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2 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Moreover, lot of these "reviewers" (dozens of thousands of YT followers won't impede my commas there) and detractors with a business agenda with other brand(s), they simply forget hybrid focus modes or certain features such as touch to focus (actually, an AF mode too) only in order to make their point.

This is sad when people start to cancel their orders based on BS or uncomplete information which has become mere misinformation in the meantime, as matter of fact, because of that.

not sure I'm understanding your point. that having a few thousand followers makes your videos less credible? or that Max has an agenda? or you think Max is so dumb he doesn't realize there are other focus modes? or are you saying Max is supplying us with BS and incomplete information? sorry, Emanuel, I just don't buy it.

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22 minutes ago, jonpais said:

not sure I'm understanding your point. that having a few thousand followers makes your videos less credible? or that Max has an agenda? or you think Max is so dumb he doesn't realize there are other focus modes? or are you saying Max is supplying us with BS and incomplete information? sorry, Emanuel, I just don't buy it.

I did a small edit in my post only to point out I don't necessarily think this "reviewer" has an agenda, as follows his disclaimer in one of his messages BTW. Lots of interests command internet marketing, though. That's for sure! He is one of many others.

Even though, his first test was pretty incomplete and very distracted. This 2nd one as a reply to the lack of depth of the other one, has 30 minutes, so another ballpark. But, yes, he has forgotten to test a more complete approach using a more capable full technique any experienced shooter will use. Not by definition mandatory manual focus, as a lot of other users usually infer as dichotomy to AF. There are other AF modes such as tap to focus he simply didn't talk about. Or the way we can lock AF up just in order to prevent hunting, as for instance.

All this is part of the labor and these AF tests drive me nuts for their bewildering simplicity. I don't have anything against thousands of YT followers and they surely don't bother me at all, on the contrary, they led me to demand more from their input being one of them.

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16 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

I did a small edit in my post only to point out I don't necessarily think this "reviewer" has an agenda, as follows his disclaimer in one of his messages BTW. Lots of interests command internet marketing, though. That's for sure! He is one of many others.

Even though, his first test was pretty incomplete and very distracted. This 2nd one as a reply to the lack of depth of the other one, has 30 minutes, so another ballpark. But, yes, he has forgotten to test a more complete approach using a more capable full technique any experienced shooter will use. Not by definition mandatory manual focus, as a lot of other users usually infer as dichotomy to AF. There are other AF modes such as tap to focus he simply didn't talk about. Or the way we can lock AF up just in order to prevent hunting, as for instance.

All this is part of the labor and these AF tests drive me nuts for their bewildering simplicity. I don't have anything against thousands of YT followers and they surely don't bother me at all, on the contrary, they led me to demand more from their input being one of them.

Here is what Max has to say at the conclusion of his video after ten hours of testing with different lenses, different menu settings and different lighting and conditions (all inspired by feedback from his viewers, I might add):

I do really really want to emphasize the fact that this is not a bad camera.…The autofocus doesn’t work well, but it’s still a great camera. I’m gonna get a lot of people who are gonna say that I’m hating on this camera, I want to put it down, I’m paid by Sony or Fuji or anybody else… but that’s not the case. This is still a great camera… A camera doesn’t have to have great autofocusing to be a great camera. You look at some of the professional cameras like lthe Ursa Mini Pro that we have coming in tomorrow, that doesn’t even have autofocus…

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@Emanuel "Lots of interests command internet marketing, though. That's for sure! He is one of many others." 

Not exactly sure what you're implying here either. dichotomy to AF? Sorry, you lost me completely. If Max was solely interested in making a fast buck, he would have praised the Olympus OMD E-M1 Mk Ii to the skies; and you'd think he'd be doing the same with the GH5 - just think, he could get as much as a few percent from every order placed through Amazon or B&H -but he doesn't do that. 

Also, he is testing continuous AF - he's already tested tap to focus in previous videos as far as I recall, or if he hasn't he certainly will.

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Yes, I've just read that and something else. I don't contest his honesty. Either his naivety ; )

Well, I recall when I was at film school, I remember one instructor (if not some others) to make fun because of our YT age where the standards shall be tremendously low as internet in general actually is. That is, the democratization of knowledge would bring some oddities as to establish some "authorities" as rookies in disguise. Just some pioneers to have found the "magic formula" on new media supplied by new technologies in a new world.

I regret to see their words were pretty accurate indeed. The Warhol's 15 minutes of fame don't inevitably mean quality on the outcome checked. Mediocrity rules over our heads, unfortunately.

