MrSMW

Emanuel = part Confucious, part early AI bot.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about...but at the same time, appreciate your efforts!

28mm f2 with 44mp sensor min for me.
If it’s anything like 24mp it’s an instant no for me. It HAS to have good crop ability.
To be honest, I don’t think even 61mp works for me based on what the Q3 can do with it’s crop modes.
Fujis imminent fixed lens might be 100mp and then we are talking.
’Walk with your feet” is the line folks trot out, but that is not always possible.
As has been said various times, cameras will continue to leapfrog each other and LUMIX cannot afford to bring out something that is not going to beat the X100 and Q3 it would inevitably be compared to.
And they need to get their naming strategy right this time.
Ladies & gentlemen, I present to you the LUMIX S Warship 1

Yep, warships in cameras is a bit overkill.
But being serious, this sounds very much to me like S1H not coming any time soon and this next supposed camera announcement in April is more likely to be for a fixed lens unit?

Emanuel = part Confucious, part early AI bot.
I literally have no idea what you are talking about...but at the same time, appreciate your efforts!

If I was a betting man…
But again, seriously, it never ceases to amaze me how totally thick even some multi-billion businesses appear to be.
I said ‘appear to be’ as in maybe they are not, but if they appear to be, to most people, most of the time, that cannot be a good thing.
Any press releases, any statements or even comments, should always be vetted and considered.
If you are a big Japanese company and let’s say 75% of your market is not Japan, but ‘Western as in North America and Europe’, then have someone ‘Western’ at least read your translated statements so it doesn’t include mention of warships because if it contains mentions of warships, it makes you realise that the vast majority of the text has also probably been badly translated and could be interpreted the complete opposite of what you intended.
Some companies just seem to be better at this kind of thing than others…

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They can.
They just need to be a little more vocal about their product line such as:
“In early 2025 we will be releasing a successor to the S1R and then in the late Spring, a successor to the S1H”.
Press release. Bosh. Job done. Shuts the speculation down with a single sentence.
People respect integrity. At least the folks that count do. 
I’m not saying Panasonic LUMIX lack integrity, but a lot of these companies could kill a lot of the stupid shit that goes on by being a bit more informative and less Secret Fucking Squirrel.
In my humble opinion.

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Will these wives of ours be so understanding when they read over our shoulders about how in love with our new BF's we are?

I think they all are and you can make a case for or against any of them in this ballpark class whether it be an offering from Sony, Nikon, Canon or Lumix.
They each have strengths.
They each have weaknesses.
It is the system as a whole that counts for your specific needs, plus how invested (or not) you may be in any system already.
A clean sheet choice and purchase is MASSIVELY different to someone with multiple bodies and even more glass in a single system.
For most, it’s therefore not as simple as Camera Body A vs Camera Body B vs Camera Body C vs Camera Body D, because it’s a MUCH bigger picture than that.
In isolation, is the S1Rii a ‘perfect’ camera?
For some folks, it might just be.
Is it a ‘great’ camera?
Again for some it will be and with time, may be considered better than it seemed at launch (S9). Or not as good.
Is it better or worse than the competion?
It’s better in some areas and not as good in some others but no camera is going to be for everyone.
Is it a worthy successor to what came before?
Possibly… It’s an upgrade over the S5ii pretty much everywhere, but not by a huge amount, but by calling it an S1Rii, it is designated as a successor to the S1R.
Is it a worthy upgrade to the S1R?
I think that’s trickier to call…
On the whole, I think you’d have to say yes, but perhaps not as much as might be expected after 7 years and this point is one that I think is not helping it’s cause in Feb/March 2025.
I still think Panny’s fundamental mistake is not having a road map in principal as in one that we, the great unwashed, are privy to plus we were all expect the S1R mk2 to be a more photo-centric successor to the OG with the 61mp sensor, but it seems to be mostly being judged on it’s video spec.
My summary is I think it’s a decent thing as an isolated bit of kit, even better if you are already within the system, but overall the company continues to annoy.

