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How do you make the BMPCC4K be a pocket camera?

By folding it up! 

9 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Its the pluralisation of wedding that concerns me most about that statement !

Be a bit of a waste of a BMPCC if I only ever used it on one wedding. 

12 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Or RAW to CFast card and ProRes to SD card both internally. I'd like that.

 Raw to the CFast and 720P ProRes Proxy files to the SD card for folks like me who have a totally useless PC to edit on with a proxy workflow. 

22 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I think the commonality of the sensor between the two will potentially make that less challenging.

The GH5 and BMPCC5K sensor are very different? It is the GH5S and BMPCC4K sensors which have a similarity. 

12 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

There is a lot of people on here that have got, or owned the original BMPCC. I had one myself and have kicked myself in the ass for ever selling it.You just have to have used one to appreciate how fabulous the output on them were, are. And this camera makes it look like a model T.

They are not made to run around like a chicken with your head cut off, they are a slow and steady as you go camera. They are mostly a tripod camera to get the best out of them, just like any Cine camera has to be for the most part. Sure there are rigs for them but they really were a pain in the butt to use. They have a look like no other camera under 5000 bucks or more. And this new one is even WAY better. Beating 10,000 dollar cameras.

(emphasis mine)

I've used the BMPCC almost naked while running around like a headless chicken at weddings. 

12 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I'm wondering if you can have a baked in LUT on the HDMI output whilst simultaneously recording RAW without one?

It offers some interesting possibilities if you can....

I'd assume/hope so, as that is just an extremely normal workflow for many MANY productions. 

Record raw/log for the best results, but apply a LUT on the image you sent to the client monitor so that they don't freak out! 

Agreed with him, internal NDs is the big feature missing from the BMPCC4K. 

15 hours ago, Robert Collins said:

2) The sensor is capable of 4k/120 although only in 10 bit (as opposed to 12) 

Ah, just like what the Z Cam E2 does!

23 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

I don't think they are mutually exclusive either.

Its more the GH5s that has the problem as far as I can see.

Prices of a used GH5 are currently dipping below £1.2k and will be further deflated by the time the Pocket 4K  actually arrives to be more or less a flat £1k.

If you add in the value of the full version of Resolve then that means you could have a GH5 AND the Pocket 4K with Resolve for pretty much the same price as the GH5s and Resolve.

In that scenario, where I could have the best of both worlds in terms of a highly featured and capable all rounder AND a cinema oriented one for the same total price (especially as they share a common lens system) then I'd really struggle to choose the GH5s over that.

A solid case is made for that. 

But the only downside I might see of that dual camera set up is GH5 & BMPCC4K might not match as easily for quick turn arounds as using two Panasonic cameras together in a two camera shoot. 

22 hours ago, Simon Young said:

I think we should think about the fact it’s supposed to be possible to load up custom LUTs on the camera, not only for monitoring but you’ll be able to bake them in. This is potentially huge for fast turnover shooting and something we’ve seen is detrimental to the image quality, which James Miller has shown with the GH5. 

Custom LUTs is a big thing I'm looking forward to about the BMPCC4K

20 hours ago, jonpais said:

None at the moment. Perhaps at launch or in a firmware update?

I thought it does? As the the URSA Mini has WFM, and they share the same underlying OS

18 hours ago, Anaconda_ said:

Am I wrong thinking the BM windows at 120fps, but not 100fps? If so, that's great for PAL land :D 

No windowing at 100fps is impressive

On 4/10/2018 at 6:22 PM, Mark Romero 2 said:

A Ha!!! Now you know how we sony a6500 owners felt when the GH5 came out...

In all seriousness, I might sell my Sonys and buy an GH5 and some MFT lenses and then pick up the BMPCC4K when it comes out in September.

Don't worry, you can look at the a6300 owners and think about how they felt when your a6500 came out! ;-)

23 hours ago, cantsin said:

Blackmagic has clearly stated at NAB that the 1080p mode is windowed.

But is that only when doing HFR? 

Can it be non-windowed in 1080 24p? I would assume so. 

 

23 hours ago, tyger11 said:

120p HFR is windowed, full sensor downsample to 1080p at 60p was also mentioned though.

Whoops, I spoke too soon. 

23 hours ago, JordanWright said:

Duel ISO's are 800 & 3200! No in camera NR.

No in camera NR is what makes it so impressive how clean it has been according to people who have seen it. 

 

23 hours ago, jonpais said:

Just to put things in perspective, BMD's net worth is $300 million, while Panasonic's is probably in the hundreds of billions of dollars. But no argument that BMD is a force to be reckoned with.

Does Grant Petty own 100% of BMD?

