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I love the idea of modularity as long as the modules are very intuitive and seamless (Red does a good job with this). I love the idea of having a small camera like this that will take beautiful 24mp, full-frame stills that I can have with me at all times. 

But I also love the idea of having something that can be built out a bit to make it a real cinema camera for professional use - that means mostly a strong battery solution (battery grip or handle with battery slot inside), the hot shoe adapter (already confirmed), an audio solution of some sort for at least 2-channel audio, etc... But I'd love to keep it small

Is it just me, or should we have better battery/power solutions in 2019? 

Hi All - Been searching for this but can't seem to find it. I use Premiere Pro for all of my editing, but have been testing out the 5.7k ProRes Raw on the EVA-1. When I shot with Canon'sC200s Cinema Raw Lite, I got excellent results shooting in CRM and then transcoding it to the more manageable file size of ProRes 422. Yes, I lost the ability to edit WB and ISO in post, but the image looks amazing compared to any 8-bit or 10-bit internal recording that I've done.

Was hoping to do the same thing with the EVA-1's 5.7k raw. Basically, shoot in 5.7k raw and then transcode it into 4K ProRes for editing and long-term file storage. I figure this will give me a super detailed, downresd, color accurate 10-bit ProRes file. 

But figuring out how to do a large batch transcode in Final Cut Pro like I do in Media Encoder is escaping me.

Does anyone know how to do a large batch transcode in FCPX or could point me in the right direction?

1 hour ago, majoraxis said:

What are the alternatives if you want the equivalent of Cinema DNG 4k 12bit full frame video recording?  and at what price?

I admit it, I have not done the research as it was not on my radar before this announcement.   I hope that those who were already in the market could share what alternatives there are that this will compete against.  I'm thinking that this is a good value (pending the price and total configuration cost to shoot Cinema DNG) because of people's reaction to the announcement.

Really it is only the full-frame cinema cameras that can do raw from a full-frame sensor. So: Alexa 65, Red Monstro, Canon C700, Sony Venice... And most of those need added modules or recorders. So, the cheapest full-frame camera that can shoot raw as of now is more than $35,000.

The Nikon Z6 having raw has been announced but not yet released. The S1H will probably have some sort of raw, but not known for sure. Then Kinefinity and Z-Cam have full-frame cameras coming out that can do raw.

The full-frame and Super35 raw output landscape will look a lot different in 6-12 months than it does right now, that's for sure. 

While I don't think this Sigma camera will be my A-Cam or B-Cam, or perhaps the most useful tool out there (the BMPCC4K and Fuji XT3 were fatally flawed in my eyes by battery life and this seems to be the same), it does highlight the reason I was very excited about the L-Mount and what the future will be. I usually use a proper video camera (now, EVA-1) and a second gimbal camera that can also take nice stills (now, GH5) for most of my work, but then also have a small camera for just walking around to take photos (now, the GX9). Based on my preferred image quality, I would use either Panasonic or Canon (Sony is out for me and BMD is nice, but no real photo cameras).

I've been wanting to unite my lens mount and the L-Mount definitely showed some promise. Looks like my GH5 will be replaced by the S1 once I get the firmware upgrade and definitely by the S1H when that is released. I'm guessing the next iteration of the EVA-1 will have an L-Mount option, which would be fantastic. But, outside of Leica (which is just too expensive for what you get), I didn't really think I would get a small, take-anywhere camera anytime soon - but Sigma has come through! And the fact that it may have even better video specs than the S1 is pretty amazing really. So the future looks like:
A Cam: EVA-2
B Cam: S1/S1H
C Cam (Take anywhere cam): Sigma FP

So far, the B Cam & C Cam are a pretty large upgrade from the MFT counterparts. Hopefully, Panasonic gives us an L-Mount cinema camera soon.

Looking forward to the future of the L-Mount. Hopefully Panasonic or Sigma step up with a lightweight F2 prime series soon. Sigma's lens "roadmap" seems to be just for their DLSR port-overs, so I wouldn't be surprised if they have a few more releases this year. 

4 hours ago, webrunner5 said:

$6K, you can buy a EVA1 for that. I find it hard to believe they could sell it for that much. That is damn near FS7 mk II territory. 4,000 dollars yeah maybe.

Yea they have already stated it will "be around $4k," so it won't be any more than that. I would guess $3800 or $3900. 

It pretty much has to have: 6K (confirmed), All-I (confirmed), external raw (up to 6k) hopefully in BM Raw or ProRes Raw, and maybe even internal raw. And then maybe something special like super low ISO in video V-Log (50-100), internal NDs, and 120fps in 4K. 

We'll see and I'm sure they'll pack it full of features considering the S1 with firmware update is already pushing into $6k - $10k image quality territory. 

