but it was decent in low light and worked really well. 
If they're doing it live then two GH5 cameras with primes would work. Even if they do the editing in post the GH5 is a great option, but I specifically say this because it has the full size HDMI out. If they prefer camcorders then the Panasonic HC-MDH3 is the cheapest camcorder you'll find that has a full size HDMI, at least that I know of. 

OP said that the cameras will be used in a "talk show" setting.
So, they will likely be on sticks and require a lens that can get fairly tight, with smooth zoom-in/zoom-outs.

hey guys!! please help me so i can recommend camera(s) for my friends new ~low budget youtube show~
its a satire of a typical late night talk show... from carson to the present, very similar sets, right? desk, two chairs/couch, etc. this will be a small set in a living room – not the ed sullivan theatre, just fyi
the director wants to start with two cameras, allowing for the possibility of adding more in the future, but they need to match – meaning: we need two inexpensive identical camera bodies. two of the same camera
the camera needs to:
- have reasonable image quality
- shoot forever without overheating
- have a front facing flippy screen
- be super affordable
- it does NOT need to shoot stills at all, a 'camcorder' is totally a possibility (something in know nothing about)
suggestions??
 
please help!! thank you!! love u guize!!!
 

hey guys!! please help me so i can recommend camera(s) for my friends new ~low budget youtube show~
its a satire of a typical late night talk show... from carson to the present, very similar sets, right? desk, two chairs/couch, etc. this will be a small set in a living room – not the ed sullivan theatre, just fyi
the director wants to start with two cameras, allowing for the possibility of adding more in the future, but they need to match – meaning: we need two inexpensive identical camera bodies. two of the same camera
the camera needs to:
- have reasonable image quality
- shoot forever without overheating
- have a front facing flippy screen
- be super affordable
- it does NOT need to shoot stills at all, a 'camcorder' is totally a possibility (something in know nothing about)
suggestions??
 
please help!! thank you!! love u guize!!!
 

Sounds like small camcorder with a decent rocker zoom and manual capability would be ideal.
Markus Pix recently touted the Sony CX405, but it would be smart to look at offerings from other brands:
 
Tell your friend to put all the cameras side-by-side before shooting, and then to white balance them simultaneously off of the same white/gray card.  Additionally, your friend should shoot a short clip of the white/gray card with each camera -- just in case!
 

Heck, great image, this guy got out of his GX85! Great montage and camerawork as well. He shot with the native 25mm 1.7 and the pancake zoom 12-32. I heard good things about both lenses.
 
 

I really like what's coming out of this camera. The video above is beutifully shot imho and with a fantastic image, as I gave my reasoning about before. Best test video I have seen in a long time. If disagreement is a reason to see you post again, I must say I am very happy about that.😊 @kaylee

uhm im missing whats good about this
 

uhm im missing whats good about this
 

uhm im missing whats good about this
 

So I got a R5c for a week to test to decide if to switch one of my R5 to a R5c.
 
After the first two days these are my observations in comparison to the R5, that are hard to get from the youtube reviewer madness.
 
The good:
8K 60 RAW is the same quality as 8K 30. Btw in Resolve on my gaming notebook I can playback on a 4k 60 timeline with no issue with some basic color grading. I was expecting worse
4k 60 is great and better than R5 4k 60 logically
S35 6K RAW is also very good
4k 120 it seems also a tad better than the R5 but I need more test here to confirm
XAVC is a way better format to edit than h265 so the fact that you can do 4k up to 120 fps 10bit Clog3 in XAVC is great
The Cinema menu system is much more logical and better organized.
Waveform! False Color and Magnifying all during recording.
All the right info on the recoding display, the R5 is a bit of mess while recording video.
You can decide what you show where for almost anything LCD vs VF vs HDMI
You can really decide what you want to record on the second card in parallel, the R5 is ok but fairly restricted
More DR, is it 1.5 stop more than R5 as Gerald claims I cannot judge but is definitely better than the R5
No limits, no overheating
Still very small body
With long lens with IS I really don’t miss IBIS, I see no difference vs R5 (70-200 and 100-500), non IS lens is a no go compared to the R5 logically.
Face Only AF is really good for filming person as it will not focus on the bg and back to the face if it looses the face. R5 does not have this mode.
AF at the maximum speed settings is on pair with the R5 it seems but I need more test to confirm
Media playback has waveform and vector scope, R5 has nothing
2TB delikin cards are fast enough for 8K RAW LT 60 fps
 
 
I can work with but it could be better:
Switching from Photo to Video is slow but not as terrible as I thought, disabling in both Photo and Video the sensor cleaning make it somewhat usable
Maximum shutter speed is 1/2000….. I sometime use the camera in 8K RAW as remote camera for pictures and I need more that 1/2000….R5 is 1/4000  Why is like this I have no idea,?
The media playback part is not that great, no magnification on playback (same as R5), UI not great, no slow motion playback speed (R5 has it), need a lot of button press to delete videos, you cannot scroll through videos with the wheel, although  on the plus side it plays back one after the other (R5 cannot do this). Would be super useful that you could cut RAW video files in the media playback (R5 cannot do neither)
No audio controls for the onboard mic. R5 has it.
The body is wider so balancing on a Ronin S with the nd adapter and EF 24-70 2.8 is not ideal as the VF bumps on the motor…. with some weights or having the motor work more is fixable.
With EF lens no auto Iris but the R5 can do it.
Prerecording does not work in RAW
 
 
 