I don't object their effort, just the quality of the massive support these "reviewers" have on a basis of an uninformed audience of thousands when not millions. They could bring some credibility, oh great, of course. My beef is with the poorly dandy results they offer to my eyes. I don't perforce this reviewer, perhaps the review per se. I speak in general. I'd love to see an Adam Wilt or Barry Green (well known Panasonic shill BTW) only because I know their technical standard is likely much higher and reliable, once they put their name in the front of the fullness of their testing. That was the pattern ten years ago. Today, we are under the pop YT domain. A pity.

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1 minute ago, Emanuel said:

Yes, I've just read that and something else. I don't contest his honesty. Either his naivety ; )

Well, I recall when I was at film school, I remember one instructor (if not some others) to make fun because of our YT age where the standards shall be tremendously low as internet in general actually is. That is, the democratization of knowledge would bring some oddities as to establish some "authorities" as rookies in disguise. Just some pioneers to have found the "magic formula" on new media supplied by new technologies in a new world.

I regret to see their words were pretty accurate indeed. The Warhol's 15 minutes of fame don't inevitably mean quality on the outcome checked. Mediocrity rules over our heads, unfortunately.

I don't object their effort, just the quality of the massive support these "reviewers" have on a basis of an uninformed audience of thousands when not millions. They could bring some credibility, oh great, of course. My beef is with the poorly dandy results they offer to my eyes. I don't perforce this reviewer, perhaps the review per se. I speak in general. I'd love to see an Adam Wilt or Barry Green (well known Panasonic shill BTW) only because I know their technical standard is likely much higher and reliable, once they put their name in the front of the fullness of their testing. That was the pattern ten years ago. Today, we are under the pop YT domain. A pity.

Actually, there is quite a bit of high quality YT content if you know where to look.

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5 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Sure, there is. But the rules over YT views have sunk reviewers and, by consequence, reviews of quality IMO.

And the Ad Boycott in particular (not for gear reviews, but a source of major concern). Another reason I've started to become a Patreon supporter of several channels, and I encourage everyone else to do the same as well.

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1 minute ago, jonpais said:

And the Ad Boycott in particular.

The ad tightening by YouTube has turned into a blessing for me. I am now concentrating on stock 4k footage and loving how I don't need to consider any context or justification for any clip - I can concentrate purely on getting the best possible shot of any subject that comes to mind without having to weave it into any story.

One sale a year will equal the ad revenue off 50,000 YouTube views.

I'm off out to get some more clips as type, knowing that the four clips I shot (EOSHD Pro Color), trimmed and lightly graded (Color Finale) are better than anything in its subject class on the stock sites I have viewed. But then I did wait 90 minutes for a lynx to get into a decent composition and yawn. :)

 

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13 minutes ago, Davey said:

The ad tightening by YouTube has turned into a blessing for me. I am now concentrating on stock 4k footage and loving how I don't need to consider any context or justification for any clip - I can concentrate purely on getting the best possible shot of any subject that comes to mind without having to weave it into any story.

One sale a year will equal the ad revenue off 50,000 YouTube views.

I'm off out to get some more clips as type, knowing that the four clips I shot (EOSHD Pro Color), trimmed and lightly graded (Color Finale) are better than anything in its subject class on the stock sites I have viewed. But then I did wait 90 minutes for a lynx to get into a decent composition and yawn. :)

 

The Ad Boycott I was referring to is threatening several independent news providers (not owned by corporate media) that I rely on, so not so great.

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Yet on YT and speaking of gear reviewers, for example, I appreciate to pay attention to the Dugdale's reviews. Amongst a few others, I want to believe. Where's Philip's (Bloom) review (not exactly from YT) as for instance? Why not as before?

Therefore, such quotes of mine as BS and so on. Maybe 'honest BS' if I am able to call it so LOL but (more on the territoire of lacking something) shit happens to my eyes, unfortunately.

Even among us, people discuss the topics with much interesting trade of humble information we had the chance to gather along our modest experience. And some of the posts still praise not so well much informed perspectives at times. It's life, I guess so. To each his/her own, though. It's sad to read misinformation, well, 'often honest', but still lacking depth lots of times.

That's just my two cents of rant : )

AF the motto. The dichotomy AF/MF puzzles me. There's no soccer/chess match. Filmmaking is a difficult and lucky combination impossible to make it happen without hard work, know-how and a good portion of every part and intense/obsessive perfectionism... There's no free lunch!

