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4 minutes ago, Kino said:

I'm not sure I agree that RED's problems are "brushed under the rug." At least, that's not what I've seen with recent issues.

 

What I mean is it is confine to a few threads on reduser, but doesn't spread out the the wider world of the internet etc
Unlike BMD UM4.6K which every time you turn your head there is someone else there complaining about it, or repeating what someone else said (or repeating repeating repeating what someone else said about it!).

Maybe it is because BMD is making many many more sales than RED, thus the problems might only be at the same rate, but because there are so so many more models out there you hear more about it. 

1 hour ago, kaylee said:

for me a 5d4 is extremely attractive with a raw video hack, even at an improved 1080p, but thats in addition to its features as a stills camera. i want a camera that does both, one thats stealthy enough to not attract attention

 

If you want smaller then the Terra 5K/6K is only about 5D size! :-o 

And if you want a great stills camera the D750 will be available for a dirt dirt cheap price by the time a ML raw hack for 5Dmk4 arrives.

Agreed, I want to see a Rokinon Cine DS 18-85mm T4 S35 lens at a rock bottom low price!

I don't understand the talk about 5Dmk4 and ML raw because:

A) it won't happen any time soon. Expect 2017 minimum before it is out and solidly working great. 

B) the price is insane if you're getting it just for raw, you're creeping up close to KineFinity Terra 5K or URSA Mini 4.6K pricing! 

Maybe BMD forums are much much more open about discussing this? While reduser shuts this down hard.

I hang around the RED forums a little, not much but more than than BMD forums, & I'm very unaware of these Raven issues!! Yet it is completely impossible to be unaware of the BMD issues even if you never visit their forums!

I'm guessing BMD the company and its users are much more open in discussing it, vs RED (the company and owners?) tend to brush it under the rug?

I'd say C300II is only selling out now thanks to the price drop. Go back in time a bit and it wasn't. 

On Wednesday, August 31, 2016 at 2:29 AM, John Brawley said:

Ok so if you could get one today for 3K it would be a "good" camera ?

jb 

Well today its competition is not the BMPC4K but the URSA Mini 4K, which is also $3K.

Thus for the AJA CION to be competitive if released today I'd say it possibly needs to be priced below the URSA Mini 4K?? And we know that is never going to happen! 

On 8/31/2016 at 1:47 AM, Liszon said:

Well what he said is not a lie actually, the bare bones 16k F5 doesn't do internal raw - unless you have the R5 sitting in the back.

On 8/31/2016 at 2:42 AM, kgyalla said:

I meant the base Sony F5. Add to the fact that you can only get the higher bitrate options with the external recorder and the camera does not come with any power/monitor options out of the box. The 4k is also a optional license add on. 

I tonight made the F5 I'm using shoot 4K ***FOR FREE****! ;-) :-D 

http://www.reduser.net/forum/showthread.php?148795-Canon-s-new-C700&p=1659639&viewfull=1#post1659639

Yet another report that C300mk2 is renting poorly (in regards to the likelihood the C700 will be a hot rental item):

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Well, considering that many Rental Houses are having issues renting most of their C300MII stock I sincerely doubt it. 

This is at best a "me too camera" from Canon, that is late to the party.

I think we'll see hefty discounts for the C700 in a year-ish, just like with the C300mk2 (which also was too little and too late by Canon).

Seems the reason I've been bashing my head against the wall for the last few hours is the md5 checksum tool I was using gave the md5 hash in uppercase but F5 only recognises the checksum hash in lowercase!!!! arrrghhhh, a hideously subtle bug that took me forever to discover after a million other dead ends

11 hours ago, jax_rox said:

But hey, I'll happily eat my proverbial hat if it does, in fact, happen.

Get your hat ready Jax!

I'm somewhat stumped here. As the instructions say:

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To enable 4K at 23.98 enter:  150=4096,2160,1001,24000,1,1,0,8,0,0,0,1,1,1,6

But that is EXACTLY the same as what I see from my saved 001.ALL file!! :-/ :-( 

On 8/15/2016 at 7:56 PM, IronFilm said:

Nah, the paid upgrade allows proxy recordings at the same time internally as well I think? Plus there might be a few other differences I'm unaware of. 

Oh, and I can update my earlier comment with another difference... you don't get to see 4K playback internally! :-( Though you can see the thumbnails.

Thus I am using a Samuari Blade set to Sony trigger, as the easy no fuss way of having playback on set.