Holy ISO range.

If this is possible in cine-mode, then it's basically like having an internal ND (in terms of light gathering). In bright conditions at ISO 400 and f2.8 (what I often shoot), I usually need 6-stops of light reduction (ND1.8). So... 400 > 200 > 100 > 50 > 25 > 12 > 6... well, there ya go.

Though, I'm guessing it is for stills only. And dynamic range probably takes a hit. 

2 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said:

Great news. 

Still compelled to learn how this camera really differentiates from the S1H. The 6k mode is rather niche as the major difference. 

Along with the specs Andrew listed, I would think that any bigger cinema features will be for the S1H only and not on future S1 upgrades. Mainly external raw output (or maybe internal raw), All-I, the 6K obviously, full-frame 4K 60fps, and perhaps a few other updates, like 120fps 4K burst. 

From a camera body side, I am still holding out hope for internal NDs. They put those in there with their XLR adapter and all of the nice codecs that will surely be in there, and they'll have something pretty special. 

Just read this in the press release: "Note: The feature of playing CinemaDNG footages in-camera is to become available via firmware update scheduled at a later date." - so perhaps internal raw recording is coming? That would be sweet and truly a pocket cinema camera.

As an L-Mount user who loves the S1, will probably get the S1H, I was really hoping for a small companion camera to take everywhere without having a different lens system. Even if just for that, Sigma has delivered. Throw on top of it all the cinema functions it seems they are packing into it, and I'm very excited.

Battery life will be terrible though... 

11 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

As Towd said, the autofocus improvements in the S1 are a combination of new algorithms, dedicated AF chip, and new lens motor designs in the L series lenses. They are working together to try to eliminate or at least dampen the pulsing effect (its seems to be way less noticeable in firmware v1.2) in Panasonics DfD.

I'm in the same boat. I prefer lighter and smaller kit with good features. I think they need to nail a few key areas for the GH6 to be a hit.

1. Improve upon the IBIS; 7.5 stops minimum with an OIS lens.

2. Improve high ISO performance.

3. More megapixels for stills photography.

4. 14 stops minimum for dynamic range

5. A L-mount to MFT adapter with a built in ND of some sort, electronic or otherwise to increase the synergy with their L-Mount.

 

Anyway, the S1 seems to becoming a compelling camera. Hope its not too late...

Yea the GH6 has to be packed full of features to compete with all of the new full-frame video cameras coming out (and especially the S1H). 

I would says the biggest thing it can do to survive is to have internal NDs and internal raw recording. Anything less than that at it's probable price point of $2-2.5k and it will be a tough sell. 

With all of the S1 updates and the future S1H, along with new native lenses being released, I'm moving to full L-Mount gradually. Looking forward to the three new Sigma lenses being announced tomorrow. 

Though my B&H order they made for me said release on July 28th. 

I can't imagine that this would be backordered - it's just a number on a piece of paper. So hopefully it arrives this month. Excited for it!

Ugh - B&H contacted me for my free firmware but said delivery would be mid-August. That’s a bummer.

On 6/28/2019 at 12:47 PM, Video Hummus said:

This is full frame and DOF hype my friend. With the higher resolution sensors the optics need to be able to resolve all those details. The lenses get quite big when they have AF and OIS.

Agreed, but lenses like the Zeiss Batis line or even Sony's f1.8-line are very compact and lightweight and the Batis and Sony 55mm f1.8 are still known to be some of the sharpest lenses out there. So, it is possible to make compact,  high-performing f1.8 - f2 full frame lenses. The Sony 24mm f1.4 is only 450 grams and it has received rave reviews. For 4K video, my old Contax Zeiss are plenty sharp and do a fine job resolving detail. 

36 minutes ago, Simon Young said:

I own the S1 and the x-t3 and the latter surely feels like a toy in comparison (I used to own the a7riii too and while I loved the output when it came to photos I never managed to warm to the wonky colors and ergonomics on the video side).

I really like the S1 and can only agree with what is written above. I use it with M-mount voigtlanders so I’m not really concerned with the sub par autofocus. I’m extremely excited about the 10bit internal vlog and pairing it with @Sage‘s Alexa lut.

Thinking about switching my x-t3 to a GH5s but I think I love the Fuji too much.

With regards to size: my Fuji paired with the 23mm f1.4 is taking up just as much space in my bag as the s1 with the Voigtländer 40mm f1.2. The Panasonic setup is a lot heavier though. 

Love this. I love my Contax lenses, but for compact, lightweight, and fast lenses (f1.4 or faster), there aren't many options. The 50mm f1.4 is a beauty, but the comparable lenses that have the same size and filter thread (both very important to me for gimbal work and filters) are all 2.8.