 

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I have two more questions about using the GH5:

- I have been getting pretty underwhelming results when it comes to the IBIS. For normal shots it is fine, but I can't seem to really do 'walking shots' without the edges of the screen warping all over the place. Now the funny part is, this was worse at 18mm than at 35mm. You would expect to opposite.
Could this maybe be caused by the fact that I'm pushing my Sigma 18-35 to it's limits on the wide end by using a Speed Booster XL 0.64x?

- I have also noticed that the stabilizer uses up a lot of battery juice. I think the battery life is almost cut in half when it's turned on all the time. Is there a way to connect bigger batteries, such as the Sony NP-F970 to the GH5 for instance by using it's USB-C connector?
I wouldn't really want to buy the battery grip as my setup is already heavy enough as it is.

Thanks guys.

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5 minutes ago, Stab said:

(...) by the fact that I'm pushing my Sigma 18-35 to it's limits on the wide end by using a Speed Booster XL 0.64x?

What about vignetting? Don't you notice it?

IBIS is more designed for welcoming steady shots than for 'walking shots' where a gimbal stands.

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7 minutes ago, jonpais said:

The Ad Boycott I was referring to is affecting several independent news providers (not owned by corporate media) that I rely on, so not so great.

Oh right. We can't be having alternative news ruining MSM fairytales. I never knew until several of my videos were de-monetised that even natural disasters are off limits.

Give it time and all will be white fluffy clouds and babies.

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1 minute ago, Davey said:

Oh right. We can't be having alternative news ruining MSM fairytales. I never knew until several of my videos were de-monetised that even natural disasters are off limits.

Give it time and all will be white fluffy clouds and babies.

Which is why it's so important to support those who bring us content that we rely on every day.

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56 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

What about vignetting? Don't you notice it?

IBIS is more designed for welcoming steady shots than for 'walking shots' where a gimbal stands.

There is slight vignetting going on at 18mm, but since I always add black bars in post they aren't a problem for me.

I understand that IBIS is no gimbal replacement, but I have seen better results in other people's shots which were also shot with non-supported lenses. Also, the fact that it's better at 35mm than at 18mm surprises me.

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35 minutes ago, Davey said:

Regarding Max's latest GH5 video, I won't have time to watch it until tonight but will say that he has a history of integrity as a reviewer.

Sure, not even doubt it. Regardless bias can always happen even when we don't notice it with ourselves ; ) I just don't buy (to use an expression by jonpais : ) the new "gurus" made by YT, as explained.

5 minutes ago, Stab said:

There is slight vignetting going on at 18mm, but since I always add black bars in post they aren't a problem for me.

Not even at the edges (not corners) of the frame? Any softness then?

7 minutes ago, Stab said:

I understand that IBIS is no gimbal replacement, but I have seen better results in other people's shots which were also shot with non-supported lenses. Also, the fact that it's better at 35mm than at 18mm surprises me.

I think you've already answered to your fair doubt on your previous post.

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13 minutes ago, Stab said:

There is slight vignetting going on at 18mm, but since I always add black bars in post they aren't a problem for me.

I understand that IBIS is no gimbal replacement, but I have seen better results in other people's shots which were also shot with non-supported lenses. Also, the fact that it's better at 35mm than at 18mm surprises me.

If it's vignetting at 18mm, that's a clue that it's not working optimally. I'm guessing it'll be fine if and when Metabones issues a firmware update. 

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1 hour ago, Stab said:

I have two more questions about using the GH5:

- I have been getting pretty underwhelming results when it comes to the IBIS. For normal shots it is fine, but I can't seem to really do 'walking shots' without the edges of the screen warping all over the place. Now the funny part is, this was worse at 18mm than at 35mm. You would expect to opposite.
Could this maybe be caused by the fact that I'm pushing my Sigma 18-35 to it's limits on the wide end by using a Speed Booster XL 0.64x?

- I have also noticed that the stabilizer uses up a lot of battery juice. I think the battery life is almost cut in half when it's turned on all the time. Is there a way to connect bigger batteries, such as the Sony NP-F970 to the GH5 for instance by using it's USB-C connector?
I wouldn't really want to buy the battery grip as my setup is already heavy enough as it is.

Thanks guys.

Are your Sigma and XL Canon or Nikon mount? If Nikon, what values are you entering in the camera for focal length? Remember that you need to enter the effective focal length of the lens and booster together.

Even with the correct value, though, you can't expect IBIS to absorb walking motions. Not even big expensive gimbals or Steadicam can do that. Which is why steadi/gimbal operators have to learn the "duck walk".

The GH5's USB port doesn't support external charging/power. You would have to use a dummy battery. A big old NP-F battery is going to weigh nearly as much as the battery grip anyways, might as well do the grip and then you can hot-swap batteries.

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