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4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

He’s not doing any harm, but as above, is just regurgitating rumor, not inside info.

True. He does at least present the info in a nice format, sometimes I enjoy watching his channel versus reading the rumor sites. That being said, I get why it’s a little annoying that it’s not original content. 

12 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

I've got a old FZ1000, an 8-year camera, and its eye tracking is better than my X-S10. Not exactly for video (1st gen DFD), but the detection is much better - get the central face and keeps with it. And if you move the focus zone, prioritizes the closest face.  Just like it should be.

I'm telling you the FZ1000 is an underrated low-budget camcorder killer!  Only the micro HDMI is a shame.

5 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Why not?

As long as any potential purchaser has a reasonable history… It’s any offers from someone who does not where you need to be wary!

True, I guess I was just thinking about Andrew’s whole thing with not selling your gear on the forum without his permission unless you are a long-standing member. 

56 minutes ago, MurtlandPhoto said:

Upfront quote, quick, easy, & insured, but less $$$: MPB or KEH

Slower quote, easy, & insured, less $$$: Adorama

More work, more money: Facebook groups, Fredmiranda.com

Ebay is a dice roll. You get the most exposure so things will probably sell quickly, but the fees often diminish your profits. Plus, there is always risk of fraud and other bullcrap there.

Good point.  So eBay fees are pretty intense I presume!

Note:

I AM NOT TRYING TO SELL MY GEAR ON THIS FORUM, THIS THREAD IS PURELY FOR ADVICE

I’m leaning toward selling my camera setup as I want something to record internal 10 bit. May end up getting the glorious Panasonic S1 or ponying up a bit more cash for an FX30. Anyways I don’t want to sell on Adorama, B&H or MBP because I won’t get as much money as I could. I also want to get my gear sold fast. How easy and reliable is eBay for selling gear?  Is Facebook Marketplace preferable?  What is the best route for maximizing profits?

43 minutes ago, BenEricson said:

That looks like the Digital IS. Looks pretty similar to the result of applying warp stablizer to shaky footage shot with a 1/48 shutter.

Agreed.  If you want to rely on Digital IS, the best option is to shoot with a high shutterspeed to avoid motion blur.  Of course that won't work well for indoor footage, and if you want motion blur still you will need to apply it in post.  Davinci Resolve Studio and RSMB both can give you decent post-motion blur, and I've heard RSMB is essentially the best out there in this regard.

1 hour ago, deezid said:

Hoping for an update to the GH6 for that 🙂
Thankfully the GH5 II also barely has any NR, so the image won't be as mushy as on the GH5s or A7sIII/FX3.

Wow with the low NR and zero-sharpening the GH5 II is shaping up to be an organic beast!  The thing is cheap on the used market too!

I saw a used copy at Adorama for $79 and almost jumped on it. It’s rated “good” though which is one of the lower conditions. 

1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:

That's what I have been thinking. But then again, saved some money.:) The 14mm F2.8 is S35 though afaik. The one I was using was nothing to write home about. Mushy below F8 and not close to resolving 4k at any f-stop. Maybe my sample was a baddy. Now that Zeiss ZF 15mm is a tasty one or ZE for EF lovers of eletric contacts, ZF is hundred percent mechanical. Beautiful super wide angle gem.

Actually the 14mm is full frame!  The 12mm F2 is the one that is crop sensor. 

1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:

None of the above interests me fortunately, so I can save my money! 🙂

I remember some of the Walimex / Samyand deals a few months ago, like each lens costing from 150 to 250 EUR! That was a fantastic deal for sure!

For sure I should have acted on those stupid cheap Samyang lenses. The 14mm 2.8 was like $130!  And it’s a full frame lens too!!!

This is hilarious. I intended this to be about how the C100/C300 codec holds up in 2022. We are talking about something SO DIFFERENT now

4 hours ago, kye said:

You have proven my point - they're huge cameras!!

The C100 is tiny....  for a cinema camera...  but it's not tiny...  as a camera.