Maybe the GH5's "6K" only applies to when recording in 4:3 mode for anamorphic shooters.

And we need to wait for the GH6 to see "true" 6K.

This seems very reasonable to me.

New news, it is shipping :-D

http://www.newsshooter.com/2016/08/31/birtv-2016-kinefinitys-6k-terra-starts-shipping-and-gets-new-accessories/

3 hours ago, John Brawley said:

I think they failed because they didn't make a good camera.  Everyone THOUGHT it would be a good camera on spec and to look at but actually it really wasn't.  The images were mediocre.  It didn't even do half the features claimed unless you used an un-announced and un-launched external recorder that AJA were presumably going to build later.

 

I think the AJA Cion might maybe have had a shot at being an acceptable "good" camera if it had been priced the same as a BMPC4K. But it wasn't, it was way way waaaaay higher in price! 

On 8/30/2016 at 5:03 PM, kgyalla said:

As someone who has just bought a c300 mark 2 and is the owner of two c100s, I second Tom's comments. The sony camera's have failed to deliver a shooter experience let alone a image quality I desire. One has to realize that the c300 mark 2 was never competing with the fs7 but the F5 and F55. The F5 that still retails for over 16k, has no internal 4k, no 12 bit 4444, and one stop lower in dynamic range. So compared to that, the c300 mark ii is quite a steal even at the same price. Canon was always aiming for the Sony F5/F55 line during their C300 Mark ii development process.

However, Sony's release of the fs7 wasn't ever based on a real product strategy. Which company would release the two lower priced prosumer products that have a wealth of features that there entry level Pro camera could not do without a pricey firmware update. Sony has shown a resurgence in the last two years with the A7 line by throwing the entire kitchen sink at the problem of slumping sales. We as the consumers have benefited greatly from this. However, as a videographer/cinematographer that needs gear to provide a living for me (www.kyalla.co), these cameras though feature rich lack great image quality. 4k is overrated when compared to skin tones, color science, ergonomics, etc. Though I think there is many areas that Canon needs to improve in (overcrank), I do think they have been taking the right approach of focusing on image quality, ergonomics, build construction, and color.

WTF...  so so wrong. Unless you are claiming what I did today was impossible? As I was just today recording 'internally' with a Sony F5 in 4K 16bit raw, name any Canon which can do that for such a low price? NONE can!!

So pfffttttt... blew right past that measly 12bit and doing 16bit raw! ;-) Ha! No Canon, at any price, can do that internally.

What happened when you looked at the footage? 

RIP Samsung,  you were way ahead of your time. Too smart for your own good! 

Errr... the DJI X5R is Us $3.3K with expensive media!! And was even much more expensive when it first came out!

& is an extremely no frills camera vs an URSA Mini. No pro audio (its fan is too noisy anyway), no SDI out, etc

I'd never think of a X5R as an ultra good value camera like I would with a BMD product. 

3 hours ago, jcs said:

Perhaps it depends on location? When I asked the folks at Division Camera in Hollywood many months ago (they hadn't had the C300 II that long), they said the C300 II was renting very well, just surpassing the FS7 (Alexa Mini was also very popular). Alexa is popular as it takes the least work in post- largest usable DR and best color/look straight out of the camera. The DR really helps if over/underexposed: good recovery results are possible in post (people make mistakes, lighting can change unexpectedly etc.). This saves time and money (don't need to reshoot, and/or a shot that would be lost on another camera is still usable).

Got to remember the bias they have when you ask if a camera is "popular".

It isn't in their best interests to make you think a camera is unpopular and to thus make you reconsider renting it!

Plus even if they're telling the truth that the C300II rents just as much as the FS7, the fact they have to first slash the rental price of a much more expensive camera down to near the level of the FS7 shows that it isn't really as popular. 

57 minutes ago, JR Lipartito said:

I was thinking that exact same thing. If you look at the top-down image of the leaked photos, you'll see that the accessory shoe on top is not a hot-shoe for attaching a flash like the original XC10 has, it's a cold shoe with a screw hole, just like the C100 mkII has for mounting the XLR handle.

The first image attached is the leaked XC15 and below that is the same angle on the XC10.

Very good spotting! I'd assumed it was just one audio input for XLR and nothing else  but this does indicate a handle

AJA Cion failed due to the (initially) very high price of the camera  (relative to the BMPC4K) and very high priced proprietary media.

Also didn't they initially make it PL only? Another dumb move if it was ever going to have a broad uptake. Should've had an EF option much earlier.