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25 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Hi everybody!

It´s been a long time since the last time i pass on this forum.

Now i wanna share my last work, a fashion/music film.

Shot with GH5 and using @Sage Alexa color for starting point in the grading. Using 2,21 aspect ratio. Mastered in 2.3k (2386x1080)

Hope anyone can enjoy it.

PS: Soon I'll share some stills for comparison. 

I'm pretty thrilled with that. Visual masterpiece*

There are so many amazing shots

*Btw, I showed all your shorts to my friend this past weekend

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43 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Hi everybody!

It´s been a long time since the last time i pass on this forum.

Now i wanna share my last work, a fashion/music film.

Shot with GH5 and using @Sage Alexa color for starting point in the grading. Using 2,21 aspect ratio. Mastered in 2.3k (2386x1080)

Hope anyone can enjoy it.

PS: Soon I'll share some stills for comparison. 

Wow... I'd call it "educational framing".  Bravo! 

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2 minutes ago, mercer said:

@Wild Ranger really nice work. You use the CineLikeD version, right? If so, then it’s nice to see how little work is needed from LogC to the finished grade. Very cool. 

Yes, I do prefer shooting in CinelikeD, it uses more of the bit depth and i honestly don´t see a difference on dynamic range to justify V-log. I like to convert it to LogC and the push it from there.

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1 hour ago, mercer said:

@Wild Ranger really nice work. You use the CineLikeD version, right? If so, then it’s nice to see how little work is needed from LogC to the finished grade. Very cool. 

The first stills are the ungraded Cine-D - here's a frame with LogC and also Main routes (no WB tweak):

Cine-D Original

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Cine-D to VLog + GHa LogC

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Cine-D to VLog + GHa Main

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Cine-D to VLog + GHa Main + Basic Luma Placement

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5 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Yes, I do prefer shooting in CinelikeD, it uses more of the bit depth and i honestly don´t see a difference on dynamic range to justify V-log. I like to convert it to LogC and the push it from there.

Honestly, I think what you guys are getting out of the GH5/s with Sage’s post profiles make the new P4K almost pointless. Other than Raw, I see little benefit in color or even with ProRes... but I assume ProRes may have some more wiggle room in post, but you lose IBIS and the anamorphic modes with the P4K.

Just now, Sage said:

The first stills are the ungraded Cine-D - here's a frame with Cine-D to VLog, then to LogC

Cine-D to VLog + GHa LogC

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Cine-D to VLog + GHa Main

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Cine-D to VLog + GHa Main + Basic Luma Placement

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Very nice. I may be the first to test your Alexa color conversion on an FZ2500. I really enjoyed that camera and the prices just keep dropping on it. With an external recorder, 10bit 4:22 1080p is possible. But even the in camera 8bit will hopefully be enough. So basically a S16mm Alexa in a point and shoot camera... sounds like a bunch of fun to me. 

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16 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Yes, I do prefer shooting in CinelikeD, it uses more of the bit depth and i honestly don´t see a difference on dynamic range to justify V-log. I like to convert it to LogC and the push it from there.

Yea, the DR is the same (the ISOs are just named one lower)

Do you use the Arri 709 Lut after LogC?

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4 minutes ago, mercer said:

Honestly, I think what you guys are getting out of the GH5/s with Sage’s post profiles make the new P4K almost pointless. Other than Raw, I see little benefit in color or even with ProRes... but I assume ProRes may have some more wiggle room in post, but you lose IBIS and the anamorphic modes with the P4K.

The black magic cameras still have the advantage of having a "Real" Log profile. These little cameras (gh5, sony a7, canon...) don't have good analog-to-digital converters in terms of video processing, so they don't end up getting all the potential of the sensor in their Log profiles. Take for example, A7III vs Sony FS5, in Slog FS5 gets more detail than the more newer a7III sensor.

That's where black magic did it well, and that's why their cameras are so power hungry. 

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8 minutes ago, mercer said:

Honestly, I think what you guys are getting out of the GH5/s with Sage’s post profiles make the new P4K almost pointless. Other than Raw, I see little benefit in color or even with ProRes... but I assume ProRes may have some more wiggle room in post, but you lose IBIS and the anamorphic modes with the P4K.

Very nice. I may be the first to test your Alexa color conversion on an FZ2500. I really enjoyed that camera and the prices just keep dropping on it. With an external recorder, 10bit 4:22 1080p is possible. But even the in camera 8bit will hopefully be enough. So basically a S16mm Alexa in a point and shoot camera... sounds like a bunch of fun to me. 

