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7 hours ago, jax_rox said:
I thought XQD was a SanDisk/Sony collab? In which case, can't see Panasonic getting on board with that!
Nikon uses XQD as well, basically the world of next gen cards seems to be broken into XQD vs CFast.
And Panasonic hasn't really given any indication at all as to which way they might jump for their top of the line mirrorless camera. (except that Panasonic does use P2 cards, but just maaaaybe, they might see the P2 users as a totally different class to GH series users and thus class them with something else of XQD or CFast. Anyway.... they might just stick with SD cards, as the latest fasts cards can handle 4K 10bit)7 hours ago, jax_rox said:Considering the DVX200 isn't recording 10-bit 4:2:2 internally, I can't see Panasonic putting that functionality into a camera 1/2 (or less) its price.
By the time the GH5 comes out next year the DVX200 will be becoming reasonably long in the tooth, and remember a large chunk of the cost of the DVX200 is its Leica lens, which a GH body never comes with. Plus the DVX200 is aimed for a rather different class of users.
7 hours ago, jax_rox said:I think the smart play for Panasonic would be to bring out an AF101 successor that has 4k 10-bit 4:2:2 internal (and V-Log)
Then have your GH5, with 10-bit 4:2:2 1080p, 8-bit 4k with no crop.
I'd brand the two as 'Varicam' cameras which would bring a bit of notoriety and 'professionalism' to the products. It would solidify a product line-up as per Sony, RED, Arri, Canon, Blackmagic etc. Panasonic is really the only major player that seems to be kinda flailing about - and they appear to be failing to gain traction on their higher-end models. Compare to Canon or Sony in particular who have a very solid product line-up, and manageable upgrade path. Panasonic has none of this, and they could have all of it.
I fully agree Panasonic should bring out a low/mid range camera above their mirrorless range.
But they certainly could have a GH5 4K 10bit @US$2K + AF200 (as a direct FS7/C300mk2) @US$8K + Varicam LT kit @US$25K, without needing to worry about any substantial overlap between the three of them.
And as Panasonic has been gaining a lot of attention with the GH4 (and hopefully even more with the GH5!!), they're gaining lots of new users, especially people new ish to filmmaking in general, so you want a very clear path for them to follow as they grow up and improve and expand out.
At the moment a young professional starting out with a GH4 today is most likely to get a Sony FS7 / RED Raven / URSA Mini 4.6K next, instead of a Panasonic camera. Having a cheaper Varicam LT helps a bit from what it used to be before, but the jump is still too large from GH4 to Varicam LT!! There needs to be at least one (or two!) steeping stones between the GH4 and the Varicam LT. Otherwise you will leak customers as they move up in price point. -
Just get a focal reducer and Tokina 11-20mm f2.8
Sorted. Not that hard at all :-)
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6 hours ago, mos said:
We need Cropmarks, badly!! Or the function to upload custom Cropmark-Images. Please anybody who visits Panasonic Reps in this time before the GH5 release, help us get rid of duct-taping our display. It's so 2008. Cropmarks, anamorphic desqueeze, punch-in focus zoom during recording, sound during 96fps. I will visit Photokina myself and try to get hold of influencing Panasonic Reps, but we need a lot of people. Been writing mails and tweets and posts for the past 2 years.
Indeed, asking for 2.35 and 1.85 aspect ratio crop lines on 16:9 is such a simple and basic request they could have EASILY included even all the way back to GH1 days. But they haven't yet.
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If 10bit 4K internal comes in the GH5 (as we are now expecting) then Panasonic has won the game of camera wars for this round.
Panasonic was first mirrorless/DSLR with 10bit external before anybody else, now it looks like Panasonic will be first with 10bit internal before anyone else had even caught up and offered 10bit external aside from Panasonic!!
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I'd be much much more tempted by a BMMCC or secondhand BMPCC (I have one myself) than a 5Dmk2 for ML raw.
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41 minutes ago, David Bowgett said:
unless Nikon are just taking their sweet time incorporating the technology into their range.
Probably, product cycles can be quite long.