Part of the fun of this place is deciphering Emanuel's posts 😉

Awesome post! Spot on! Fundamental overview regarding Panny cameras.  @Andrew Reid
Marketing and communication with the GH4 and GH5 was exellent. Matt Frazer was allowed to do the perfectly right thing. It was exiting to follow the news and to watch the footage. This forum was overflowing with high quality posts and discussions. The launch of the GH5s was already lacking. Their box cameras not sporting NDs is another underwhelming marketing decision. So close yet so far.
Their product palette is chaotic. No 10bit GX9 successor, akward releases like a G90, G100 or before that GF5, 7, 8. This was not helping sales nor Pannys reputation to say the least.
Is there any native L mount 28mm 2.8 pancake lens out there for full frame sensor coverage? 35, 50, 70, no? Bummer. I think there are some for apsc coverage. Another missed out opportunity, especially in combination with the S9.
I know i would have bought a S9 with mechanical shutter and evf and a 28 and 50mm pancake. I dislike taking photos without a mechanical shutter. M39 route for small affordable lenses with a short mount? I guess so. Fiddling around, being an adapter juggler can be fun.:)
S1RII is a nice camera and release with S5III being a better name. It's accompanied by lacklustre marketing and communication. The S1RIII looks good by itself. Pannys surrounding enviroment does not at the moment.
 

One other thought is that they (LUMIX) have not helped themselves with the naming strategy.
S1Rii sets certain expectations.
Why not simply name it something new such as S6?
It’s a modified S5ii more than anything and sits above, so S6 makes most sense to me.
 

One other thought is that they (LUMIX) have not helped themselves with the naming strategy.
S1Rii sets certain expectations.
Why not simply name it something new such as S6?
It’s a modified S5ii more than anything and sits above, so S6 makes most sense to me.
 

I think they all are and you can make a case for or against any of them in this ballpark class whether it be an offering from Sony, Nikon, Canon or Lumix.
They each have strengths.
They each have weaknesses.
It is the system as a whole that counts for your specific needs, plus how invested (or not) you may be in any system already.
A clean sheet choice and purchase is MASSIVELY different to someone with multiple bodies and even more glass in a single system.
For most, it’s therefore not as simple as Camera Body A vs Camera Body B vs Camera Body C vs Camera Body D, because it’s a MUCH bigger picture than that.
In isolation, is the S1Rii a ‘perfect’ camera?
For some folks, it might just be.
Is it a ‘great’ camera?
Again for some it will be and with time, may be considered better than it seemed at launch (S9). Or not as good.
Is it better or worse than the competion?
It’s better in some areas and not as good in some others but no camera is going to be for everyone.
Is it a worthy successor to what came before?
Possibly… It’s an upgrade over the S5ii pretty much everywhere, but not by a huge amount, but by calling it an S1Rii, it is designated as a successor to the S1R.
Is it a worthy upgrade to the S1R?
I think that’s trickier to call…
On the whole, I think you’d have to say yes, but perhaps not as much as might be expected after 7 years and this point is one that I think is not helping it’s cause in Feb/March 2025.
I still think Panny’s fundamental mistake is not having a road map in principal as in one that we, the great unwashed, are privy to plus we were all expect the S1R mk2 to be a more photo-centric successor to the OG with the 61mp sensor, but it seems to be mostly being judged on it’s video spec.
My summary is I think it’s a decent thing as an isolated bit of kit, even better if you are already within the system, but overall the company continues to annoy.

One other thought is that they (LUMIX) have not helped themselves with the naming strategy.
S1Rii sets certain expectations.
Why not simply name it something new such as S6?
It’s a modified S5ii more than anything and sits above, so S6 makes most sense to me.
 

They can.
They just need to be a little more vocal about their product line such as:
“In early 2025 we will be releasing a successor to the S1R and then in the late Spring, a successor to the S1H”.
Press release. Bosh. Job done. Shuts the speculation down with a single sentence.
People respect integrity. At least the folks that count do. 
I’m not saying Panasonic LUMIX lack integrity, but a lot of these companies could kill a lot of the stupid shit that goes on by being a bit more informative and less Secret Fucking Squirrel.
In my humble opinion.

They can.
They just need to be a little more vocal about their product line such as:
“In early 2025 we will be releasing a successor to the S1R and then in the late Spring, a successor to the S1H”.
Press release. Bosh. Job done. Shuts the speculation down with a single sentence.
People respect integrity. At least the folks that count do. 
I’m not saying Panasonic LUMIX lack integrity, but a lot of these companies could kill a lot of the stupid shit that goes on by being a bit more informative and less Secret Fucking Squirrel.
In my humble opinion.

