IronFilm

Blackmagic for the win.
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1275888-REG/360rize_360helios_678_6_7_8_camera_360_video_rig.html

People don't shoot movies full frame, well very few its not the norm  , super 35 /apsc is standard all those loveley cinema  lenses won't work full frame , plus I really don't like the full frame look on movies , I'm used to guaging all my focal lengths relative to super 35 .
So this new camera in apsc is a bonus !

Seems odd, but I guess the full frame market is seen as quite conservative, and getting pro Canon and Nikon shooters to shift to mirror-less is a big challenge, especially now that Sony has such a developed mirrorless full frame operation. A whole new lens system, just to catch up with Sony?

I saw a Sony F65 for sale on DVXUSER today $22k complete kit minus lens, batteries, and tripod, seems like a good deal! I wonder if Ed David still has his F65? Ed did love his old F35 and produced some great images with that. Tools, we do love our tools.
F65 kit
INCLUDED:
-Sony F65 brain, with SRR4 recorder & control panel
-Sony OLED EVF
-1x 1TB SRMemory card (blue)
-1x 256GB SRMemory card (black)
-Gold Mount battery plate
-Extended length power cable for use with DC power block
-SRPC4 high-speed card reader 
-Set of 19mm carbon fiber rods (12" & 8")
-Travel case
$22K

I was wrong.
I was a fool.
I bought a Ursa Mini 4.6k EF mount.
A week before the Ursa Mini Pro came out.
Opps.
But, still, this camera is incredible.
I was an idiot for criticizing them.
And now with the pro, they have delivered an ideal camera - capable of Raw or log for only $6000.  That looks like an alexa.  That is built well.  That is small.  That seems to not overheat.  A really amazing camera.
Blackmagic has done what Red had dreamed of.

Do you guys think there is a future in manual lenses, though? Won't they become obsolete once DPAF is good enough? Similar to manual still lenses extinction after AF got good enough for pro use. 

Anyone buying a $6,000.00 camera can probably afford some decent lighting equipment. But yeah, would be nice if it was a stop or two higher. You have to remember that BM has not really been around that long, and they have brought out a Ton of equipment in a damn short time. They are learning.
This whole website is full of people that admire their products. Pretty amazing for a startup company. 

Riadnasla, one option is to stay in the Sony camp, and get a EX3 for your speaking events, these can be had for $1,500 in good condition with extras! great codec for those long events, you can use the F3 as a second camera that you can dumb down to match the EX3, you would have easy timecode sync with both cameras, then I would only add an A7S for your Glidecam, that camera could also net you 4K should you ever need it. So if you could raise the funds say $3,000 you would have three cameras that would cover anything you need. When you jump into the Canon camp, you could almost do the same thing with the C100 and a Canon mark III, and the DPAF on the C100 would work great for the Glidecam.   

I think your right. It will be pretty much like the GH4. A great camera that some love and others feel disappointed.
We will then make a little list of features that would turn it into the perfect camera.
By the time a new camera with those features arrive we have made a new little list of the next couple of must haves.
And so we dance.

Well I have to admit if 1080p is what you need without a high fps Slo Mo, there is not a way in hell you can beat the Sony F3 you are using with the Odyssey 7Q+. They have the look no camera we can afford can do, like a Arri gasp!
And for Run n Gun for 1080p a Canon C100 mkII is not shabby either.

I think they are trying to address the "blackmagic are always delayed" issue. The easiest start to this is a production camera that will ship much smaller numbers. Which is the case with the mini pro.
Hopefully, once they streamline their production process, they can then look at a smaller product that will shift 10,000s... on time!
I think it's a smart, long term move.

Many people have a good point here and I really couldn't see the Mini Pro coming, but I reckon they positioned it to became their flagship halfblood cam, emptied the whole fridge into the pan to make it jack of all trades now and I doubt it would jeopardize their lower end line.
The Pocket complemented the big URSA, the Micro did the same with the URSA Mini and I doupt their latest top of the range shoulder blaster will stay without a cute melee weapon for too long.
Also they still sell every piece of gear they made so far, even their first cinema camera is still available to buy brand new. They are patching every hole in the market with almost a half grand precision.

Here's the funny thing about that comment. It still is a pocket camera in a way. I use my pocket both on and off my Beholder gimbal while keeping my Jukebox in my sweatshirt pocket, at the ready, between shots. Works like a charm and I've yet to run out of battery in a day. The image coming out of the pocket took some working to make easier, but as tech has progressed so many new products have come out to make this cam better. I have few complaints with my pocket cam.

I nearly didn't buy the 55mm f1.8 by Sony because it wasn't £900 like the 90mm f2.8 and the 28mm f2 had to be rubbish at only £350. Everybody knows about the Sony lens premium but I went ahead and bought those two lenses with great suspicion that there must be something wrong with them - which there isn't.
I shall do the same with the Sony 85mm f1.8 (£600), worrying that I should have got the Batis at £1000 or the f1.4 GM at £1600.
Half price camera bodies and lenses - or half price anything for that matter - whispers to us there must be something crappy about it.
The BMPCC is £70 cheaper than a GH4, so the end product (image) must be worse.
The saying "You get what you pay for" can deceive us.