But I have definitely been eyeing all of the f1.2 variants of the Voigtlander M-Mount lenses. Might have to make the switch soon. Plus that 21mm f1.8 is very tempting. 

Anyone have any comparisons of the Contax Zeiss and Voigtlanders? 

I also love the tiny adapters needed for M-Mount. The Sigma MC-21 adapter adds a good 150-grams of bulk on every lens, which isn't ideal. 

I've written this elsewhere and on my first ever camera review, but the S1 is the most professional-feeling mirrorless camera I've ever used. In my opinion, it is perhaps the first true professional mirrorless outside of the GH5. I've used the A7s, A7rII, GH5, and EOS R. The GH5 has hung around, but the rest were all returned or sold. Yes, it's bigger than the rest, but once you put a lens on it, the difference isn't terribly noticeable than any other full-frame camera (and still feels a bit smaller/lighter than any full-frame DLSR). 

Compared to Sony, Panasonic's IBIS is superb, as is its color science and general image. The image quality is fantastic and I can't wait for the 10-bit and V-Log update - I think that will be a big step up. Image quality feels on par with the EVA-1 or C300 that are often my A-Cam already when they are all set to a Rec709 image. 

I really hope Panasonic or Sigma get some native f2 primes out for it fast, because I'm not on board with the giant f1.4 lenses most manufacturers seem to be creating now. I use pretty much Contax Zeiss lenses with it and it's a great combo. The AF with the 24-105mm is really very decent in video and I don't notice a huge difference for normal subjects (people walking, one-man interview AF) than with the EOS R. But I'm manually focusing video 98% of the time, so I don't really mind if the AF isn't great and the Sigma adapter AF isn't great. For native glass, the AF in photos mode is very fast - don't notice it to be any slower than Canon or Sony for the photos I take. 

My only gripe with it right now is the lens selection - in a few months, Canon will have a great selection of RF native glass and their adapters work flawlessly. Sony has an amazing lens lineup now and the lenses Zeiss are making for them are awesome as well. Same with Fuji - worth buying into that system solely for the lenses and compact size and I've thought about it. 

But all in all, the S1 is the most professional full-frame mirrorless camera out there. The only thing that competes on specs and usability is the GH5, but the S1 definitely seems to have a lot more detail in the image and the full V-Log coming seems like it will give it the best dynamic range in the mirrorless game. 

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With all that said, I'd guess I'll buy the S1H when it comes out, unless there is a crop in 4K or just in general doesn't live up to the hype. But I have a feeling there are some serious goodies awaiting us (still holding out hope for an internal ND...)

You can ramp up the focus peaking quite a bit. When I do that, it’s a bit too much when not rolling but works perfectly for me when recording. Strange it diminishes at all - hopefully that is fixed in the firmware update. But I haven’t had issues with it at full strength on f1.4 lenses. 

21 minutes ago, sanveer said:

I also think Panasonic are hiding festures, which they will activate with firmware, as other cameras (mostly the A7siii) are released. Right now what they've released us not worth the extra money, especially since it still has a crop in 4k60p, it could still apparently have heating issues (they seem to have made this up), and 6k and anamorphic don't seem to command the extra $1500 over the S1. Their dynamic range should be the same.

I am guessing they could unlock faster frame rates, maybe 12-bit 422 or something, and maybe even windowed 4k at 120fps? Right now the feature set seems slightly underwhelming, especially compared to the S1. 

I agree. Just like with the S1, Panasonic has built a body that can and will be able to handle heavier loads in the future. So while Sony will surely have to start from scratch to match even the 10-bit, 60fps S1 specs with the A7sIII body, Panasonic has already built a larger body with a vent and cooling system for even more intensive work loads than the S1 - the S1H. 

Which means we'll see at least 10-bit 4K All-I 400mbps, probably in 60p as well, plus the 6K already announced (hopefully in 10-bit H265 or compressed raw) and any other firmware updates they want to throw in there as competitors release their own high-end video hybrids - their system is already built for future processing loads. 

From all the interviews I'v watched, definitely seems there are some big features not  yet announced. 6K and Anamorphic are not the only BIG features the S1H has over the S1. Every Panasonic rep has said this and done a bit of "wink wink," wonder what that vent is for, etc etc - it's going to have some other big features (IBIS, internal raw, compressed raw, NDs, something...) and they are just holding back so that when they fully announce the specs (probably early September or so), they have some more headline-grabbing features. Especially since that will be around the time the Sony A7sIII is announced. 

But we definitely don't know yet what this camera can fully do, but we can be sure it will have quite a few more powerful features to differentiate it from the competition and warrant its $4000 price tag. 

