Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0
Bruno

Sony RX100: Getting the best video out of it...

153 posts in this topic

Did you find a way to turn peaking on and off with a button, while keeping it in manual focus mode? That would be handy!
BydrodoFieddy likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
EOSHD Pro Color for Sony cameras

I wish that was possible, but I have never found a way to do that. I also wish we could somehow punch in zoom right before shooting a clip, but that is only possible on the other (non film) modes unfortunately.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm very satisfied with image quality for the camera it is. Make no mistakes though, this is not a 7D, this is a fragile little camera, if the lens decides to get stuck there's probably not much I'll be able to do about it on the spot, It'd be risky to use it even on a small production if have a team depending on it. The built in lens is great, especially at 28mm since it goes to 1.8, but more limited in longer focal lengths.

 

The dealing with menus also feels more fiddly than dealing with Canon menus, there are more confirmation screens, consumer level alerts, it's not as "mechanical" and direct as with a Canon, and the buttons are tiny, and pressing a button will most likely cause the camera to move...

 

Also, I never felt the sturdiness of a Canon 7D. I had no problem shooting under rain or snow with the 7D, I wouldn't even risk it with the RX100. There's also something about the Canon image quality that you just don't get, even if you get slightly more resolution with the RX100. 

 

But then again, these are all points that seemed obvious to me when I first got it, so no disappointment at all, it's an amazing pocket camera, and I'm thinking about shooting a small short with it, even considering all the risks.

 

Just the kind of feedback i was looking for - it is always great to hear real life experiences from someone who have used it mainly as a filmmaking tool. It does sound like a great little camera, despite its shortcomings. One can always hope for a faster lens at longer focal lenghts in the next version, but that update is proberly not just around the corner.   

 

Thx

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Another addition:

 

As far as I can see, DRO only affects shadows, not highlights. Try blowing out a shot then upping the DRO. You'll notice the highlights stay the same, but the shadows come up with each setting.

 

What I've seen with my eyes here is also borne out by DP-Review's test:

 

http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/sony-cybershot-dsc-rx100/11

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As far as I can see, DRO only affects shadows, not highlights. Try blowing out a shot then upping the DRO. You'll notice the highlights stay the same, but the shadows come up with each setting.

 

I actually noticed that, but their (vague) documentation seemed to say that it worked at both ends, thanks for clarifying!

jgharding likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah they tried to spin that one I think ;)

 

Still, with DRO and Portrait at minimum we have a very very flat profile, which is cool.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I still want to test a few more things, like color space for instance, most people seem to agree that adobeRGB will store more colors than sRGB, especially in compressed formats, it usually also works better for skin tones, but I still haven't gotten round to test that yet.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah I had read that, but I think he's talking mostly about ready to print images, and looking for the opposite of what we are looking for.

 

For instance:

 

"sRGB is the world standard for digital images, printing and the Internet. So long as you haven't screwed with anything, you and the world are shooting in sRGB."

 

We're not looking at getting vibrant realistic colors, we're looking for a flat image that will give us more to work with in post, or at least I am! :)

 

"Adobe RGB squeezes colors into a smaller range (makes them duller) before recording them to your file."

 

This is a disadvantage for him, but an advantage to us, as it will give us a flatter image using and probably cram more information into the compressed codec.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Ah I see what you're saying.

 

I figured it doesn't affect video though, just stills. Colour spaces in compressed video are usually Rec709 or Rec601.

 

So in Canon EOS original you have Rec601. oddly enough.

 

Since Sony RX100 video reads in Media Info as BluRay BD Video, I'm assuming the colour space is Rec709 Y,Cb,Cr, and unaffected by this sRGB/AdobeRGB 1998 setting.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

@ Bruno.

 

This is what Shane Hulbut said in relation to setting up a 5Dmk2 for video (not the same camera, but still informative): 

"Now we go down to Color Space.  You have two color spaces.  You have sRGB or you have Adobe RGB.  I’ve found that Adobe RGB gives you the best skin tones out of this camera."

 

Thought it was interesting that he recommended using Adobe RGB & not sRGB.