Alas, I'll have to find an FZ2500! hehe

I don't know how it will work (completely untested by me)

With the conversion, the P4K and GH5 will, oddly enough, look identical :)

@Wild Ranger Do you use All-I?

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Just now, Sage said:

Alas, I'll have to find an FZ2500! hehe

I don't know how it will work (completely untested by me)

With the conversion, the P4K and GH5 will, oddly enough, look identical :)

Sorry to keep mentioning my 5D3 and ML Raw in your thread, but I just love that camera and image way too much to invest in a GH5 right now, but I am so impressed with what you’ve accomplished here that I need to have a go at it and the FZ2500 seems like a great option to me. I know it’s untested but I’ll be a guinea pig. 

Yeah, I noticed little difference between your GHA color and the color in the “Models” video from the P4K. 

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29 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Yes, is much easier to work. Sometime I use film stock luts for LogC. it depends on the project.

You're certainly doing great things with it! 

With Verde, a bit of roughness was introduced to the Day rolloff; this will be fixed soon

4 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Nope!

Ah ok - the note you wrote about GH5 Vlog made me think this might be the case. All-I - its really great (full codec glory)!

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1 minute ago, Sage said:

With Verde, a bit of roughness was introduced was introduced to the Day rolloff; this will be fixed soon

In the scene with the room in all red lighting I notice the new version, Verde, was handling much better the red saturation that the previous version, so cheers for that!👏👏👏

 

1 hour ago, Wild Ranger said:

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58 minutes ago, mercer said:

Sorry to keep mentioning my 5D3 and ML Raw in your thread, but I just love that camera and image way too much to invest in a GH5 right now, but I am so impressed with what you’ve accomplished here that I need to have a go at it and the FZ2500 seems like a great option to me. I know it’s untested but I’ll be a guinea pig. 

Yeah, I noticed little difference between your GHA color and the color in the “Models” video from the P4K. 

With the Olpf settings, the texture rivals the Alexa (and this smoother style is a key quality of the 5D3 ML)

Of course, I would love to support the 5D3 eventually (they are rented out near me)

*On the identical note, that is that the P4K and GH5 both converted to LogC will be identical (assuming same settings and lens)

23 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

In the scene with the room in all red lighting I notice the new version, Verde, was handling much better the red saturation that the previous version, so cheers for that!👏👏👏

 

Oh yea - extreme red saturation is now correct with Verde (there was an artifact out there before)

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19 minutes ago, Wild Ranger said:

Here, I just tried this...

It´s graded using the "Main" lut. CineD-to-Vlog-to-GHa daylight "main".

 

I quite like Main - it was made to be an ideal 'grade space'

Smooth skin handling, filmic saturation envelope, and cinematic placement by default (just requiring black level). The core principle behind it was that all hues must remain identical in relative saturation and hue to LogC+709 (i.e. no color science change)

You've gotten to gold both ways though, bravo

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21 hours ago, Wild Ranger said:

Hi everybody!

It´s been a long time since the last time i pass on this forum.

Now i wanna share my last work, a fashion/music film.

Shot with GH5 and using @Sage Alexa color for starting point in the grading. Using 2,21 aspect ratio. Mastered in 2.3k (2386x1080)

Hope anyone can enjoy it.

PS: Soon I'll share some stills for comparison. 

@Wild Ranger what is the transition effect used between 2:30-2:48? Thanks! Mark

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4 hours ago, Wild Ranger said:

Hello!

Thanks for the comments, I really like you guys take the time to watch it.

Here I share some still, Pre-and-post color grade. The raw was shot on Cine-D and then converted to LogC. I didn't have the time to try the "Main" grade, maybe someone wanna give a try? 😉

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Actually, for me camera- and post- color manipulation goes totally to the second plan... it seems to me that you dispose with truly high level of object composing, subject positioning and colors-harmonization intuitiveness. Many used angles and tonal compositions are so nicely chosen  to provide brilliant accompaniment for according psychological aim... So, if it in general has a sense and if it is necessary at all, I encourage you to invest deeper in drama-shooting treatment, having great talent, feeling and eye, capable to - at favorable circumstances - result in something like, say, Enter the Void :) 

(Lets say I have some aesthetic background to dare to notice something like this :)

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