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Why Gerald Undone is wrong about the Sigma Fp-L


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Yeah the diffused light you get with the Pro Mist filters really helps on digital to take the edge off.

I find the S1H, S5 have edge over A7S III so far for me in terms of image quality. Thicker files.

It is just a shame they put such a small EVF on the S5 it really ruins manual focus.

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After the S1H, nothing much compares for me!

The EVF is in another ball park obviously but the LCD quality is also significant, especially in brighter light.

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Omg, this must be the best article online regarding cameras and gear. The sigma FP & FP L are fantanstic, revolutionaty cameras AHEAD of their time. Unfortunetly, Gerald and people like him arent real artists or filmmakers; they will never know the worth of these innovations from companies like Sigma. What is really sad is that they come out and ruin the image of these fantastic brands/cameras just because they dont know sh** about filmmaking, just tech nerds.

 

thank you so much for this article, im enjoying my Sigma FP everyday, I have no regrets selling my A7III for that little beast !

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On 6/7/2021 at 7:20 PM, MrSMW said:

After the S1H, nothing much compares for me!

The EVF is in another ball park obviously but the LCD quality is also significant, especially in brighter light.

I find Panasonic are leading the entire field when it comes to actually seeing the image you are shooting.

The brightest and best screens.

The biggest EVFs.

(Well, apart from the S5)

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16 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

(Well, apart from the S5)

Don't tell anyone, but since getting my S1H, the S5 just doesn't compare in any area except maybe size and image quality.

Build, handling, controls, the way everything clicks, shutter sound (sublime), rear screen articulation (the best rear screen ever designed) & resolution, EVF and actually, I quite like the weight of the thing which is basically 1kg/2.2lbs and gives a good stable platform for handheld work.

And in regard to the whole size and weight thing, it's smaller and much lighter than my old Nikon D3S's, especially when you added in the 24-70 and 70-200 they went armed with...and then compared with the Sigma 35mm and 65mm f2's that are my new lenses of choice, no contest in the size & weight department.

The S5 is going to static longer form duty with the Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 for all video work and when not doing video work, it will be my stills 'special' such as sticking on the 20-60mm for the wide end or the 85mm for longer stuff, or if I really need it, the 24-105mm f4 in APSC crop mode for it's long end up to '160mm' reach.

Plus it is my other 'personal' camera. The Sony ZV1 is for family trips etc, but going say hiking in the mountains, the S5 with the 20-60 is the one.

I'm a fan of the entire L Mount system, but especially the S1H and Sigma glass.

I like the S5 but love the S1H and will be getting another as soon as the working/funds situation allows.

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Yeah the S5 is there really to compete with the Sony A7 III, offering better video quality for same price or lower.

The S1H is where the real interest is for me

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I know I sound like a fanboy, but for me/my needs, it is basically perfect other than the less than stellar tracking AF.

Maybe could be 10% smaller and lighter? The Leica SL2 is the closest to the perfect size & weight combo for me.

I would have rather it did not have big white LUMIX lettering on the front. I blacked it out on my S5 before the SL2-S came out 😉

But really, for my run & gun, as it is, straight out of the box, hybrid needs of high quality stills (raw) and at a flick of a switch, excellent SOOC 10 bit 4K 50p, there is nothing…nothing, else out there. 

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Yeah, the image quality is better than A7S III too.

OK, there's no 4K/120p (or 100fps for us in PAL land) but you can do a lot of creative stuff with 60p in 4K and 180fps in HD. 60p can easily be Twixtor'd.

I'd prefer if it looked a little more cinema camera and less Lumix but the ergonomics are superb.

Colour is better than Sony too.

For manual focus, tripod and handheld cinematic shooting there is nothing better for the price and size, I'd take it over Blackmagic's shit any day.

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Gerald’s review of the fp is based off his usage, which is a personal thing and since he’s influential, his personal tastes are passed on to the sheep of the earth. 