It's actually quite tempting...
A pair of used 'like new' S1H's can be had on MPB for basically €3000.
Add an 18, 35, 50 and 85 f1.8's from LUMIX or 20, 35, 65 and 90 f2's from Sigma, and I'd be good to go.
I'd still need something longer, 70-200 equivalent, but could probably pick up a used older lens for that need.
Hmmm...
I'm talking primarily stills here, albeit with an option to go hybrid or even pure video if needed and this pair of S1H's in addition to the S9 and pair of S5ii's I already have.
All within budget trading what I already have from Sony, Tamron and Nikon.

They can.
They just need to be a little more vocal about their product line such as:
“In early 2025 we will be releasing a successor to the S1R and then in the late Spring, a successor to the S1H”.
Press release. Bosh. Job done. Shuts the speculation down with a single sentence.
People respect integrity. At least the folks that count do. 
I’m not saying Panasonic LUMIX lack integrity, but a lot of these companies could kill a lot of the stupid shit that goes on by being a bit more informative and less Secret Fucking Squirrel.
In my humble opinion.

Oh and why not S1R's?
Could be an option but whereas MPB have 10x S1H units, they have 0x S1R's.
They do as of today have 4x S1's, but I don't think I'd choose an S1 over an S1H...

It's actually quite tempting...
A pair of used 'like new' S1H's can be had on MPB for basically €3000.
Add an 18, 35, 50 and 85 f1.8's from LUMIX or 20, 35, 65 and 90 f2's from Sigma, and I'd be good to go.
I'd still need something longer, 70-200 equivalent, but could probably pick up a used older lens for that need.
Hmmm...
I'm talking primarily stills here, albeit with an option to go hybrid or even pure video if needed and this pair of S1H's in addition to the S9 and pair of S5ii's I already have.
All within budget trading what I already have from Sony, Tamron and Nikon.

Possibly, I don’t really know even coming to S5ii from S5 and S1H. And S1R.
I honestly haven’t noticed any real difference but then I haven’t especially been looking and changed my workflow/editing.
What I do know is that I am more than happy with what the S5ii produces. Specifically in 6k 30p open gate with my LUT burnt into vlog and using a 1/8th mist VND on my lenses.
I have had the very occasional weird lighting effects when shooting outdoor weddings in the evening when there are strings of lights, but otherwise not a single issue that I have ever noticed.
Moire, nope. Fringing, nope. RS, nope.
Other than perhaps 8k (which I personally do not want or need), I doubt if there is much if any real world difference shooting an S5ii or the new S5iiR…sorry, S1Rii.
Oh I am sure there are many pedantic types out there that can prove at the nano-microscopic level there is, but the fact that they don’t have a life is not my concern.

Possibly, I don’t really know even coming to S5ii from S5 and S1H. And S1R.
I honestly haven’t noticed any real difference but then I haven’t especially been looking and changed my workflow/editing.
What I do know is that I am more than happy with what the S5ii produces. Specifically in 6k 30p open gate with my LUT burnt into vlog and using a 1/8th mist VND on my lenses.
I have had the very occasional weird lighting effects when shooting outdoor weddings in the evening when there are strings of lights, but otherwise not a single issue that I have ever noticed.
Moire, nope. Fringing, nope. RS, nope.
Other than perhaps 8k (which I personally do not want or need), I doubt if there is much if any real world difference shooting an S5ii or the new S5iiR…sorry, S1Rii.
Oh I am sure there are many pedantic types out there that can prove at the nano-microscopic level there is, but the fact that they don’t have a life is not my concern.

I personally would not trade an S5ii for an S1Rii for any of those things.
I would however because I wanted or needed 8k. I personally don’t but it could be a reason to someone else.
The trade in on an S5ii is now less than 1k so the price to trade on a new S1Rii is around 2.5k. You’d have to REALLY want one to do that!
But for photographers, trading up from 24mp to 44mp might be a more valid reason.
Buying either from scratch, brand new, is a slightly different proposition but when you can get a ‘like new’ S5ii for approx 1.5k, 3.5k for the new boy makes zero sense to me.
Unless someone can convince themselves the upgraded bits and bobs are worth +2k to them.
2k is a whole chunk of glass options!