I will say that if there is one place Panasonic always delivers, it's in value for money - from Varicam LT vs Sony F5/F55/C700 to EVA-1 vs C200/FS7/C300 and, even though everyone says it's too expensive, the S1 (with free firmware forthcoming) vs any other mirrorless/DLSR camera out there. 

1 hour ago, andjo said:

One thing that I wouldn't mind see in the S1H (well any panasonic camera for that matter) - is some kind of burst slow motion mode in 4k/6k.

Like being able to get a 4 second burst of 4k in 120fps/96fps. I think burst modes in general are quite underrated, but I love them.

Agreed! With pre-record or post-record functionalities, that function is actually pretty great. Having 120fps in 4K would be great, but I don't need it for continuous recording. But, they would have to figure out how to write it quickly because the only camera I've used this one (Sony FS5) was slowwwwww. But I'm guessing that had more to do with old processors and slow SD cards. With an XQD card, I'm guessing you could write 4-8 seconds in 120fps 4K pretty darn quickly. Or even allow it to write to the XQD while you keep shooting normal speed on the SD Card.

With all the rage of full-frame video on the high-end (C700, Venice, Alexa Mini LF, Monstro, etc), pretty crazy there is a $4k full-frame camera that shoots 6K and does it in what will at least be a 10-bit codec (probably). No, it may not be what everyone wants, but it is quite the accomplishment.

I really do think there are a couple of big features not announced today - probably just in case the A7sIII is announced in the next 3-4 months, Panasonic can come back and say "well, we've got that too!" - the flippy screen is a great example of something they didn't announce and yet, there it is... 

25 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Fucks sake.

Well done Panasonic for NOT mentioning one of the biggest changes and leaving it up to some guy at the show with a sneaky shot of the prototype!!!

Woah! And check out that fan vent.

Also looks like it will fix my problem with the flip-out screen (blocking the ports or bumping into things that are plugged into the ports) - looks to have enough room to at least tilt 45-degrees or so without bumping into the HDMI chord and should clear the microphone and headphone chords completely (though hard to tell).

Love the recessed grip. 

I have a feeling this thing has some more goodies up its sleeve that Panasonic hasn't told us about yet. Let everyone talk about 6K and 10-bit for a couple of months and then drop a few more big things - still holding out hope for internal ND... 

With the free firmware upgrade for the S1 (if you have already bought it or will buy it in the next two months), the S1 is a pretty amazing deal. The IBIS is the best in class - very close to GH5 and way better than anything else above MFT sensor size. 

I was hoping the S1H announcement would be more like most camera manufacturers announcement - meaning, announce full camera, release 4-6 weeks later. But Panasonic, for better or for worse, have been doing small teases, then announcing full specs 2-3 months later, than putting them on sale for their last 3-4 major announcements (GH5, S1(r), and EVA-1). It's a bit annoying.

BUT that does mean we don't know everything about the S1H yet - I think they'd be crazy if they took out IBIS. The only thing that may make that worth it would be to include NDs (to save room, perhaps?). It may even have internal compressed raw... or raw out... or a mini xlr jack. We just don't know everything yet. Until then, I'm salivating over the S1 firmware update and want to get that bad boy loaded up as soon as possible.

One thing is for sure - Panasonic is pumping out some amazing full frame camera bodies. IMO, the three best mirrorless cameras for video right now are all Panasonic. Impressive.

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But Panasonic and Sigma need to get on some small native lenses right away. 

Wow! That's a really nice move by Panasonic - really looking after us early adopters. Suddenly now, this is definitely the best value for money pro mirrorless camera at $2500 (or so). 

I think B&H jumped the gun this morning and it appears they have the Panasonic S1 firmware update key available already (and it's free with an S1 purchase right now). Nothing really happens when you click it, but looks like it will be $199. 

Sort of annoying you can get it for free with an S1 purchase after I bought mine already. I did get a free battery and battery grip with my purchase, but the battery is $86 and I'll probably never use the battery grip, so I think I'd rather have the free firmware upgrade... 

While the resolution is horrible and it may be a photoshopped image, anyone notice the big red button in place of the mode dial button on the front of the S1H? Looks like it could possibly be a record button. I guess we will know all tomorrow!

Based on just what we know, if Sony released this exact same camera but as the A7sIII, people would be heaping praise on them. 

- first mirrorless to offer full frame 60p in 4k

- 10 bit for 24-60p in 4K (first ever) 

- very very usable IBIS (unlike Sony’s)

- Anamorphic shooting 

- and oh, btw, the first camera to shoot full frame 6k under $30k... 

- 14 stops dynamic range with Panasonic’s color science (which is way nicer than Sony).

Still hoping for internal NDs, but we’ll see what else they put in here. This thing is PACKED full of features.