MrSMW

Bingo.
If you are a paid up member of the L Mount Alliance, then you use an S5ii for this specific task.
Otherwise the rest of this overheating hype is just that, over-excited hype.
OK I get the expectation that just because the S5ii or the FX3 can do X then the new Lumix cameras should, but actually maybe not and the S1Rii especially is a photo-centric hybrid that can do excellent video and even the S1ii is not really a ‘cinema’ camera but a hybrid.
Just use the right tool for the job!

If I understand correctly what you mean, I think so...
I have used stills previously, but not 'matching' stills.
What I am proposing going forward is ensuring my video and stills match perfectly in the grade and if frame grabs intended to be used as stills, identical to that exact frame in the video.
The primary intention and purpose is to cut back drastically on stills photo capture in the first place and therefore also editing time and move towards a more cohesive and less time intensive approach.
So currently I'll do a full capture, cull and edit etc on both photo and video.
Going forward, I'd like to capture even more video and reduce the stills capture back to just certain elements, mainly details and family groups.
Pics will be captured in raw + Jpeg 3:2 ratio with my LUT baked into the Jpegs (which is the same LUT I bake into my video footage in camera). I normally bin the Jpegs and use the raws, but I am proposing using the Jpegs and simply keeping the raws as backup just in case.
Edit the video timeline to the point where it's still in 3:2 open gate format and then pull the frame grabs for use specifically as stills, rather than to insert back into the video.
I can then go back into the timeline and put my more 'cinematic' 17:9, or 2:1 or whatever crop on it, and add all the twiddly bits that are video specific such as any text, transitions etc.
Et voila, a finished wedding film plus a set of stills that look like frames from a movie. As intended, ie, when someone says, "your photos look like frames from a movie", it will be because most of them are.
Anyway, I am going to give it a go as all last year, this year so far and the next 2 jobs, I've been shooting stills on the A7RV and Nikon Zf with 90% of the footage for my wedding films coming from the S9.
After these next 2 jobs are in the bag, the A7RV and Zf get replaced with a single S1Rii shooting 7.2k 30p clips and the S9 which was shooting video exclusively at 6k 30p, will be shooting a mix of some stills and some secondary video.
Pretty sure it will be a good set up based on the kit I have and some of the trials I have attempted, but as with all these things, it's only when you climb out of the trench and charge the enemy, with bullets flying, you truly know. Or you step on a landmine and it all goes tits up.
 

Not AI but this will significantly speed up the manual process and is a good all round productivity booster in general.

For this task (and you can have multiple presets for other tasks) I’d have the left and right inner buttons assigned to the Première Pro keyboard shortcuts for previous and next clip respectively, the centre button to play/pause, one of the outer ones for the export shortcut and the jog shuttle for the jog shuttle.
Workflow would be hit the button to move to next clip, play/pause button and jog/shuttle to locate and then export key to capture.
Rinse and repeat moving to the head of the next clip each time.
Nothing you couldn’t do with mangling your fingers to do the shortcuts but far, far more ergonomic for such a repetitive task.
As I say, they are just generally useful devices for everything editing related.
And not a bank balance drainer at £65 either.
Also, as it’s based on driving keyboard shortcuts it can move with you to different applications.
https://contour-design.co.uk/products/multimedia-controller-xpress

I just start a new timeline with the finished production as a single entity.
Or rather that is what I have been doing to date with the few attempts I have made.
I think what I will do now, for the rest of this year at least, is introduce a new chapter as it were in my process which is after culling, importing, colour grading, while the clips are all still 6k 30p on a 6k 30p timeline, but prior to any speed changes, transitions, graphics, text etc, is export a 3:2 6k copy and then pull the stills from that.
These will then match my same baked in LUT stills also in 3:2.
I can then import the results from both into Lightroom as a single set for any final grading and reexport as JPEGs.
The only thing I hoped to do other than this was have AI find, select and export 350-500 frames from clips for me…amd maybe that software exists and if it doesn’t it should as that will be one of those things worthy of the title ‘game changer’.
Kills or at least severely limits the photographer in me, but hey, choices…