On 4/10/2018 at 6:16 PM, Emanuel said:

Still on topic... This is a Mark II product. From a well-known camera manufacturer and Resolve provider, amongst other goodies.

Far away to be any introductory technology based on crowdfunding. Well, unless we have to call the mainstream RED the same... ;-)

Exactly. 

And also because it is a Mark II product I expect it will ship with less teething issues than some past BMD products have had. 

On 4/10/2018 at 5:52 PM, sanveer said:

Btw I still didn't figure out why there is money flying around that biker in that scene with the camera. 

It is all the money they saved by buying a BMPCC4K!

5 minutes ago, anonim said:

Thanks for clarification As I wrote, and to repeat total nonsense  - it looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

 

I think just adding the word "flavor" in the front stretches the meaning of the word rather too far!

 

5 minutes ago, anonim said:

I mean, it is new flavor - BM so often redefine the game, so it looks like innovative (delaying) version: stop buyers to buy competitive products in expecting your and mobilizing eco system third part creators. If you like more nonsense - it looks to me as time-based crowdfunding (Because time is money... at least in one version of definition.)

Tonnes of companies do this!

This is a major source of leaks/rumors you see on websites, is companies strategically releasing some new info so as to keep buyers within the fold and not drifting off to a competitor's product. 

And is why they will at times talk officially too about products they have in development. For instance Zoom showing off the F8n might have stopped me wandering off to consider other recorders for my next purchase, instead waiting a few more months to see what happens with the F8n in July. 

On 4/10/2018 at 4:12 PM, Matt Kieley said:

Plus I'm sure the used prices for the first Pocket will go down low enough that there would be more to gain by just keeping it than selling.

I'll be very curious if come September if the Pocket and Micro Cinema secondhand prices will finally drop below US$500 (which is what the BMPCC used to sell for new!)

On 4/10/2018 at 5:52 PM, anonim said:

To me It looks like black magic flavor of crowdfunding...

Total nonsense. 

Crowdfunding is to get money in before manufacturing starts.

While BMD won't see a penny of this prior to them being sold to the dealers 

On 4/10/2018 at 2:47 PM, SR said:

If their reaction to the original Pocket is any indicator, I highly doubt it too.

I bet 2018 will pass by without any of the traditional companies putting raw video (or even raw video output) into any of their stills cameras.

On 4/10/2018 at 3:35 PM, jonpais said:

In the cinema5D interview, Grant Petty was making it out to be perfect for selfies. Not sure what’s up with that.

It did seem very strange to me to say that about a camera which doesn't have a screen that can face you!! :-/

On 4/10/2018 at 2:33 PM, webrunner5 said:

Has Anyone found out the sensor MP and the MP for the Photo mode? is the the 11, 12mp in the GH5s, or 20mm like in the GH5, or maybe 8mp stills like just using 4k etc. etc.

20mp is impossible, the sensor itself is not capable of that. You can expect instead very similar options to the GH5S in many ways. 

On 4/10/2018 at 2:34 PM, SR said:

Jesus Christ I didn't get enough sleep. And here I just wanted a better screen.

New to the micro43 sensor size here, but I'm planning on jumping in with a speedbooster and Sigma 18-35 (nikon or canon?), making it roughly a 23-45mm lens. Any suggestions for lenses that might pair beautifully with the camera for cinematic images?

Choose Nikon, cheaper and easier to adapt to other mounts. 

http://ironfilm.co.nz/rokinon-cine-lenses/

Good to hear another firmware update is coming for E1 owners, I wonder what it will be. 

I think you can still pay to enable 4K on the original FS700 as well if a person ends up buying that instead

haha! I doubt it. Plus you'd need the BMPCC4K to be able to record 8+ tracks at once itself. 

9 hours ago, flip21 said:

ok, but the BMP is much cheapper

Yup, but overall it probably will have less features/specs than the others. 

7 hours ago, Kisaha said:

I agree, but I also believe that the GH5/S caused a lot of discomfort to them already, the Pocket and the rest, are just the nails in the "coffin". Of course their large (huge) user bases (and lenses sold) give them some time to react, but the industry is pushing for innovation, and GH5 was the first - very important - modern release.

Why the GH5 in particular? I say Panasonic has been banging on their doors for a while now, such as the GH4 with the first ever internal 4K camera in that niche. 

6 hours ago, jonpais said:

One other factor to consider is the consolidation of the micro four thirds format, which has grown exponentially - and the Pocket can only serve to enhance its stature even more among indie filmmakers. And I would not be surprised to see PanLeica and Panasonic lens sales increase as a result. And there will always be those who don’t necessarily want to deal with 800Mbps files (or whatever - too lazy to look it up!), who require a flippy screen, IBIS, EVF, and so on. And as I’ve noted before, you’ve got to be an experienced colorist to work with RAW, from what I’ve heard. 