If someone says "what cameras would you say are tiny?" your answer is much more likely to include GoPro or GX85 or maybe a 360 camera, but you'd be crazy to say "the C100!".

The context of the conversation is Nikon Z6 - and the C100 isn't remotely tiny in that context.

For me the context is moreso the Nikon Z6 with an Atomos Ninja Star bolted to the hotshoe

41 minutes ago, mercer said:

In some ways it does, but like @BTM_Pix has said, it also feels like a true successor to the original Pocket camera as well, but yes I used a similar workflow in post as I use with the 5D, so there is definitely a familiarity.

But I will say that the those extra bits of color info really helps the ML Raw image. It looks a bit thicker to me.

Needless to say, I still have some tests to do.

True there is something very unique with 14 bit RAW. So much depth to the image. 

40 minutes ago, mercer said:

After months... years of lusting over the Sigma FP, I finally found one at a price I felt comfortable with. Other than a few, short-lived, camera purchases, I haven't bought a camera, that I use regularly, in 5 and a half years... I still have a BMMCC, I bought nearly 3 years ago, sitting in a box on my shelf that I only used once to test the rig.

The FP arrived a couple days after I purchased it (big hat-tip to Used Photo Pro) and although I knew the measurements and saw plenty of photos of the camera, I was still really surprised by how tiny it is. It really isn't much bigger than a deck of cards. but out of the box, it also isn't very ergonomic, so I picked up a grip for it, and it now feels like an extension of my hand.

While I awaited its arrival, I researched lens adapter, SD cards and external drives and settled on a few that could arrive in time for the weekend. When Saturday came, I had two lens adapters (Minolta MD and Nikon F), an Angelbird 128gb card and a 1TB Sandisk Extreme SSD. I instantly chuckled at the sizes of the adapters and SSD compared to the camera and thought.... this is so dumb... why am I going to attach this huge SSD to this tiny camera ( FYI - the SSD is quite small actually but in comparison...) but I still packed it in my camera bag and found an extra L-bracket I had laying around so I could spit and glue something that resembled anything usable for my first, and possibly only, test of the FP... As some of you may know, I have been quite happy with my current camera and have felt a very little need, or want, to upgrade my camera.

When Saturday rolled around, I had my camera packed, I asked some questions to a fellow EOSHD member, and I was ready to test this miniature cinema camera. It was a gorgeous day for mid-November, so me and a friend drove to a familiar spot down the shore to see what this little thing could do.

Due to my distaste for external monitors, and tentacles of cords, my first intention was to shoot internally to the SD card, so I wanted to test the 8bit cDNG files, hoping they'd be good enough for B&W delivery or a quick downscale to 1080p. In fact, on my drive down, I convinced myself that I wasn't even going to test the external drive.

Since we got off to a late start, we quickly hit the boardwalk for some quick tests. After formatting the card and turning on the camera, I was a little shocked to see that a 128gb card, that cost more in dollars than its GB storage, only provided 10 minutes of footage. Now I already knew this, but seeing the ticking clock made me really slow down and think about what I was going to shoot. My main camera has been a 5D Mark III with Magic Lantern Raw, so I'm used to a lot of storage, but CF cards cost a bit less and provide a bit more footage than what the Sigma FP was offering...

Anyway, I walked around and took a handful of shots. With the camera strapped to my neck and Minolta 35mm 1.8 lens locked and loaded, I instantly enjoyed shooting with the FP. I had a few minutes to set the camera up the day before, so every function I needed was in a logical place for my brain and fingers...

So... the FP is a lot of fun to shoot with.

In fact, I am used to people looking at me, or stopping, when I shoot with my 5D, but the FP seemed impervious to the passersby as they went along their unseasonably warm, Saturday afternoon stroll down the busy boardwalk.