Decision made, I am sticking with LUMIX regardless of what Nikon or Sony do next.
S1Rii inbound...
Here's my reasoning and intentions for those that are interested in such things!
Currently I am using:
S9 + 2x S5ii for my video work, plus a Sony A7RV and a Nikon Zf for stills.
That's 5 camera bodies plus 9 lenses spread over 3 systems with 3 different menus, batteries, handling/haptics etc.
In summary, it works, but not without issues.
I am switching to 4 camera bodies plus 7 lenses over 1 system.
I have 3 principal aims:
A: Reduce the amount of kit I have to work with and
B: Have it all within one single cross-compatible system.
C. Ability to pull 6k stills from video footage on a consistent basis.
Nikon is or was an option with Z8 + 2x Z6iii + Zf and all my Tamron e:Mount lenses would work just fine, but the negatives for me are mainly; no write to second card back up, Vlog is easier/better to grade and looks better to my eye (marginal but looks that way to me) and costs a few thousand more than an all LUMIX line up.
Sony has the best lens lineup options for me and I prefer the FX style bodies by a large margin, but no 6k camera (at least for now) kills it for me. 
Nikon may come out with this rumoured ZR for 2026 and it may answer some of my current Nikon criticisms...but it may not and if it does, c'est la vie, 'sideways' rather than anything I actually need.
Ditto Sony. It's the lens lineup mainly that is the draw and if there was a 6k camera available now, I would probably have gone in that direction and in FX style bodies, it would have sealed the deal, but again, even if that comes into being by the end of this year, too late for me and I'm not a brand hopper for the sake of the latest new thing just because it's the latest new thing, ie, this current crop of ex-Sony Shillsters to now LUMIX Shillsters are all going to be hopping back in the direction of Sony within the next 6 months for sure.
Nope, I can't and won't do that. If I have a Porsche, I might look at Ferrari or Aston and think, "yep, they're nice, but I already have a Porsche and it's fantastic". (I don't, - I have a used 150,000 miler Skoda Octavia Scout 😜 )
I'm 2 weddings in to a 17 wedding season and the new boy won't arrive in time for the next 2 which I leave for on Monday, but at least the 13 jobs after that will all be with the new system which will now comprise the following:
S1Rii with Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 until I have sold all the stuff I need to sell and then will be picking up the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 for indoor use and use my existing LUMIX 70-200mm f4 for outdoor use. I hate lenses that extend with zooming and neither of these do! Hybrid use, - mainly stills but I will also shoot video with this.
S9 with 18/50/85mm f1.8 on freestanding monopod which is my current and going forward will now share duties with the S1Rii as my 'run & gun' units.
Pair of S5ii's remain as my 2x statics with any 2 of the above 6 lenses that are not in use on the S1Rii or S9 at any given time, but at some point, I am going to add the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 into the mix, ie, still 1 less body and 2 less lenses than I have currently been using this year and last, but the 28-105 will give me a bit more flexibility that my current L Mount lens lineup lacks.
The only thing that put me off doing this sooner really was the body design...
It's not that exciting and I was hoping for something more S1H or even Sony FX style but upon reflection, it's a better body than the S5ii being slightly chunkier, a MUCH better rear LCD and a few knobs and whistles that improve the overall use.
Dream camera? Probably not, but a very very solid move (for me) I think.
The bottom line is once you have pushed that button, how do you feel about it and will I miss the A7RV and Zf?
I feel good about it actually because the positives outweigh any negatives and the Sony + Nikon pairing has been stellar, but there is simply a better (for me) option now.
7.2k 30p Open Gate Vlog here we come...
 