 

The whole set up is explained here:

http://www.hurlbutvisuals.com/blog/2012/07/hdslr-educational-series-for-cinema-episode-1-know-your-camera/

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I'm not sure about the RX100 as I haven't tested this yet, but on the Canons the color space does make a difference in video.

Oddly enough you can't change the color space in video mode though, you have to do it in stills mode, but it will change the video's color space too!

 

I had seen that Hurlbut post, no idea if AdobeRGB has the same effect on the RX100, but most people do say it gives you a flatter image and crams more color information into the same space.

 

Regarding Color clipping I think it's REC709 yes.

jgharding likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I am also interested in seeing a test showing if sRGB vs AdobeRGB makes a difference in video mode.

jgharding likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I really like the way this conversation is going.  nice deep boundary pushing of the use of what are considered by a lot of people as simply 'point and shoots'.  

 

vimeo.com/46037571

 

this is interesting.  putting the nex5n (which has the same list of options as the rx100 in terms of profile tweeking) against the 550d, gh2 and d800

jgharding likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It happened to be on my desk at the moment, so I've done a quick test. Stills from 1080/60p videos. I think they're as near as identical! Or if there is a difference I'm struggling to see it. Perhaps the reds seem a tiny bit darker/saturated in the Adobe ones, but I am looking for a difference, which can skew judgement. What do you think?

 

sRGB

SRGB_zpsb8890cab.png

 

Adobe 1998

ADOBE_zpsd9a164c0.png

 

EDIT:

 

Tried it with my hand for more complex tones. Pretty much the same again! (It's a slightly different angle hence the darker index finger, the greatest of all picture profiles: LIGHTING! ;) )

 

in sRGB:

2sRGBHAND_zps70b5fef9.png

 

in Adobe 1998:

2ADOBEHAND_zpsf772315a.png

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

It happened to be on my desk at the moment, so I've done a quick test. Stills from 1080/60p videos. I think they're as near as identical! Or if there is a difference I'm struggling to see it. Perhaps the reds seem a tiny bit darker/saturated in the Adobe ones, but I am looking for a difference, which can skew judgement. What do you think?

 

sRGB

SRGB_zpsb8890cab.png

 

Adobe 1998

ADOBE_zpsd9a164c0.png

 

EDIT:

 

Tried it with my hand for more complex tones. Pretty much the same again! (It's a slightly different angle hence the darker index finger, the greatest of all picture profiles: LIGHTING! ;) )

 

in sRGB:

2sRGBHAND_zps70b5fef9.png

 

in Adobe 1998:

2ADOBEHAND_zpsf772315a.png

adobeRGB looks less saturated/flatter from here.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah adobeRGB does seem to be slightly different (less saturated & flatter).

 

Looking at the reflection in the mug & looking through the bottle, it also seems to give the impression of producing slightly more detail.

 

But with the skin tones it appears to smooth out the blemishes, thus making it more uniform - but whether the detail comes back when you cc in post...?  

 

I could be wrong, but could using adobeRGB produce better detail in the shadows & less in the highlights?

 

gotta try this....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

I suppose the test will be the classic "can you make one look like the other". It looks like a contrast shift to me more than a hugely different look. Now these differences have been mentioned I can see a subtle difference. The sRGB looks marginally flatter...

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

If someone has a chart and an RX100 they could do a scientific test, I tend to do ones that look like the kind of thing I'll shoot! From that evidence here I think I'll stick with sRGB as the reds seems more squashed in Adobe. Looking at them as full 1080p (Photobucket downscaled them) there's even less difference. I'm thinking most of the change may have come from the Photobucket re-encoding.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Judging from these images I'd say the Color Space has no effect on the video mode :)

I put both images one on top of the other and I don't think there's any difference. There's a slight angle change which can make a big difference on reflective surfaces such as the mug, but overall I don't see any change in color at all, not the kind of difference you'd see between sRGB and AdobeRGB at least.

Might be worth shooting some stills too to see if the difference is more apparent, and then compare it to video footage of the same thing to find out which color space the camera is using on video mode.

jgharding likes this

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!


Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.


Sign In Now
Sign in to follow this  
Followers 0

  • Similar Content

    • Star Trek Transporter effect
      By TomazK
      Hi,

      I my last video i did a Star Trek transporter effect. It's pretty basic and i would like to create something like the transporter of the Franklin in Star Trek Beyond in my future videos.

