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2 hours ago, jonpais said:

Where did you see the pricing reported, may I ask? Link?

Nope, I got it wrong:
 

Was thinking of something else, sorry. 

That was the pricing I'd seen reported 

2 hours ago, sanveer said:

and therefore the lenses won't cost an arm and a leg. 

Errrr... they're over  hundred grand per set?

Do they throw in overheating for free?

Love to hear more about the production and pre production side of this, & what was the size of the crew you used? Any BTS? And your distribution plans?

Impressed it is just Element 3D with a teeny teeny bit of Blender 

7 hours ago, hansel said:

I am going to make a little carbon fibre visor to sheld of the vents from eating stuff it shouldn't. I wonder why they didn't put them at the exact place but on the bottom? Afraid I might get into a crazy freak accident being scalped, safety first boys ;D

That reminds me. I need a hair cut!

anyway, if you put anything above it be careful not to interfere with the airflow too much 

7 hours ago, mkabi said:

The real question is 4K too much for m4/3?

https://www.redsharknews.com/production/item/5258-top-end-cinema-cameras-it-s-all-becoming-clearer

After reading that article, I can deduce that Arri who is a leader in the industry didn't feel that true 4K on super35 was a good fit so they went LF....

It is more the case that Arri feels they only own ONE really really good sensor which is ready for production (I'm sure they working on others). Thus the easiest way to get true 4K from it is just to scale up the size of the sensor Itself 

Wait a year until they're worth half that then buy them!

7 hours ago, mkabi said:

Exactly!

I wasn't complaining, but I wasn't exactly defending either... I participated in the discussions as a third person observer...

And, all of a sudden... He comes in a says.... You get a weapon... You get a weapon.... You get a weapon..... Everyone that was on our side gets a weapon!!!!! (A la Oprah Winfrey-esque)

I was like fuckedity fuckfuck fuck! Why didn't I say shit? I could've got a weapon... Play around with it for 6 months.... Sold it and buy a Scarlet-W and still made a profit!

You had to at least have a Raven pre order however ?

6 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

 This whole "we're getting a Gen2 phone at Gen1" is silly. Wonder what they'll say with the next delay?

  "we're getting a Gen3 phone at Gen1" 

6 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

Then there's the group talking about how this is going to be their all-in-one stills/video system. SMH. Without seeing anything, no functioning hardware, no images, just a bunch of vaporware - many of which likely won't come to fruition over the next couple years when said phone will be obsolete or not selling in large enough numbers to be profitable. Its using standard phone camera modules, so its initial image won't be any better than any current high end phone. Everything beyond that will require pricey add-ons. 

Makes all the furious speculation and predictions about how good the BMPCC4K will be seem like a drop in an ocean. 

6 hours ago, Trek of Joy said:

Jim's "just being transparent" posts 

Hahaha

GH5 + Nikkors can't get much better than that in the low budget indie world. I'd just stick it out until the GH7 comes along 

6 hours ago, Don Kotlos said:

Yeah, even his conclusions are strange to say the least:

"The only way the Blackmagic Design Pocket Camera 4K can beat the GH5 is in terms of sheer image quality – dynamic range and color science." 

But really, aren't all the comparisons of cameras that haven't been even released rushed? 

 

I mean so rushed he can't even get the basics we already know right 

1 hour ago, webrunner5 said:

It would be a first for BM. They have Never used a sensor that some one else has used before for any camera they have that I know of.

Their 4K sensor...

& they use sensors typically from the open market. I think they wouldn't care 

1 hour ago, mkabi said:

There was may be 1 Red rep that was trying to provide answers and help calm the complainers, along with may be 5 or 6 people that was defending the brand and being loyal....

Within 2 to 3 weeks, Jarred Land came in and rewarded the 5 or 6 people with Weapon upgrades for free. All of a sudden, whether you were a Raven preorder or Scarlet-W preorder - those 5 to 6 people got Weapons instead. He became the Oprah of Cinema Cameras and people just shut up and started kissing ass.

WTF!!

1 hour ago, sanveer said:

This review is filled with strange errors from sensor size, to ports to everything else. The author was in a hurry to make a comparison and did not bother to actually check all the details

Wolfcrow makes a habit of this. Rushing to be first. Rushing to be first wrong that is!!

Ah HA! Found it! Was in this video:
 

Mid way through he starts talking about the helmets specifically, then a couple of minutes later he starts talking about the levels inside the helmet.

So yeah, that was just one example of the many little quirks you might deal with during a shoot which is different from the usual generic template approach you'll take on the other days and you need re-adjust for to come up with a new plan. 

15 minutes ago, fuzzynormal said:

Setting levels in the "risk" zone is okay by me. 

Yup, sometimes setting levels depends on your own person level of risk you're comfortable (do you mind blowing the peaks if the person shouts? Yeah, I'm willing to take the risk the person won't shout! It doesn't make sense for this shot) and also your knowledge (read: crystal ball gazing) of the shoot / person (is this someone who talks quieter or louder than normal?). 

