ac6000cw Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 38 minutes ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said: Somebody mentioned that the EVF is new, a OLED one now - a good move, becasue almost everyone hated that field sequential one. But no confirmation until now. Compared to D-Lux 7/LX100 ii, it's got OLED EVF and higher res rear screen, plus USB-C charging. See https://m.dpreview.com/news/3471020867/leica-continues-compacts-with-d-lux-8-featuring-four-thirds-type-sensor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 hours ago, John Matthews said: I'm not playing this stupid game anymore and I value my time more. Yep, can't stand that stupid channel, but at the same time, no problem with him earning a living. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 hours ago, John Matthews said: I'm not playing this stupid game anymore and I value my time more. Yep, can't stand that stupid channel, but at the same time, no problem with him earning a living. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 3 hours ago, John Matthews said: I'm not playing this stupid game anymore and I value my time more. Yep, can't stand that stupid channel, but at the same time, no problem with him earning a living. SRV1981 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 1 Share Posted June 1 ^ 🤷♂️^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Andrew Reid Posted June 1 Administrators Share Posted June 1 9 hours ago, MrSMW said: no problem with him earning a living. I do Making money out of our suffering John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 7 hours ago, Andrew Reid said: I do Making money out of our suffering He’s just a rumor site spinning it out. I just choose not to click on his channel if it pops up and I think it may be one I clicked on YouTube to not recommend already as not seen him for a while. He’s not doing any real harm, just a bit of a twat. IronFilm, John Matthews and ac6000cw 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 Someone had a question about this and in fact, the S9 CAN shoot 1080p 60fps and 100fps in full-frame with PDAF. Others were also saying this but without any proof. This is proof. So, here are the updated feature list: Pros for S9 258g lighter Smaller body $300 cheaper than S5ii LUT mayhem if you're into that Cold shoe Can shoot 1080p up to 60fps and 100fps with PDAF in full-frame Pros for S5ii EVF Mechanical shutter Dual card slots Headphone jack True unlimited recording with a fan Way more buttons and customisation in the body Proxy recording 14bit Raw files Better grip Weather sealed body Hot shoe for flash photography and XLR adapter Full-sized HDMI Charging via USB-C while using the camera ac6000cw and IronFilm 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 1080p at 100fps in FF in a small package could be a real reason to get the S9. If only they'd come out with proper lenses at launch. Right now, your only real options are the Sigma 17mm f/4 (225g), 24mm f/3.5 (225g), 45mm f/2.8 (215g), and 90mm f/2.8 (295g). Arguably, those would be the best lenses for the S9 anyway because of the aperture ring. kye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac6000cw Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 2 hours ago, John Matthews said: Someone had a question about this and in fact, the S9 CAN shoot 1080p 60fps and 100fps in full-frame with PDAF. Others were also saying this but without any proof. Good news - something else I'd expect to be rolled out to the S5ii/iix in due course. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 2 Share Posted June 2 4 hours ago, John Matthews said: Sigma 17mm f/4 (225g), 24mm f/3.5 (225g), 45mm f/2.8 (215g), and 90mm f/2.8 (295g). If I was considering using an S9, it would be a pair of and one with the 45 and the other with the 90, both of which I have had and particularly impressed with the 90 which is pretty tiny really. I’d flip the 17 and 24 for the 20mm f2 which whilst a little bigger and heavier, kind of does both but can do it in low light which for me would seal the deal! But I am not going to so… The lack of a mech shutter was the swing vote for me in this one. Would have been great for my video needs, but I already have that covered so it was the photo side I looked at, but again, better served by my Niks. Personal camera, and for hybrid use, right now, I think yes I would go S9. If LUMIX ever bring out a purple one, I reckon that would sell out just because, you know, Gerald. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 8 hours ago, MrSMW said: If I was considering using an S9, it would be a pair of and one with the 45 and the other with the 90, both of which I have had and particularly impressed with the 90 which is pretty tiny really. I’d flip the 17 and 24 for the 20mm f2 which whilst a little bigger and heavier, kind of does both but can do it in low light which for me would seal the deal! But I am not going to so… The lack of a mech shutter was the swing vote for me in this one. Would have been great for my video needs, but I already have that covered so it was the photo side I looked at, but again, better served by my Niks. Personal camera, and for hybrid use, right now, I think yes I would go S9. If LUMIX ever bring out a purple one, I reckon that would sell out just because, you know, Gerald. Yeah, I imagine not having a proper shutter would be a big deal for weddings. There's also the lack of a shutter sound. I agree that the 45mm and 90mm would be the best first purchases. Also, one could wait for the 18-40 to fit the rest, maybe getting rid of the 45 and stick only with a two-lens setup. For this camera to have further reach, they really need a real 28mm and 40mm pancake. If they could get it as small as the 26mm, the whole system would be that much viable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davide DB Posted June 3 Author Share Posted June 3 Reading the news about June 5 and putting the whole S9 Gerald Undone Special Edition drama in perspective, I am left with the only real big curiosity: why they decided to introduce S9 at the last moment. What accident did they have? Because it is clear that they did not have a ready lens for the presentation. The 26mm/F8 pancake is a joke. Or was it all prepared? IronFilm and John Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 Well it was a close call for me John because despite initially dismissing this camera at launch, other than the lack of a mech shutter (not itself an issue, just in the instance of this camera) and despite my wish to move from 4 cameras to 3… But what it has going for it is that as someone already using an S1H and an S5ii for video, actually using two more dinky full frame S cameras with primes, would be a pretty good set up! Same batteries (as the S5ii anyway), ability to swap lenses and whole units around throughout the day etc… Yes, a huge draw…but upon further reflection, I prefer my current LUMIX video + Nikon stills approach. I think if I had not moved to Nikon for stills this year, then a pair of S9’s and some primes would have been on the cards. Several viable ways to skin this particular cat. Multiple options with multiple systems and has been for a few years now. Davide DB and John Matthews 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, Davide DB said: Or was it all prepared? I have my doubts that could have thrown that all together at the last minute. It would be giving them too much credit. However, there are some indicators of that- the use of stock photography for one, and the lack of a proper lens being the other. Still, they handed out a lot of cameras to people and I doubt they could have made a production run in that little time if the theory is a last minute change. 