After a half hour, or so, and a trip to the bathroom (I drink a lot of coffee) we headed back to the car to hit the next spot. When we arrived, I decided to change lenses before we headed down a coastal trail. After a few shots with the Nikkor 28mm f/2 lens in 4K 8bit, I decided to give the 1080p a test. Other than an occasional slow motion shot, I'm not too interested in the 1080p from the FP... I already have a perfectly capable full frame, 1080p raw camera... but I was here and the card's storage was getting smaller and smaller... so why not? When I switched to 1080p, I gave a sigh of relief when I saw that the available storage nearly tripled. So we continued down the trail and I took a few shots...

One thing I noticed while shooting with the FP, at this point, was that although the LCD is sharp and bright, the footage didn't have any kind of discernible look. Perhaps it's the small size, or using the OFF picture profile for viewing, but with my 5D, you can really see the magic of the footage while shooting it. The Sigma did not have that. So the process didn't feel as fulfilling as it is when I shoot ML Raw with my 5D3.

But I carried on... until we quickly realized that we were surrounded by mosquitoes. I don't know if we were near a nest, or what, but we were surrounded by a swarm of these buzzing, blood sucking monsters. Apparently, nature forgot to tell them that it's mid-November in the Mid-Atlantic. Needless to say, we retreated back to the car. There was still enough daylight to hit one more spot, so we drove a couple miles down the road to the next spot.

As I was driving, I decided that I may as well test out the external drive and 12bit 4K raw. I was already here. So when we stopped, I quickly jury rigged the SSD to the L-Bracket with a zip tie and headed to the beach. With the sun in tis final descent, I decided to test out the Dual-ISO function of the FP... which is one of the reasons I've been so intrigued by the camera. I intend to shoot horror/thriller type of stuff, so the one downfall of my 5D is chroma noise in lowlight. I can push the camera to 1600 ISO, but it can get ugly very quick and you really need to push your blacks into oblivion to rid the footage of that the blocky, patch rainbow goo.

With my jury rigged SSD and the Minolta lens back on the FP, I turned on the camera and was surprised to see that it automatically changed itself to 4K 12ibit via the SSD and I was really happy to see that I had near an hour of possible footage... way more minutes of footage than daylight to shoot. But that's okay, I had ISO on my side...

TOO MUCH ISO... so I'm glad I tossed my VND into my pocket. After a few awkward screws, I was ready to see what 4K raw footage is...

Well... other than the awkward rig... the IQ in the LCD looked instantly better... but what was more surprising was how clean an image can look at 3200 ISO...

So as the sun set on the horizon, I hit record... over... and over again...

Sorry for the long post... but fast forward a couple hours and I was home. My girlfriend was taking a nap, so I quietly grabbed my laptop and uploaded the footage...

I won't bore you any further with my post details... hell... I'm still trying to figure them out, but I did manage to get a few shots in 4K raw that I didn't hate. Here are a few samples from my first outing with the FP... hopefully they don't suck too bad...

 

Awesome man. I feel this is truly the first successors to the 5d Mark III with ML 14 bit RAW

27 minutes ago, j_one said:

Sorry to bump this old old, but I have the opportunity to pick up the original 4.6k for around $1300, perhaps even less if I negotiate. Need you guys help! I was dead set on picking up a used pocket 6K or even used pcoket G2 for around the same price, but for my work I'd benefit from SDI connections and client perception of the "professional" form factor. Working on a budget.

I don't mind forgoing the added benefits the Pro G1/G2 bring. I've tried the ursa mini G2 as well as the pocket 6k pro on set and came to the conclusion that I'd still rather use my own IRNDs of choice as they would perform better with IR pollution more consistently than the included NDs in those models.

My question is, with everything stated in this thread so far, is it just not worth dealing with the quality control issues, even if I plan to upgrade past it within the next few months? Even for this price? I'm tired of renting for the time being; need something in-house for a massive push of original content to get my company up and going (mostly corporate/commercial with some narrative film work in the mix).

Admittedly I feel as though I should save for something in the sub $2.5-$3k territory. A dream would be to get the EVA-1 used, but I'm content with building with the 6k or 4.6k models until I can afford the likes of a C70/Fx6 in-house.