The bad:
Battery is really miserable and if you record or not it consumes basically the same, the problem that when the menus are displayed the camera still capture video at the frame rate that you set….. the only way that it seems to stop chewing battery is to call the media playback menu, so this is the only trick that seems to work to save battery instead of turning it off.
Using PD power banks solve the issue but the USB-C is bound to break and is on the main board.
Using a Dummy battery coupler with a V-Mount battery currently is not a good solution because all the dummy ones regulate at 7.2v not enough for 60fps! The only one that serves 9v is the canon one Canon DR-E6C DC Coupler for EOS R5 C 5664C001 B&H Photo Video (bhphotovideo.com) that is overpriced and a piece of junk as you need another adapter for the D-Tap Anton Bauer P-Tap to Canon 9V Barrel Cable (20") 8075-0271 B&H (bhphotovideo.com). Really a bad solution.
It desperately needs a third party dummy battery that regulates at 9v similar to this Kondor Blue D-Tap to Canon LP-E6 Dummy Battery KB-DTAP-CLPE6 B&H (bhphotovideo.com)
Or the real better solution a battery grip with 1Dx,R3 battery…….
If I keep it my plan is to buy a FXLION Nano One and use the USB PD port until somebody sells a 9v D-Tap dummy battery and then simply switch the cable.
AF is way less features rich than the R5: no animal, vehicle, helmet tracking. No various AF sizes only whole, large and small. AF > 60fps  is limited to Continuous AF, so no face tracking and no object tracking. This is the second biggest issue other than the battery
I could not find a way to store and recall settings like C1, C2, C3 on the R5…… so changing from 8K RAW 24p to 4k 120fps XAVC you need to touch multiple menu items. This should really be added.
Onboard WiFi is not working in Video mode.


Canon should enable the video feature in photo mode like in the R5 so if you need more rich AF and better battery is there.
Second they should optimize the battery management while not recording and add more features to the AF. The HW is capable so why not?
Third they should sell a D-Tap 9v dummy battery and a R3 battery grip too.
Forth they should remake the media playback part, with zoom, minimum video editing and better usability


I love the cinema OS for video but they really need to fix the battery and add AF feature then it would be the best camera. I’m even happy if they just re-enable video on the photo mode.
 
More tests in the next days. 

Hyperbole much? I've literally stated for years at this point that Panasonic needs to fix its autofocus because it's what the market demands. Acknowledging its weakness, while expressing how the autofocus performance is overblown by YouTubers that don't spend enough time to get the best out of the camera, isn't being apologetic. It's sharing my experience as someone who uses these cameras for a variety of types of professional work, from sit down interviews to pro-wrestling.
Who has a more valid opinion of Panasonic's autofocus? The person that filmed these clips or the people that tested the camera while bopping in and out of frame while it sat on a tripod?
 
Are these shots unusable? Am I wrong to be satisfied with this AF performance? People just parrot what YouTubers say. How are these shots even possible given how AWFUL and UNUSABLE Panasonic's autofocus is?

Well my opinion is that RED rushed their products to the Market. If you look at the image from an Alexa Classic, which came out around 2011 same time as the Scarlet, it's image aside from resolution is pretty much identical to the more recent Alexa LF. If you compare the RED Scarlet to the most recent RED you can't say the same thing.

 Red has continually put completely different sensors in next gen cameras since the start. The image pipeline from RED has also changed. The older RED cameras are known for being pretty dang accurate in Daylight but not so much tungsten. It improved with the 6K epic dragon sensor. I really think they have nailed it with the Komodo. I compared all three cameras Epic Dragon, Komodo and the Alexa Classic. The Komodo was pretty much identical, the Drgaon looked quite a bit different.

I mean that was part of the appeal of REDRAW, you can get any look you want. It was meant to be something you had to fiddle with in post. The ARRI look has been known to be life like, what you see is what you get. Can't say the same for RED, at least in the past. Cameras in general are much more color accurate now though. I was really shocked how easily the Sigma FP matched to the Alexa. The gap is closing in on ARRI.

That said older RED cameras definitely have an appeal. The name still stands high in film circles and there are a lot of advantages to a camera designed for cinema use. It pisses me off incredibly that RED has their RAW patent, but you can't get around that 16 bit REDraw is a joy to work with.

congrats, @Andrew Reid!
could you all broadly expand on the progress in color science between these REDs? I haven't kept up...

Decided to get a proper RAW cine camera. It was between RED and Blackmagic. The RED seems to have more mojo, especially the older EPIC and Scarlet. I am also trying a RAVEN out.
The older REDs are not expensive now. Paid £1790 for an EPIC-X, with 5K 120fps RAW.
But when building it out, that's when the costs start rising.
But for under $3500 you can definitely get a good kit.
It's about the dynamic range and RED raw for me. The colour science is also very nice.

I love how you tell us what you're going to eat when you read articles. It's as if a certain food goes well with a certain camera... with fava beans and a nice chianti. 

Come on fellas, at least try and keep it on topic…

omg that looks so good

omg that looks so good

omg that looks so good

Double cheeseburger

 

no it is not
 

if u wanna actually do this, you need a great script which ppl LOVE, something brilliant, and you need to determine a budget if u wanna produce it asap
what's your projected budget?
and you want to write a BOOK first? a NOVEL? sure, but this'll take a while and you may lose a lot of your [long] novel when you get to boil it down to a screenplay... 
I don't write anything without a budget. am I writing a $100 mil film or a $1 mil film? there's a big difference!
and you're going to crowdfund the budget? tell me more

if u wanna actually do this, you need a great script which ppl LOVE, something brilliant, and you need to determine a budget if u wanna produce it asap
what's your projected budget?
and you want to write a BOOK first? a NOVEL? sure, but this'll take a while and you may lose a lot of your [long] novel when you get to boil it down to a screenplay... 
I don't write anything without a budget. am I writing a $100 mil film or a $1 mil film? there's a big difference!
and you're going to crowdfund the budget? tell me more