      I would love to get feedback on my video quality and what would you add. Particulary the lighting is a area i need to work on.

      My video:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4QzdiSrFQU

      Franklin transporter:
      http://www.facebook.com/SaucetvAwesome/photos/a.1640382469598402.1073741830.1503065506663433/1640382479598401/?type=3&theater

      I know there are worlds between my transporter effect and the pro effect from Beyond, but i would like to be able to do it some day. Imagine all the techniques that go in a effect like this.
      I'm shooting on the GH4 whit the Panasonic Lumix G Leica DG Summilux 15mm f/1.7 ASPH Lens.
      Thanks for reading
      Tomaž
    • X-T2 HD Video strange deformation
      By Boris M
      Hi guys,
       
      A few weeks ago I bought an X-T2, mainly for stills but as a video tool too. Yesterday evening I was making my first real video test shooting : my son presenting a magic trick.
      Apart the poor choice of profile and the exposition aproximation (light was going down fast) a few of the clips shows some strange "flickering"  at the hedges of the picture  as you can see there, straight out from cam  :
       
      The majority of other clips are looking normal, there were shot with the same settings, except for focal lenght  minor apperture or Iso changes. Settings were FHD 25 P, Velvia profile with -2 in hi, low lights and sharpness (trst purposes), iso 200 to 320, 1/50s, F5.6. Good Transcend 600x SDXC card (never showing problem with lumix gh3). The X-T2 was in boost mode. The only thing that I can think of if that the battery (original np126s) was running low at this moment. I changed it a few time after, but before the camera shuted down. My other track is the OIS I forgot to turn off, I know that it 's sometimes bad when on a tripod but that bad ?
      I did not succed in reproducing the problem. Wich in a certain way is a bad thing as the reason is still unknown. For this shooting  its not a problem but it's not good for trust in gear you need to have for critical and pro aplications.
      It look like if the lens correction was going on and off... Have you experienced something similar ? What do you think of it ? I'm new to Fuji and I already know the limitations of X-T2 as a video tool  but I'm not new to video and never seen something like that.
       
      Thanks for your looks and thinks.
       
      Boris
    • On Lankan Tracks – A Short Travel film with Sony A7S II
      By Gregormannschaft
      Hey folks. Last year I travelled to Sri Lanka for four weeks, hopping about the place and pulling all kinds of strange poses in the name of having a totally not relaxing vacation. But it's what happens, I guess. I edited together all the footage I collected and I'd love to hear any kind of feedback you might have. In hindsight, I wish I'd collected more footage, but I hope that doesn't shine through too strongly.

      Edit wise, I dabbled a little with the fast zooms that have become so commonplace in this genre over the past few years but wanted to restrain myself so to not go too overboard. The Watchtower of Turkey style isn't really my thing, as much as I appreciate it, but I wanted to steal a little of that energy films like this can generate.

      Cam wise, I used my Sony A7SII, GFILM colour profile, Canon 24-105 and an old Zeiss Jena 35mm that I absolutely love. No rigs, no stabiliser.
    • N A I V E | R E E L 16
      By Naive Studio
      A collection of commercial & branded content over the last three years.
      A huge thank you to everyone involved and making this possible.
      naivestudio.co.uk
      Created by Naive - Jonathan Edwards Director / DP / Editor
      Filmed on the Sony A7SII
      Lenses: Zeiss Loxia 35mm f2 / 50mm f2 / Batis 85mm f1.8
      Rig: Movcam A7SII cage
      4K / 1920 x 1080 HD / 16:9 / 120fps / 24fps
    • HOMEWHERE: Location recording sessions
      By Ronnie Amighetti
      Me and a friend started a series on YouTube. It's called HOMEWHERE.
      See that we both come from the music world (I'm an audio engineer by day, my partner is a musician and a photographer) we decided to kick it off by asking friends to let us "invade" their homes and have some fun.
      Of course we've got a lot of things still to learn but so far we had a lot of fun which was the driving force behind all of this.
      Would like to get suggestions and whatnot. Thanks.