 

Not especially no, but then maybe that’s because I am a hybrid wedding shooter and not a serious filmmaker? 
I mean it is/was on the list, but in no way would I switch to a camera purely just because it has marginally better highlight roll off when it isn’t so great in other areas, or completely misses the mark.
My criteria as I stated was I am replacing both a 61mp and a 24mp cameras for a 44mp one.
For stills which are 50% of my work, absolutely no way would I be considering a 12mp camera as a viable alternative.
Does the A7Siii meet my requirements for ‘all in one system’? Sure as does the A7iv, the A7RV and well…any/all A7 and FX bodies, but do any of them meet my requirement to shoot 6k open gate video? Nope, not a single one.
As I outlined in my reasoning, I have a minimum set of requirements in order to make any change and one of those was not better highlight roll off.
I don’t think you are necessarily being ‘that guy’, but you completely ignored my requirements and instead posed a question based on what I guess would be your main priority.
And that’s cool.
But regarding highlight roll off specifically, have I considered it?
No, not really. I’ve used full-frame Lumix now for 4.5 years and at no time have I considered it an issue and looking at the footage from the S1Rii that I have seen, haven’t noticed anything untoward.
I haven’t looked at or even aware of any comparisons in this specific area either. 
So back to my best Scooby Doo voice, “Idunnoknow” 🤷‍♂️

Not especially no, but then maybe that’s because I am a hybrid wedding shooter and not a serious filmmaker? 
I mean it is/was on the list, but in no way would I switch to a camera purely just because it has marginally better highlight roll off when it isn’t so great in other areas, or completely misses the mark.
My criteria as I stated was I am replacing both a 61mp and a 24mp cameras for a 44mp one.
For stills which are 50% of my work, absolutely no way would I be considering a 12mp camera as a viable alternative.
Does the A7Siii meet my requirements for ‘all in one system’? Sure as does the A7iv, the A7RV and well…any/all A7 and FX bodies, but do any of them meet my requirement to shoot 6k open gate video? Nope, not a single one.
As I outlined in my reasoning, I have a minimum set of requirements in order to make any change and one of those was not better highlight roll off.
I don’t think you are necessarily being ‘that guy’, but you completely ignored my requirements and instead posed a question based on what I guess would be your main priority.
And that’s cool.
But regarding highlight roll off specifically, have I considered it?
No, not really. I’ve used full-frame Lumix now for 4.5 years and at no time have I considered it an issue and looking at the footage from the S1Rii that I have seen, haven’t noticed anything untoward.
I haven’t looked at or even aware of any comparisons in this specific area either. 
So back to my best Scooby Doo voice, “Idunnoknow” 🤷‍♂️

