Nikon Zr is coming

[Danyyyel]

6 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Of course - the Komodo was designed to be a crash camera for big productions.  Red really didn't plan for having a bunch of people using it for A cameras.  It's always been an odd one out among their lineup.  Anyway, I'd also say that it's pretty impressive that the OG Komodo, a 5+ year old camera with a (supersized)

S35 global shutter sensor is coming up about even in those tests with a brand new FF camera with rolling shutter.
Though I'd also guess that outside of that sort of over/under test, the ZR will have better apparent/usable dynamic range than the OG Komodo and maybe even vs the Komodo-X which is noticeably better than the OG.  

I think that there is almost no doubt that the S1 II will win it. 😄

They are from the same sensor and if the ZR can achieve the same as the S1ii, then it would already be very very good (RED Raptor territory). The S1ii has the DR boost mode which showed 10 stops of latitude, that is Alexa LF level, but with 27ms, which is not great at all. 

[Jahleh]

11 hours ago, Danyyyel said:

They are from the same sensor and if the ZR can achieve the same as the S1ii, then it would already be very very good (RED Raptor territory). The S1ii has the DR boost mode which showed 10 stops of latitude, that is Alexa LF level, but with 27ms, which is not great at all. 

Very interesting to see Paule’s Zr vs S1ii comparison. In his Prores Raw in DaVinci Resolve video comments he said he was surprised that S1ii internal PRRaw had the same amount of sharpening and noise than H.265, which shouldn’t be the case. Could explain the 10 stop latitude.

Very close to pulling the trigger on Zr, but still in doubt if 4 inch screen is as good and convenient to use than Z6iii’s EVF, where you can correct your near sight vision. Don’t want to look the Zr display from meter away now, it would get quite uncomfortable fast🤣

[ND64]

At ISO 6400, ZR is way better than Komodo X, and equal to S1ii. With noise reduction, even ISO 25600 is useable. And thats what matters for the target market. They're mostly one man with no or very limited lighting equipment. Underexposing and lifting the shadows in post is not what they usually do. Its good to have lower noise floor, but you don't want to go much down there anyway. Because despite less noise, you're still dealing with poor SN ratio, due to shot noise, which is inevitable side effect of underexposure. That's why much of R&D money in CMOS sensor industry is directed to improvement in saturation level (more room for overexposure), and solve the noise problem with AI. 

[ND64]

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https://youtu.be/uXyWiPO7DoE

 

 

[Kino]

I like the colors and overall image of this camera, especially for the low price, but Nikon definitely sacrificed DR for a faster readout. This is from G. Undone's test:

10.9 usable stops in 6K R3D NE is not great for a modern cinema camera. NR will get you another stop, but it's not an ideal starting point. By comparison, the Komodo 6K scored 12.5 usable stops in 6K R3D and the Komodo-X was at 12.9 when tested by CineD.

CVP's latitude test was also fairly extensive as it tested both native ISOs:

The good news is that you don't lose much DR when switching into the higher base. The bad news is that, no matter which base you use, most of its competitors have an extra stop in the highlights:

As for under exposure, it is usable to under 3, but no more. It is RAW after all, so this poor result is understandable when compared with the Sony cameras.

 

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

Wait, so the very small $1,800 camera has compromises when compared with a series of larger $3,000ish cameras?

I think it's useful to understand the characteristics of the camera, but for me, the more useful comparisons would be to other small cameras in the <$2,000 price range - i.e. S9, X-M5, and even maybe EOS R6 II/S5 II (though they're a bit bulkier IIRC).

[Kino]

Well, I was responding to all the comparisons with those more expensive cameras. This is your own statement:

"Though I'd also guess that outside of that sort of over/under test, the ZR will have better apparent/usable dynamic range than the OG Komodo and maybe even vs the Komodo-X which is noticeably better than the OG."

Also, for future reference, these are the current prices for the ZR and Pyxis 6K on B&H:

 

 

 

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

That's true!  I did guess that.  Apparently my guess was off, as was my memory of the ZR price.  Thanks for the reminder/correction!  😅