webrunner5 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 No, I have never been to Porto. You write Very good English. My Spanish sucks LoL. And I lived in Florida for 12 years. Lots of Mexican spoken there which I know is not the Royal Spanish they speak in Portugal. I had a Spanish language teacher that was from someplace in Portugal. He hated Mexican dialect LoL. We probably ought to talk to each other on the message section. Andrew will throw us off. And rightfully so. But I find this interesting as heck. I hope others do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emanuel Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, webrunner5 said: No, I have never been to Porto. You write Very good English. My Spanish sucks LoL. And I lived in Florida for 12 years. Lots of Mexican spoken there which I know is the the Royal Spanish they speak in Portugal. I had a Spanish language teacher that was from someplace in Portugal. He hated Mexican dialect LoL. Actually, not : ) We speak Portuguese which came from Galician-Portuguese: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galician-Portuguese https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portuguese_language Spanish speakers speak Castellano, Castilian, in English, IIRC (we are able to understand them but there are distinct words and they fight to understand us; easier to read, obviously): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_language Thanks for the compliments! I try my best, even though, English is a natural language in my work almost 100% of the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 11 hours ago, webrunner5 said: Why thank you. I know this is WAY off topic. But check out this video. What the hell do people in New York think about LoL. Jesus! Hell I am old also, that could have been ME. Well I am not as old as her, but hey. https://www.yahoo.com/tv/woman-head-gets-stuck-york-090649120.html I would have helped her, but I would have taken a 4K60p video first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webrunner5 Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 28 minutes ago, Ken Ross said: I would have helped her, but I would have taken a 4K60p video first. LMAO. Ken Ross 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 I haven't really been following this thread much, but I think I've come across a tip for reducing noise, at least it works at lower ISOs on my G85, perhaps it will also help when shooting at higher ISOs on the GH5. Any feedback is appreciated. First, I turn sharpening down in camera. That helps reduce the level of sharpening of noise artifacts as well, giving a nicer, finer grain. Next, expose to the right. Shooting this way with the G85, I'm surprised how much recoverable detail there is in the highlights and it appears to have more DR and less noise in the shadows when I pull the luminance down in post. My shots aren't muddy any more, and with proper grading, the blacks really pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 Jon, where do you have in-camera NR set? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuzzynormal Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 19 hours ago, webrunner5 said: is not the Royal Spanish they speak in Portugal. I had a Spanish language teacher that was from someplace in Portugal. Well, as mentioned, Portuguese is Portuguese and Spanish is Spanish. Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 2 hours ago, Ken Ross said: Jon, where do you have in-camera NR set? At -5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kidzrevil Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 6 hours ago, jonpais said: I haven't really been following this thread much, but I think I've come across a tip for reducing noise, at least it works at lower ISOs on my G85, perhaps it will also help when shooting at higher ISOs on the GH5. Any feedback is appreciated. First, I turn sharpening down in camera. That helps reduce the level of sharpening of noise artifacts as well, giving a nicer, finer grain. Next, expose to the right. Shooting this way with the G85, I'm surprised how much recoverable detail there is in the highlights and it appears to have more DR and less noise in the shadows when I pull the luminance down in post. My shots aren't muddy any more, and with proper grading, the blacks really pop. Is your sharpness set at -5 as well ? Mine is currently at -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 1 hour ago, kidzrevil said: Is your sharpness set at -5 as well ? Mine is currently at -3 I used to set it at -5, now I keep it at -3, it doesn't look over-sharpened at all, even with the PanLeica lenses. I'm really loving Cinelike D now, before I was afraid, because I knew I'd have to do some grading or throwing on a LUT, but I'm getting better skin tones every day, the more I get the hang of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Ross Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 9 hours ago, jonpais said: At -5. Are you finding there's a pay back at high ISOs? Personally I'm not finding the noise particularly objectionable. There's quite a fine grain structure to the noise on the GH5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 11, 2017 Share Posted April 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, Ken Ross said: Are you finding there's a pay back at high ISOs? Personally I'm not finding the noise particularly objectionable. There's quite a fine grain structure to the noise on the GH5. I seldom shoot higher than ISO 800 with the G85, the GH5 is going to behave quite differently. I hardly ever add sharpening in post, but here's a very interesting and sensible tutorial that I think everyone should watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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R2me24 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 Ok, I must be doing things all wrong. I did some ISO tests and at 1080 24p - ISO 200 was horrible and grainy, and progressively got worse as ISO increased. When shooting in 4K, it wasn't bad up to 800. Also, I noticed 1080 seems cropped vs 4k. (after uploading to Vimeo, noise doesn't look AS bad.) https://vimeo.com/213012841 https://vimeo.com/213010066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrad Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 3 hours ago, R2me24 said: Ok, I must be doing things all wrong. I did some ISO tests and at 1080 24p - ISO 200 was horrible and grainy, and progressively got worse as ISO increased. When shooting in 4K, it wasn't bad up to 800. Also, I noticed 1080 seems cropped vs 4k. (after uploading to Vimeo, noise doesn't look AS bad.) https://vimeo.com/213012841 https://vimeo.com/213010066 New camera in 'Noisy when severely underexposed' shocker! Even at 3200 you're not near a clean exposure, what did you expect? Even the Alexa produces a grainy image when you starve it of light. kidzrevil and jonpais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deezid Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Chrad said: New camera in 'Noisy when severely underexposed' shocker! Even at 3200 you're not near a clean exposure, what did you expect? Even the Alexa produces a grainy image when you starve it of light. Yh, agree. These kind of posts keep your eyes rolling... Emanuel 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesku Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 2 hours ago, Chrad said: Even at 3200 you're not near a clean exposure, what did you expect? Even the Alexa produces a grainy image when you starve it of light. It is a difficult dilemma. In low light is it better to get darker image with less noise (low iso) or brighter image with more noise (high iso). The light in sensor is the same but the iso changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrad Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 39 minutes ago, Vesku said: It is a difficult dilemma. In low light is it better to get darker image with less noise (low iso) or brighter image with more noise (high iso). The light in sensor is the same but the iso changes. The key is to test what level of underexposure you feel is acceptable on your subject at various ISO values. Sometimes it's better to go grainy and even or overexposed, even if you have to push to 3200 or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2me24 Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 I understand its under exposed. I shoot a lot of weddings and dont have control of my lighting. My point to this was that my footage doenst look like every other gh5 video Ive seen out there as far as noise is concerned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonpais Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 The best way to avoid noise is to ETTR and reduce in camera sharpening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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