Decision made, I am sticking with LUMIX regardless of what Nikon or Sony do next.
S1Rii inbound...
Here's my reasoning and intentions for those that are interested in such things!
Currently I am using:
S9 + 2x S5ii for my video work, plus a Sony A7RV and a Nikon Zf for stills.
That's 5 camera bodies plus 9 lenses spread over 3 systems with 3 different menus, batteries, handling/haptics etc.
In summary, it works, but not without issues.
I am switching to 4 camera bodies plus 7 lenses over 1 system.
I have 3 principal aims:
A: Reduce the amount of kit I have to work with and
B: Have it all within one single cross-compatible system.
C. Ability to pull 6k stills from video footage on a consistent basis.
Nikon is or was an option with Z8 + 2x Z6iii + Zf and all my Tamron e:Mount lenses would work just fine, but the negatives for me are mainly; no write to second card back up, Vlog is easier/better to grade and looks better to my eye (marginal but looks that way to me) and costs a few thousand more than an all LUMIX line up.
Sony has the best lens lineup options for me and I prefer the FX style bodies by a large margin, but no 6k camera (at least for now) kills it for me. 
Nikon may come out with this rumoured ZR for 2026 and it may answer some of my current Nikon criticisms...but it may not and if it does, c'est la vie, 'sideways' rather than anything I actually need.
Ditto Sony. It's the lens lineup mainly that is the draw and if there was a 6k camera available now, I would probably have gone in that direction and in FX style bodies, it would have sealed the deal, but again, even if that comes into being by the end of this year, too late for me and I'm not a brand hopper for the sake of the latest new thing just because it's the latest new thing, ie, this current crop of ex-Sony Shillsters to now LUMIX Shillsters are all going to be hopping back in the direction of Sony within the next 6 months for sure.
Nope, I can't and won't do that. If I have a Porsche, I might look at Ferrari or Aston and think, "yep, they're nice, but I already have a Porsche and it's fantastic". (I don't, - I have a used 150,000 miler Skoda Octavia Scout 😜 )
I'm 2 weddings in to a 17 wedding season and the new boy won't arrive in time for the next 2 which I leave for on Monday, but at least the 13 jobs after that will all be with the new system which will now comprise the following:
S1Rii with Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 until I have sold all the stuff I need to sell and then will be picking up the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 for indoor use and use my existing LUMIX 70-200mm f4 for outdoor use. I hate lenses that extend with zooming and neither of these do! Hybrid use, - mainly stills but I will also shoot video with this.
S9 with 18/50/85mm f1.8 on freestanding monopod which is my current and going forward will now share duties with the S1Rii as my 'run & gun' units.
Pair of S5ii's remain as my 2x statics with any 2 of the above 6 lenses that are not in use on the S1Rii or S9 at any given time, but at some point, I am going to add the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 into the mix, ie, still 1 less body and 2 less lenses than I have currently been using this year and last, but the 28-105 will give me a bit more flexibility that my current L Mount lens lineup lacks.
The only thing that put me off doing this sooner really was the body design...
It's not that exciting and I was hoping for something more S1H or even Sony FX style but upon reflection, it's a better body than the S5ii being slightly chunkier, a MUCH better rear LCD and a few knobs and whistles that improve the overall use.
Dream camera? Probably not, but a very very solid move (for me) I think.
The bottom line is once you have pushed that button, how do you feel about it and will I miss the A7RV and Zf?
I feel good about it actually because the positives outweigh any negatives and the Sony + Nikon pairing has been stellar, but there is simply a better (for me) option now.
7.2k 30p Open Gate Vlog here we come...
 
 