Plus then there might be some other completely random other factors to consider, for instance last week I was working on a film shoot about a guy going to Mars and inside his helmet the sounds were much "louder" due to the confined space so I had to turn down the lav pack gain settings more than I would have normally for this actor. Just got to use your ears and react to what is happening around you.  Although in this case I already knew what was coming as a couple of years ago I'd watched the Matt Price interview with Mark Weingarten:

Hmmm... wasn't in that snippet! Thought it might be. Ah well, that tidbit of info I recalled on that shoot I learned from somewhere located inside this longer interview:

3 minutes ago, DBounce said:

Not the successor to the Pocket.

Oh there are always people who say "this isn't a true successor model".

Just like I recall some people saying the GH3 wasn't a proper replacement to the GH2. 
Or people who didn't think of the D750 as deserving of the D7x0 series name which the D700 had started. Or heck even people who thought the D500 wasn't a proper replacement for the D300!! (really???)

The only justified picky point about the BMPCC4K as to why it can't deserve to use the BMPCC's name as its replacement is its SIZE.  Because yeah, it is pretty bulk, certainly far from "pocket" size like the name says! But then again even the original BMPCC was "pocket" in name only for most people, as it was a fairly big stretch itself. So this is just nitpicking. (after all the URSA Mini was hardly "Mini" itself! But I don't mind "Mini" being in its name)

And the BMPCC4K is still clearly by far and by far the smallest of the current new generation of BMD cameras, and in that respect it deserves the name "Pocket". 

4 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Ursa Nano it is then

I am kinda hoping for an URSA Micro Pro, which is positioned between the BMPCC4K and the URSA Mini Pro. 

2 minutes ago, DBounce said:

What is surprising is that this camera is not being compared to the original pocket at all. 

Well the original is old news? And the differences are obvious. 

Bigger, bigger resolution, bigger screen, bigger frame rates, bigger battery life. 

Rolling shutter performance of a few cameras:

1 minute ago, DBounce said:

I am at a loss as to why without any actual footage from either of the other two models everyone seems so quick to throw Panasonic under the bus. Is there another manufacturer that listens to their customers more than Panasonic? I think you would be hard pressed to find one.

Blackmagic Design probably listens better to their users..... ? ;-)

But yes, I agree, the GH5/GH5S still hold a strong position in the market themselves. Even with the release of the BMPCC4K, whenever it starts shipping. 

2 minutes ago, DBounce said:

As for the cooling thing on the BMPCC4k, both the GH5S and Z-Cam forego the fan, so I am skeptical as to why the BMPCC4k needs this. Yes you could argue noise, but it might be due to inefficiency also.

Be interesting to see high ISO results, and if BMPCC4K has a performance edge here because of the fan. 

3 minutes ago, DBounce said:

I also recently heard about the fixed pattern noise on their 4k model. That also needs to be made right.

Wait... what? 

I thought I follow Kinefinity news along really closely (am an admin for the biggest group for Kinefinity after all), but I don't think I've heard of this before. Could  you please link to an example? Thanks. Otherwise I just shall remain skeptical about believing this. 

5 minutes ago, DBounce said:

This sensor is proving a real hit with filmakers. Not sure why people keep bringing up the GH5... it uses a different sensor. The GH5S is another animal. 

Probably people bring up the GH5 exactly because the sensor is different and thus has more unique points of difference vs the BMPCC4K (such as higher resolution stills + IBIS). 

Well didn't I already reply? The H4n is awful. 

It is like choosing to film video with a Nikon D90 in 2018, wellllll sure you could make pretty images with it still.  But why bother with the hassle when a D5200/GH2/NEX-5N/Z Cam E1/etc are all so dirt cheap they're practically free, or a Panasonic G85 / GH5 / BMPCC4K etc don't really don't cost that much more. You'll get better results, with less hassle. 

But if you really must stick with the H4n, then make sure your signal coming in is strong enough you don't need to lean heavily on the H4n's pre amps at all.

3 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

I am intrigued by the Hydrogen but I'm a bit like a dog chasing a car in that I'm not entirely sure what I'd do with it if I caught it.

Nailed it. 

If a person wants to experiment with novel new technology then go buy a 360VR camera instead. 

2 hours ago, Emanuel said:

And what about the sensor there?

MFT sized. 

1 hour ago, Anaconda_ said:

But if you start including optional extras in this list, then it's going to be endless. In that case the articulating screen isn't a plus just for the GH5S as the others can just use a monitor to achieve the same end.

None of the others have the tight integration the DMW-XLR1 has. 

Just now, Oliver Daniel said:

So I do this and the audio will be a nice volume but "hissssssssss"....

Because the H4n has the worst pre amps in the history of mankind (well ok, maybe not quite, but you get my gist).