1 hour ago, MrSMW said: I think if I had not moved to Nikon for stills this year, then a pair of S9’s and some primes would have been on the cards. Yes, a 35mm and 85mm, each on a S9, for a wedding shoot would be a nice setup. You could also color-code them as to not get confused! IronFilm and Davide DB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, John Matthews said: I have my doubts that could have thrown that all together at the last minute. It would be giving them too much credit. However, there are some indicators of that- the use of stock photography for one, and the lack of a proper lens being the other. Still, they handed out a lot of cameras to people and I doubt they could have made a production run in that little time if the theory is a last minute change. If it was a last minute change then it must have been almost ready for launch anyway, which seems to fit considering they launched a camera basically without the lenses to go with it. So maybe the camera was ready and the lenses weren't (except for the F8 pancake) but it was the best option at the last minute. John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Matthews Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, MrSMW said: I think if I had not moved to Nikon for stills this year, then a pair of S9’s and some primes would have been on the cards. I forgot to say the one caveat for wedding photography: you're natural light only- no flash. I think for some that would be the biggest dealbreaker for this camera, along with the fact of no EVF. Still, they'd look cool on your suit. 1 hour ago, kye said: If it was a last minute change then it must have been almost ready for launch anyway, which seems to fit considering they launched a camera basically without the lenses to go with it. I still have a hard time believing that. I can believe the venue would have been chosen and a hotel reserved, but getting upwards of 100 YouTubers and partners to come to Japan seems rather daunting and I doubt they would have gone not knowing at least the category of product (consumer vs. pro, l mount vs. M43). That would be putting a lot of faith in Panasonic. Honestly, I think Panasonic expected some grace for that 26mm pancake, but what likely happened was a delay or a problem with the 18-40 rather than a hiccup in the actual camera or category of camera. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrSMW Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 1 hour ago, John Matthews said: I forgot to say the one caveat for wedding photography: you're natural light only- no flash. I think for some that would be the biggest dealbreaker for this camera, along with the fact of no EVF. Still, they'd look cool on your suit. Yep. Well natural and constant light anyway, just no flash, on or off camera as it is just one step too many for the one man band hybrid shooter. Been there done that, the resulting t shirt did not fit! No EVF does not bother me as I shoot rear screen 100% of the time. Bouncing between stills and video over an average 12 hour shoot is easier just off the screen. This however is one of my criticisms of the S5ii and not checked, but probably S9 and that is a rear LCD that is well under 2000 wotsit brightness things, whereas my Nikons are well over 2k. Makes a difference on bright days… 1 hour ago, John Matthews said: I still have a hard time believing that. I can believe the venue would have been chosen and a hotel reserved, but getting upwards of 100 YouTubers and partners to come to Japan Bit of a weird one isn’t it? Could they have gaffed or done a last minute turnaround, or did these folks also attend this other launch and have all been under clause not to release yet? Maybe and if the latter, we shall find out soon enough because at least a couple of dozen of them would almost certainly have been at any M4/3 or FF LUMIX launch. It’s all the other Sony or Canon or Fuji boys and girls that are/were a bit of an odd one on this… John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcio Kabke Pinheiro Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 On 6/1/2024 at 8:49 AM, ac6000cw said: Compared to D-Lux 7/LX100 ii, it's got OLED EVF and higher res rear screen, plus USB-C charging. See https://m.dpreview.com/news/3471020867/leica-continues-compacts-with-d-lux-8-featuring-four-thirds-type-sensor Yep, it is OLED, finally the field sequential one is gone. Never had problem with tearing, but with resolution and, specially, magnification - it was a 16:9 panel, in still modes is kinda small. But looks like that the new camera will be the GH7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kye Posted June 3 Share Posted June 3 4 hours ago, John Matthews said: I still have a hard time believing that. I can believe the venue would have been chosen and a hotel reserved, but getting upwards of 100 YouTubers and partners to come to Japan seems rather daunting and I doubt they would have gone not knowing at least the category of product (consumer vs. pro, l mount vs. M43). That would be putting a lot of faith in Panasonic. Honestly, I think Panasonic expected some grace for that 26mm pancake, but what likely happened was a delay or a problem with the 18-40 rather than a hiccup in the actual camera or category of camera. I've seen stranger things in the corporate world... Still, if you think they're all organised and rational, think about how well the camera offerings seem to match consumer requirements! 🙂 1 hour ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said: But looks like that the new camera will be the GH7. I'm hearing references to the Varicam, and that it might be high-end. At this point it could be anything! John Matthews 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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