Decision made, I am sticking with LUMIX regardless of what Nikon or Sony do next.
S1Rii inbound...
Here's my reasoning and intentions for those that are interested in such things!
Currently I am using:
S9 + 2x S5ii for my video work, plus a Sony A7RV and a Nikon Zf for stills.
That's 5 camera bodies plus 9 lenses spread over 3 systems with 3 different menus, batteries, handling/haptics etc.
In summary, it works, but not without issues.
I am switching to 4 camera bodies plus 7 lenses over 1 system.
I have 3 principal aims:
A: Reduce the amount of kit I have to work with and
B: Have it all within one single cross-compatible system.
C. Ability to pull 6k stills from video footage on a consistent basis.
Nikon is or was an option with Z8 + 2x Z6iii + Zf and all my Tamron e:Mount lenses would work just fine, but the negatives for me are mainly; no write to second card back up, Vlog is easier/better to grade and looks better to my eye (marginal but looks that way to me) and costs a few thousand more than an all LUMIX line up.
Sony has the best lens lineup options for me and I prefer the FX style bodies by a large margin, but no 6k camera (at least for now) kills it for me. 
Nikon may come out with this rumoured ZR for 2026 and it may answer some of my current Nikon criticisms...but it may not and if it does, c'est la vie, 'sideways' rather than anything I actually need.
Ditto Sony. It's the lens lineup mainly that is the draw and if there was a 6k camera available now, I would probably have gone in that direction and in FX style bodies, it would have sealed the deal, but again, even if that comes into being by the end of this year, too late for me and I'm not a brand hopper for the sake of the latest new thing just because it's the latest new thing, ie, this current crop of ex-Sony Shillsters to now LUMIX Shillsters are all going to be hopping back in the direction of Sony within the next 6 months for sure.
Nope, I can't and won't do that. If I have a Porsche, I might look at Ferrari or Aston and think, "yep, they're nice, but I already have a Porsche and it's fantastic". (I don't, - I have a used 150,000 miler Skoda Octavia Scout 😜 )
I'm 2 weddings in to a 17 wedding season and the new boy won't arrive in time for the next 2 which I leave for on Monday, but at least the 13 jobs after that will all be with the new system which will now comprise the following:
S1Rii with Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 until I have sold all the stuff I need to sell and then will be picking up the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 for indoor use and use my existing LUMIX 70-200mm f4 for outdoor use. I hate lenses that extend with zooming and neither of these do! Hybrid use, - mainly stills but I will also shoot video with this.
S9 with 18/50/85mm f1.8 on freestanding monopod which is my current and going forward will now share duties with the S1Rii as my 'run & gun' units.
Pair of S5ii's remain as my 2x statics with any 2 of the above 6 lenses that are not in use on the S1Rii or S9 at any given time, but at some point, I am going to add the Sigma 28-105mm f2.8 into the mix, ie, still 1 less body and 2 less lenses than I have currently been using this year and last, but the 28-105 will give me a bit more flexibility that my current L Mount lens lineup lacks.
The only thing that put me off doing this sooner really was the body design...
It's not that exciting and I was hoping for something more S1H or even Sony FX style but upon reflection, it's a better body than the S5ii being slightly chunkier, a MUCH better rear LCD and a few knobs and whistles that improve the overall use.
Dream camera? Probably not, but a very very solid move (for me) I think.
The bottom line is once you have pushed that button, how do you feel about it and will I miss the A7RV and Zf?
I feel good about it actually because the positives outweigh any negatives and the Sony + Nikon pairing has been stellar, but there is simply a better (for me) option now.
7.2k 30p Open Gate Vlog here we come...
 
 

I usually just use quicktime and use command c. Never looked into software that could do it automatically!

OK, I have taken a look at the Arri option and not interested.
In side by side comparisons with Vlog, sometimes I preferred one and sometimes the other, but Vlog more times than the Arri.
And because I don’t need to match an actual Arri camera, zero need. And definitely not paying for it!
More interested in the firmware update…
So the S1Rii can now shoot open gate 8k, but it’s limited to 24p, ie, no PAL region 25p? That’s fucking weird!
But that aside, I am considering my next move…
I am looking for:
6k 50/60p, full frame, for screen grabs.
S1Rii offers 5.9k 16:9
S1ii offers 5.1k 3:2
For vertical cropping purposes, there’s nothing in that really because although the S1Rii 16:9 is ‘less tall’, it’s got a bit of extra resolution/detail that makes up for supposedly more latitude 3:2 open gate?
Anyway, I think that is a real world draw.
General consensus seems to be that the S1Rii has a slightly better image and slightly better low light, so all factors considered for my needs, that’s an S1Rii win.
Sony do not appear to have anything sub FX6 that can compete here? But correct me if I am wrong…
Nikon has entered the chat…
The Z8 then, it seems to be all or nothing to me from the specs as in yep, you can have 8k 60p, but it’s raw only, ie, mahoosive file sizes. Is there not an Nlog option for this?
From the spec sheet, it appears 4k is the limit for 50/60p if I didn’t want to shoot raw? Or have I got that wrong also?
Only interested in Lumix, Sony or Nikon for all kinds of reasons so if you even mention Canon or Black Magic, I will ghost you.

Ah, the old 'Irish Screwdriver' technique.
Always works.
Except when it doesn't.
I liked the concept of this camera, but never dared...

MPB 😂

Truth.
I had a client from just over 10 years ago come back to me the other day having lost what I provided for them.
I went to see if I still had it and expecting it to be a bit trash compared with today, but was actually quite surprised.
It stood up very well and the video was shot on GH3 and the photo on X Pro 2.
I notice more things like technique and editing & grading choices, but as for the raw result, - the client wouldn't notice any 'upgrades' in a decade.