I come from loving budget cameras that produce meaty CDNG files (original bmpcc, 5D magic lantern etc) so if I was a hobbyist I'd buy just call it a day with the Sigma FP. Operation features like autofocus and the like aren't as desired, but I'm looking for a balance between bang-for-buck image and client-level operation...hope that makes sense?

I'm considered other options, like the fs700/fs5 with recorder too. Not a fan of the C200 image.

Thanks guys!

FS5 isn’t a bad option for 1080p use because it’s 10 bit 422, might be oversampled too. Formfactor gets weird if you use an Atomos recorder for the 4k CDNG or Prores RAW

15 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

Give it a try.:) In theory the bitrate would be the greatest asset imo. I don't know if the signal out of the C100s Hdmi is of superiour quality though. There is a test on vimeo. The C100ii does not offer SD btw if I remember right.

True. Still though, if we assume I get this super high bitrate then I wonder if 8 bit will be a big issue given the lovely canon colors and CLOG’s magical 8 bit handling. 

17 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

C100 MKII is tiny if you use it barebones. Fun camera to use, great image, codec for grading is much weaker than the 8bit 4k 100mbit flavour from Panasonic in the Lumix GX85 or G7, dynamic range is better though. A GX85 with CLog would be perfect or a C100II with a 50Mbit codec.:)

What about a C100II with an Atomos ninja star for 220mbps prores?  Still 8 bit though but you do gain 422

13 minutes ago, TomTheDP said:

Resolution and dynamic range are lacking compared to the Nikon Z6 as well as low light performance. 

They give a nice image if the lighting is decent. Canon colors rock. 

True though I shoot oversampled 1080p anyways with the Z6 to the Atomos ninja star. So if anything resolution should be comparable. And is dynamic range at least decent in CLOG1?  Like decently better than Nikon FLAT?  I know NLOG is worlds Bette than Nikon FLAT, and I feel CLOG1 might have a solid highlight rolloff too?

A used canon c100 II or c300 could be a dream camera for me. They are so cheap, built in ND filters, downsampled 1080p. How does the CLOG image hold up?  If I went fro my Nikon Z6 10 bit NLOG to say the C300’s 8 bit 50mbps image, would I lose much you think?  Or if I got the c100 mark II and paired it with my Atomos ninja star to record 8 bit 4:2:2 prores in clog1?

6 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

Yes, its universal for all Panasonic cameras.

FZ1000 already has Cinelike D though so its of less use.

Funnily enough, the HDMI port on my FZ1000 is also fucked. 

That Micro HDMI life

53 minutes ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Unearthing an old topic, because I have a very cheap (US$ 280,00, with a defective HDMI port - looks like only a broken soldering - and a little lens dust) FZ1000 on the way.

Music festival / venues are becoming more strict here and started to ban all ILC cameras, hence I needed a fixed lens one.

@BTM_Pix, do you remember how your FZ1000 worked with your html commands?

The FZ1000 is cheaply made but otherwise a solid poor-man's HQ camcorder setup.  My church uses two plus a Panasonic G7 and a PTZ camera for a live-stream setup.  Gives us great zoom flexibility with a 1 inch sensor, very nice shallow DOF on the long end if you are in the 300-400mm equiv. range.  HDMI out does work, yes it's fragile (we've broken the ports before and needed to get them fixed) and it shuts off when recording (so I've heard, we never record internally) but otherwise the HDMI output fully works, cameras don't shut off and you can output 720p, 1080p, 4k or oversampled 1080p with decent control over framerate.  Except for FHD you only get 24p or 60p output, for 30p the camera still outputs 60p.  But in OBS you can just drop every other frame and get right back to 60p.  720p has the lowest latency so for live broadcast usage it actually can be a useful mode.

At this point I’m going to need to shoot some more footage first..

2 hours ago, Alexis Fontana said:

Yes TIFF. No Luts 

Ok gotcha. The lut is just a basic rec709 conversion lut, doesn’t put a stylized grade on it. I made it in Resolve using the CST node and an exposure compensation. But yeah I can send you some TIFFS

No?