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2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
YAGH was a really bad decision. It should always have been in the form of a battery grip
Nah, I'd rather have it in the form factor of the Sony XLR-K2M to help keep it even more compact.
But if you have the choice of either battery grip size for audio or a XLR-K2M styled option, then that is cool too. -
Heh, mine has just been sitting on the shelf! I have so many better/easier cameras to use instead.
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22 minutes ago, sanveer said:
True. But with a Built-in ND, I am guessing it may be difficult getting a focal reducer in the space as well. It would have absolutely the same issues as the one caused by the link I posted.
Why? You can use a focal reducer with a Panasonic AF100 or Sony FS5 or Sony FS700 or Sony FS7, all of which also have built in ND filters.
And has ZERO of the issues I meantioned about the ND adapter you linked to.
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32 minutes ago, funkyou86 said:
the BM Video Assist alredy does 4:2:2 10bit to SD cards, why so surprised?
Wouldn't mind it if they start using XQD or CFast cards in the GH bodies. (but please not microP2!)
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7 hours ago, sanveer said:
There is already an adaptor like this that seems like a good idea, and could be used for almost any other 4/3 ILC:
But what if you want clear? Or wish to use native lenses?? Or use a focul reducer?
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6 hours ago, sanveer said:
Some of your wishlist seems like the things they need.
I think even if they have 8-bit 4-2-2 internal, at 200-300mbps, it should be sufficient. Also, a Seriously Improved (3 versions actually) of the VLog.
And an improved Yagh (with oomp) too is something they need to do. Maybe they can sell the ND Filter Adapter for their own and other M4/3 lenses. It will help deal with reducing minimum focus distance among other things.
422 without going to 10bit as well wouldn't be a huge gain, don't want to still be stuck with 8bit.
An internal ND filter adapter doesn't seem realistic. Needs to be built into the camera.
And XLR-K2M form factor would be much nicer than YAGH styling.
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30 minutes ago, Mattias Burling said:
I prepared a bit by buying an even older member of their top prosumer line. So yes, by tomorrow I own a Canon and therefore by forum law I will be a Fanboy-sheep-idiot-uneducated-noob. Basically anything accept someone who likes the camera, because the specs makes that impossible...
Don't worry, even I (self proclaimed "King of Canon Haters") own a Canon DSLR as well
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5 minutes ago, The Chris said:
10-bit internal and a ND/IBIS combo seem highly unlikely.
I'd be surprised if it does not have IBIS, after the GX80 has it. And Olympus is bringing a 4K IBIS camera.
5 minutes ago, The Chris said:4k60 and 240fps will have major heat issues, IMO those are unlikely as well. We'll see soon.
GH5 needs something that is cutting edge above all other competitors to keep it in the lead for the long cycle until the GH6 comes out. FHD 240fps probably wouldn't be it.... (even RX10/RX100 series has that). But 4K 60fps could do it!
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48 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:
I think the GH5 will have some great specs for video. Unlike the 5D mark IV, the GH line is Panasonic's flagship hybrid. The DVX200 is more in camcorder land. The next step up in video is the Varicam LT.
More info is coming soon:
http://www.43rumors.com/ft5-no-full-gh5-announcement-photokina/My thoughts is, please please please have this (in order of priority):
4K DCI 60fps 10bit 422 internal with no crop + IBIS + XLR-K2M style audio implementation (not add audio like the YAGH!!) + built in ND filter (if the RX10 can do it, why not a GH5?? Even better if variable ND filter like the FS5!!) + 240fps FHD + multi aspect ratio sensor (like the GH2).Do that and I'll sell my wife, soul, and first born to get one.
Do check out the XLR-K2M, is a nifty Sony product which can be put on their mirrorless cameras, or even point and shoots!
I see no reason at all why Panasonic couldn't bring this out if they considered it.
The Sony RX10 mk2 is priced way under US$2K, and has an ND filter. Even if they GH5 doesn't have the fancy FS5 ND filter and only has a basic RX10 type ND filter then I'd still be happy with that as a big improvement for the GH line up
As it looks like an AF200 is not coming, I think Panasonic really needs to bring their best A game with the GH5! And the GX9/G8 can be photography focused cameras, plus there is Olympus for MFT users.