Truth.
I had a client from just over 10 years ago come back to me the other day having lost what I provided for them.
I went to see if I still had it and expecting it to be a bit trash compared with today, but was actually quite surprised.
It stood up very well and the video was shot on GH3 and the photo on X Pro 2.
I notice more things like technique and editing & grading choices, but as for the raw result, - the client wouldn't notice any 'upgrades' in a decade.

I think so yes.
I have for a long time critiqued LUMIX regarding their marketing, or lack thereof and suspect they have indeed taken a leaf from the Sony playbook, of, "lets get our product out there into the hands of all influencers", rather than the seemingly limited way they used to do it.
And many of those who were previous diehard Sony Shillboys, seem to have jumped ship and are now preaching The Gospel According To Lumix.
I was an early adopter of Fuji when the X series came out and a large portion of the so-called 'professionals' scoffed.
When they became too popular (in my eyes anyway), I jumped ship to the newly hatched lame duck that was LUMIX full frame.
LUMIX seem to becoming 'the new Fuji'...which edges me closer back into being a Nikon boi which is where I started out back in the olden times.
But where do LUMIX stand in 2025 without all the hype?
Almost certainly top dog for 'consumer' video needs, as in hybrid style cameras rather than dedicated cine stuff.
Lenses is where I think they still lack, - the entire L Mount collection. There's a lot in it, but also a lot of holes.
And those holes are the one's that most suit my needs.
So between the hype (which puts me off any brand) and the 'lens hole scenario', two compelling reasons for me to dismount from this particular train ride at the end of this season.
But we shall see. The 'hype' alone is merely a 'negative distraction' really and. not a deal-breaker. Subject to finances, the lens situation will be the decider. 

Truth.
I had a client from just over 10 years ago come back to me the other day having lost what I provided for them.
I went to see if I still had it and expecting it to be a bit trash compared with today, but was actually quite surprised.
It stood up very well and the video was shot on GH3 and the photo on X Pro 2.
I notice more things like technique and editing & grading choices, but as for the raw result, - the client wouldn't notice any 'upgrades' in a decade.

Truth.
I had a client from just over 10 years ago come back to me the other day having lost what I provided for them.
I went to see if I still had it and expecting it to be a bit trash compared with today, but was actually quite surprised.
It stood up very well and the video was shot on GH3 and the photo on X Pro 2.
I notice more things like technique and editing & grading choices, but as for the raw result, - the client wouldn't notice any 'upgrades' in a decade.

I think it’s just the American spelling of the word crater.
And speaking of American education, how come some people are still at school in the US in their 20’s?
They make us leave in the UK by age 18.
They told me to go at 16.
But I can still spell crater proply.

Yes…it destroys our contentment with the gear we already have haha

Isn’t a crater an impact site of destruction?

My S9 sits smugly looking on.
At sub 1k prices, its video spec is in another league.

Funnily enough, a former client from 2014 contacted me today to say that she had 'lost' her wedding video and did I still have it?
After I stopped laughing, I thought hang on, it is probably still on Vimeo. And it was.
I thought it would look so dated and be an utter cringe-fest, but actually it wasn't and I was a bit surprised.
It was shot on the GH3.

and would suit me very well…if it just had a better rear LCD, but they cheaped out on it and lost a potential sale because of that.
And I am not the only one.
It defies all logic and sense to me and is the equivalent of a company putting their middle finger up at the potential purchased and saying, “don’t buy it then”.
OK I won’t and that’s a bigger loss to you than it is to me.
There are sub €1000 cameras with a better rear LCD.
I don’t pick holes in shit for the sake of it either and this in every other regard was a very strong contender for me and they blew it 😏

Well I think so 😉
I checked out the new Sigma as soon as it was announced but as soon as I saw the size & weight, it was game over vs the full frame 28-70.
As I said above though, for the APSC shooter, great and would be superb on a Fuji X or or Sony FX30!