For my personal needs, this camera exceeds plenty! I had the chance to purchase a BMD12K, Komodo, a GFX100 and a FX9, but decided on a pair of Sigma cameras. A fp and fpL kitted out with some lenses from Irix and Dulens. I also paired them with two Atomos Ninja Vs. 

I really watch these YouTubers just to get perspective. I make up my mind by simply testing and knowing what fits the workflow I want to use. 

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3 hours ago, Alt Shoo said:

Gerald’s review of the fp is based off his usage, which is a personal thing and since he’s influential, his personal tastes are passed on to the sheep of the earth. 

For my personal needs, this camera exceeds plenty! I had the chance to purchase a BMD12K, Komodo, a GFX100 and a FX9, but decided on a pair of Sigma cameras. A fp and fpL kitted out with some lenses from Irix and Dulens. I also paired them with two Atomos Ninja Vs. 

I really watch these YouTubers just to get perspective. I make up my mind by simply testing and knowing what fits the workflow I want to use. 

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I really like your setups, especially with the smallrig side handle.

Have you felt the need to drop to 1.3x crop on your fp L to avoid the aliasing similar to 12bit cDNG? I usually shoot 10bit when I need the width (which still looks great) but the raw output being only 12bit I suppose you cannot do this. Gerald complains about the raw output softness of the fp L but it's a sensor speed limitation and not really Sigma's fault.

I'd recommend the original fp for strictly video, but I love my fp L.

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On 6/28/2021 at 10:53 AM, amweber21 said:

I really like your setups, especially with the smallrig side handle.

Have you felt the need to drop to 1.3x crop on your fp L to avoid the aliasing similar to 12bit cDNG? I usually shoot 10bit when I need the width (which still looks great) but the raw output being only 12bit I suppose you cannot do this. Gerald complains about the raw output softness of the fp L but it's a sensor speed limitation and not really Sigma's fault.

I'd recommend the original fp for strictly video, but I love my fp L.

Sorry for the delay. I didn’t receive a notification for this post. Regarding your questions, I haven’t noticed any aliasing with 12 bit at all. And with respect to all of the, for the lack of a better term, pixel peepers, those things really don’t concern me. I just ensure that I have the proper composition, exposure and focus. Whatever “artifacts” that are there doesn’t dampen my goal, which is to just create some lovely artwork. Now if I’m experiencing some heavy moire, for instance when I’m downscaling from 4k to HD, then yes I’ll be mindful. However as I mentioned, these “artifacts” don’t bother me. 

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3 hours ago, Alt Shoo said:

Sorry for the delay. I didn’t receive a notification for this post. Regarding your questions, I haven’t noticed any aliasing with 12 bit at all. And with respect to all of the, for the lack of a better term, pixel peepers, those things really don’t concern me. I just ensure that I have the proper composition, exposure and focus. Whatever “artifacts” that are there doesn’t dampen my goal, which is to just create some lovely artwork. Now if I’m experiencing some heavy moire, for instance when I’m downscaling from 4k to HD, then yes I’ll be mindful. However as I mentioned, these “artifacts” don’t bother me. 

Understood. Thanks for the answer, and, yes, it gives a beautiful image regardless of it's setting. I only notice when I'm doing specific technical testing with it, nothing in motion. I see something similar when shooting 1080p instead of UHD. Seems to be better to downscale in post if possible.

I guess my question is if it is capable of using the crop zoom function while kicking out a raw signal. I'm sure it is, but I haven't been able to confirm. Not only for the previous concern, but also because I like the ability it gives of "zooming" with primes.

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43 minutes ago, amweber21 said:

Understood. Thanks for the answer, and, yes, it gives a beautiful image regardless of it's setting. I only notice when I'm doing specific technical testing with it, nothing in motion. I see something similar when shooting 1080p instead of UHD. Seems to be better to downscale in post if possible.

I guess my question is if it is capable of using the crop zoom function while kicking out a raw signal. I'm sure it is, but I haven't been able to confirm. Not only for the previous concern, but also because I like the ability it gives of "zooming" with primes.

I’m quite sure it does. I will have to check today, when I’m sanitizing my gear. 

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