Full frame diehards will say MFT is going to go extinct in the future as FE gathers speed (and Canikon FF mirrorless arrive), but I'd say the evidence on the grounds says nothing is further from the truth. MFT is one of the most well supported standards there are! By a wide range of companies. 

http://ironfilm.co.nz/kinefinity-joins-micro-four-thirds/

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I’m almost starting to lose track of how many camera manufacturers there are now with cameras in the pipeline with a micro four thirds mount! (Panasonic, Olympus, Kodak, JVC, Blackmagic Design, apertus°, fps1000 and now…. Kinefinity too! And that is just the camera manufacturers, many many more accessories/lenses/etc manufacturers too)

As I’ve often said, m4/3 is the most robust and best camera system, as it has so much more support behind it than any other mount.

And since then only more have started to use MFT, such as DJI. 

25 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

I'm thinking about renting this camera one weekend. It's $280 per weekend around here.

EDIT: Nevermind it's the Terra 6K. Is it basically the same with larger resolution?

Different sensor design, has quite a few pros/cons vs Terra 4K. (arguably the Terra 6K is "better", but the Terra 4K is newer and I know people who owned a Terra 6K then sold it once the Terra 4K arrived)

Terra 6K is same sensor as in the KineMAX 6K, while Terra 4K is a totally new sensor for Kinefinity (probably the same one as in the GH5S?). 

1 hour ago, Django said:

true.. but you do need a shogun inferno for that bringing the price closer to +$6K

 

Much much much less if you're buying a FS700 secondhand for US$2K ish ish

He is from Holdan, thus "they" clearly refers to BMD. 

https://www.holdan.co.uk

18 hours ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

According to Grant during the livestream, the camera is actually done development wise. They just have to scope the manufacturing process. I still wouldn't hold my breath for a pre-September release, but I think BM has learned from their past not to be overly optimistic on delivery dates.

Seems strange that they're going to spend SIX MONTHS manufacturing cameras before shipping even the first one?!

16 hours ago, Turboguard said:

So in response to my previous question. I own only 3 lenses, all Nikon mount, Sigma Art 18-35 and 55-100 and 12mm Rokinon Cine DS. I assume the Sigma ones will work with an adapter as they’re 1.7x right? Any thoughts on the 12mm Rokinon? And using a speedbooster with non FF lenses would just be stupid right?

That is a great little starter selection! And yes, just use adapters to MFT and you'll be all good. 

I recommend one standard Nikon G to MFT, and also a focal reducers such as a RJ Lens Turbo

13 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

I've heard from one experienced dealer that he expects to see them before Sept. That date is intentionally conservative.

I never pre-order cameras. I pre-ordered this one.

That is what I'm expecting too, that the date was very conservative so even if unexpected delays pop up that BMD still has enough buffer left that they won't risk slipping past that date. 

13 hours ago, Luc said:

"You can even enter the slate information wirelessly via Bluetooth from an iPad using the Blackmagic Camera Control application!"

Ohhhhhhhh! Very very nice. 

I wonder if BMD could partner with MovieSlate  (basically the industry "standard" for tracking data with an iPad app) to share this info directly from the MovieSlate app to the BMD cameras. 

https://www.movie-slate.com

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/movieslate-8/id959690900?mt=8

18 hours ago, anonim said:

I have to say - and sorry, It has no anything especially with this quote - that now I really don't understand why GH5 evolves so much antagonism?

Even one glance at calendar will simply show that at the moment when  BMPCC 4k started distribution GH5 will probably be 2 years old camera...

Exactly, the GH5 is having a long run there sitting in the throne! 

18 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

We should perhaps lobby them to put a hole for a locking pin, its too annoying whenworking with Dslr and it is always twisting, and they do listen to customers.

This might be the best reasonable suggestion I've seen for the BMPCC4K since its announcement! Fair point. I do indeed hate how they twist around. 

18 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

Can't underestimate how lovely that 5" touchscreen looks. Although it's a bummer that it doesn't swivel, it totally crushes any other mirrorless or DSLR screen.

Shot a music event tonight with my original BMPCC, and oh man does that screen sometimes suck to get good focus/exposure with! 

The bigger screen (and higher resolution I assume, and better quality) would have been so nice! And if only it tilted.... as titling is so very very often useful, not just for vlogging with!

"they haven't used it in any previous camera" ("they" referring of course to BMD)
 

What interview are you referring to? Please share.