I am expecting a C100markIII announcement, or else I see myself going for the FS5, the variable ND filter is a good reason as it is already. 
In the end, as I see it, even a JVC LS300 for 3000euros (we already have one) is great to bring some bread on the table and the budget can be spend on lights and/or some sound equipment (Zoom F4 anyone?!) to complete my set.
This announcement is quite exciting, but I do not see taking too many customers from Canon and Sony, even though they will definitely take some. This camera seems like a work-sheep, not a work-horse.
I am waiting for the first reviews and future announcements from other companies, just hope to push Canon and Panasonic make a move, at last.
I just can't understand how Panasonic is out of this game with a Varicam Ultra Light Tiny, C100/FS5 killer!

I thought it recorded 10bit 1080p internal?

Yeah, these were almost exactly my comments there. C5D does far too often technical mistakes like this, it happens in basically every article. They look more knowledgeable than they actually are and I've seen this in so many articles, enough so I follow the news, but take any technical report with a grain of salt.
They are confusing compression issues with color depth issues, two very distinctive things, propagating terrible misinformation for those that know even less than they do.
To clear this up, they should have done an external recording to rule out compression and codec issues before jumping into 10-bit is no good. Plus, I'm not really into this level of pixel peeping anyway. They even missed some other observations about the other cameras artifacts or even other GH5's advantages too.
In the end, they are spreading a lot of misinformation which will only confuse even more people that already don't eff understand what color depth and chroma subsampling is, this is already a complicated topic to discuss out there because there are already a lot of poorly done tests about this matter and this isn't doing it any favor at all.
 

Bravo! I like Cinema5D, among other websites like yours, but I appreciate your breakdown of this article. Also, I enjoy reading your articles in general!
I plan to buy a GH5 when it comes out and these little criticisms... Don't really bother me. I have used the GH4 for two years, and I 
I have used previous GH models in the past, so I am looking forward to getting my hands on the GH5!

The camera can write 160MB/s to SD cards:
http://www.cameramemoryspeed.com/olympus-e-m1-ii/sd-card-speed-comparison-test/

I bought my f3 for $12,000.  Slog upgrade was $3000.  I just sold my last one for $1,500 including tons of batteries and media.  
Out of every piece of gear, cameras depreciate in value probably the fastest.  

You might be better of keeping your F3, the prices are so low now it could make you cry   besides the Canon C100 II, with the limit to 8 bit out is still nice, but it's not the 10 bit of the F3! I like the locking SDI connectors on the Sony, the C100 HDMI is too weak. The C100 original and C series cameras are lovely cameras, but you have more DR range shooting RGB S Log, with the F3. The Sony F5 would be a nice upgrade path, but it gets bulky when you add on the extras.
  

100% Agree with this, I run with an F3 (S-log) + Gemini 4:4:4, and they're built like bricks, never had any issues. Often my clients have difficulty re-focusing from "need 4K" to "need awesome image quality", but after the shoot when I start going through the dpx footage, all debates stop. Biggest downside for me: It's a light cinema camera, but it still heavy as a cinema camera compared to stuff like the C100s. I'm usually a one-man band, so that means a lot more work, but if that doesn't bother you, I can't recommend better IQ for the price. In addition, the native FZ mount can adapt to pretty much anything other than E-mount for the price of a cheap adapter. 
 
My reel, shot mostly with available light, with this rig for demonstration: 
 

I'm happy I held off with upgrading computers. The Ryzen 7 1800x and Vega will be the centerpieces for my new 4K video editing workstation, with MAGIX Vegas Pro 14 at the helm!

Maybe its time to ditch my i7 and GTX1060, going all AMD this year! (Ryzen + VEGA combo)
Sick of seeing my 4core i7 is still relevant after all this years and 8 core Intel setup is still waay over priced (cpu + mobo is too high priced)
8core cpu at only 65W is massive! Intel 8core is pretty power hungry at 140w!
 
Quicksync is irrelevant IMHO, doesn't care since my GTX1060 does big improvment over my old GTX660 on rendering time, 8c16t >>>>>>4c8t any time of the day, especially on vfx heavy projects

I do like my F3, ( I have three of them now for multicam shoots ) I find for WEB and TV it has all the resolution I need, the image is wonderful going out to my Odyssey 7Q+ S Log RGB 444, it does have a great film like image when handled well, It is built tough and has so many solid HDSDI connections, just make sure you get the RGB S Log upgrade either installed already, or with the key! If I want to step up to a client that request 4K I bought a Canon C500, I do find 2K to be more than enough for everything I'm shooting these days. Some good information on the old F3 is out there.
F3 in fact has a 3.4-3.6 megapixel sensor. And from further reading it seems engineers find that, while very small pixel pitches bring with them increased noise, once you reach a reasonable size -- 4-6 microns -- the benefits of larger pixel pitches in terms of noise are reduced. Thanks for the comments -- that's exactly the kind of info I was trying to suss out.
Here is the full read:
http://nofilmschool.com/2011/03/sony-f3-times-light-gathering-ability-red