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You're also gaining a much greater range! Good choice I think.
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2 hours ago, Cinegain said:
I'll start. So, Andrew, how does ShootingDCI.com sound to ya?
AnthingButEOS.com
Wonder if "BeyondHD.com" is taken.
1 hour ago, mercer said:is still a relevant image 8 years after the camera was released.
wow, true, 8yrs since 50D came out! And then a little while after the 5Dmk2
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1 hour ago, johnnymossville said:
any chance the GH5 will have 10bit internal or raw?
Hope so, but doubt it.
I think there is almost ZERO chance of internal raw.
Currently Panasonic GH4 is the only one doing external 10bit, so it isn't like they're being pushed to do more!
But it is the natural next step for the GH series to do (just like how the a7S mk1 to a7S mk2 went from external 4K to internal 4K) -
Brace yourself for more disappointment!
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13 minutes ago, silvertonesx24 said:
They are all guest posting to increase their own domain authority which also drowns out the real blogs like EOSHD.
Wouldn't be a bad thing if EOSHD had a few guest posts, it would also mean the main page gets updated more often.
And even if Andrew Reid was only writing a few short paragraphs, I'm sure most of us here would welcome a guest post from Andrew! I know I would on my humble little blog. -
Welcome, glad to see another D750 fan here! A friend of mine got one of these recently as his first DSLR. And I've got wedding photographer friends who use them too.
As a Nikon shooter myself (D50 => D90 => D5200 , chose the D5200 thanks to EOSHD!) I am tempted by the D750 indeed, especially as it has experienced a big price drop lately. (just need to save up that $$$$ 1st!) -
2 hours ago, OliKMIA said:
Since canon blocks ML on the latest 5D3 I'll be surprised if the Mark 4 doesn't come with an anti-ML "feature"
I thought that was just temporary?
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15 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:
The other blogs like NoFilmSchool, Cinema5D and NewsShooter spend 10's maybe even 100's of thousands of dollars trying to punt my homebrew EOSHD site into oblivion and I just find the whole thing utterly distasteful.
How do they spend money against you?!?!
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Was replying to a comment when I was shocked to get this error message.
GH5 10-bit 4:2:2 internal?
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Any GH series should be MFT sized otherwise piss off too many photographers etc
A mid range $7K ish to $10K ish should be S35 so can have a broad appeal.
But an FS5/C100 competitor at the up to $5K ish price point could perhaps have MFT mount and even MFT sized sensor, as can have plenty of cross over with GH and other MFT bodies in terms of its appeal and target market.
I am a bit uncertain if a swappable mount can have MFT as an option, wouldn't MFT be too thin?? As the base mount underneath needs a certain amount of thickness itself!
Ummmm.... the DVX200 that Andrew was referring to, is a different camera to the HVX200!
Totally agreed, Panasonic needs a camera in the midrange between mirrorless stills camera and a Varicam so people have a contious upgrade path to follow.
This is a very very VERY powerful feature!
For evidence of this you don't need to look far, just look at the many many ***MANY*** people who went:
Canon T2i => 60D => 5Dmk2/mk3/6D => C100 => C300
A truly rediculously large LARGE number of people followed this exact upgrade path! (or similar)
Canon must've made millions and millions from this upgrade path, which people followed as it is comfortable / easy / simple to do.
And sadly people like that, they don't want to spend dozens / hundreds of hours on forums like EOSHD to consider models from other brands, when they feel they've got a simple straightforward upgrade ahead of them already to take.
I think that might be a reference to the next camera.... which is the G80, that will have the same sensor as the GX85.
However the GH5 is a bit further off into the future, so harder to predict its sensor.
As for even if it does have the same sensor, will the crop be the same? Well that depends on more factors than just the sensor! It might be the sensor currently can handle it, but the processors with it can't. Thus they could upgrade the processing power but keep the old sensor, and be able to do 4K without a crop. Or the bottleneck might be the sensor itself after all..... we don't know.