Video Hummus

@@yan_berthemy_photography Did you just buy this GH5?

What lens are you using and what's the f stop at and what was the ISO in that video/screenshots? Just looks like a grey, poorly lit scene with noise.

On 2/15/2019 at 10:35 AM, currensheldon said:

- 10 bit 422 LongGOP at 150mbps or

- 8 bit 420 All-I at 480 mbps (EOS R)

Even with a lower bit-depth, my knee jerk reaction would be that triple the bit rate would result in a fuller, more gradable image than the 10-bit. Anyone test these two side by side? At the same time, I really like the 10-bit 422 150mbps on the GH5 and think it looks pretty great. 

Bit rate has less affect on grading potential than the color depth and chroma subsampling. If you want to grade a look into your videos, or are shooting a lot gradients or contrasty scenes, you’ll want that 10-bit AND 4:2:2.

However if you like the colors right out of the camera, like many canon people do, and don’t mind a little color banding here and there than 8 bit is fine if your not heavily grading.

BUT like other people have mentioned different cameras have different compression hardware and Canon’s 480Mbps all-I isn’t necessarily the same codec quality as Panasonic’s 400 Mbps all-I.

In Panasonic’s case, their 150Mbps LongGOP encoder is solid in almost any case except when motion cadence is of particularly importance (sports) or the scene has a lot of random motion (ocean waves). That’s when All-I comes in.

For example I find Sony’s 8bit 100Mbps codec pretty crap compared to the 100Mbps IPB one in the GH5.

I do wish however that Panasonic would release a firmware update for GH5S that would allow a rec. format that had 10bit and VFR that doesn’t cap out at 60fps. Or better yet 4K option higher than 60fps. I’d even take a 5 min record limited 96fps 4K HD wide (3840x1600). The sensor can do it! I’m not sure that is going to hurt their cinema sales. People buy cinema cameras for the ease of use and with more robust ports and battery options and monitoring solutions.

59 minutes ago, Robert Collins said:

I suspect Canon's strategy is simply to dominate the low end of ILCs through low prices, economies of scale, fully depreciated and low R&D - then leave its major competitors to fight over the high end.

I think it’s more about hedging their bets and their brand in the market and selling their old camera tech in new bodies for as long as they can get away with it. No other camera company, other than Leica, can get away with it.

I believe there is a limitation of the latest hdmi spec that limits signals to 60fps. 

8 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

3840 x 2160 is available in 10bit at 24p, 25p and 30p with no crop - it is full frame.

Man, this is a nice camera from Panasonic with a lot of potential. I hope they get a chance to develop it more. Great IBIS, easy handling ergo, great stills and lots of video options. But it’s biggest problem is that it doesn’t have Canon/Nikon on the front of the camera.

The glass is expensive, but so is Canon RF glass. If it has similar quality what’s the problem? Also, it’ll have cheaper Sigma options.

I still think Sony’s new eye detect hybrid af (A9) is going to eat this things lunch though. I also think we haven’t seen the A7Siii precisely because of this camera. They wanted to see how Panasonic priced it and what software they put in it. They obviously knew what the hardware was capable of.

I expect the see the A7siii priced similar or slightly higher than the S1R.

Does anyone have any hands on time with Icecam Tiny 3 Vision?

https://www.icecam-gimbal.it/en/home-page-icecam-gimbal-2/

I’m looking for a small, packable gimbal with a payload in the 2.5-4kg range.

I’ve seen reviews in Italian on YouTube and one of them has someone with a A7iii with a 24-700 f4 and it looks rock solid. That’s around a 2kg load.

I have some questions:

1. Is Canon basically conceding the shrinking consumer hybrid camera market in favor of their pro (cinema/sports photography) line? Everything they have released has been old, underwhelming, rehashed tech. Only thing new is the RF mount (with Pro glass at incredibly high pro prices).

2. If you want quality, uncompromised video options in a small DSLR sized package is your best bet with a company that does not have a cinema line of camera? (Hint: fujifilm)

3. Will the people who buy the RP realize they bought a 6Dmii all over again?

4. Is Canon actually really smart in not investing in a rapidly bottoming out camera market?

6 hours ago, forofilms said:

Not a fan of Tony Northrop. But...

Huge body.

Insanely expensive lenses. 

Cropped 4K60p.

Dubious AF performance. 

Image still has the veneer of video (imho). 

Not a dud but far from the perfect camera. 

Still better than Canon R and RP. 

Just came from Tony’s Myth V Reality Canon RP addition (with a RP giveaway!!!) No crapping on anybodies dreams there. Just a relaxed hand waving and “who needs this or that” line.

Watch them side by side (S1 vs RP) and tell me this man isn’t full of a bunch of canon $100 bills.

watch for yourself if you can stomach it. You might win the turd of a camera he is giving away!

No DPAF in 4K

Weird exclusion of 1080p 24fps

Everybody is slow clapping Canon. 

I will be surprised if it has good DPAF in 4K. If it does have no crippled DPAF with a 1.5x crop at the rumored price point then they have something very interesting and a lot of mad EOS R owners. 

5 hours ago, Django said:

Canon is the only major camera manufacturer that still develops its own sensors in-house. Just about every other camera brand goes to Sony, who have cutting-edge sensor technology.

So yes, Canon are behind in sensor tech which explains the recycling of old sensors in their current mirrorless cameras.

They have acknowledged the 4K crop limitation and are said to be actively working on it. 

We’re all hoping the new sensors will appear on the upcoming pro model later this year (1DX2 already being the Canon camera with the least crop & RS in 4K).

If Canon would release a camera without some major gotchas at a decent price range, I'd buy one. But it seems they always cripple some aspect of the camera that is hard to compromise for to push you up into the $4K price range. I mean, we are buying gear that costs as much as a decent used car, why should I have to choose between 1.7x 4K crop with sub-par (but not dealing breaking in most cases, but can ruin your day when you need to push your gear) RS in 2019? Or no DPAF in 4K (which I think the RP will have; hope not!). I'm actually not very excited for 2019 because Sony has started an arms race and owns the sensor market and I feel like Worse is Better is going to win out.

Canon would do well if released a good mirrorless camera sub $3K without their stupid crippling segmentation strategy. Their new mirrorless entries really feel like old tech with a fresh coat of paint and some lipstick. Not even evolutionary, just relying on the fact that DPAF is still not quite matched.

I would hope Panasonic would focus on:

Increased DR - At least 2 extra stops
Thick internal codecs - H265 and a high bitrate ALL-I
External RAW output
Dual ISO - Improved lowlight performance over GH5
Improved manual focus features
Improved autofocus (because everybody wants it and whines about it)

Don't care much about 8K.

21 minutes ago, anonim said:

 

Nothing will beat a three axis gimbal but with some ninja waking and some stabilization I’ll take this over shaking footage if that’s the look I’m going for. 

44 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:

The Fast and Furious franchise - as just one example - shows if the explosions are big enough and the story is an afterthought, people will still watch. Films like F&F are easy to translate to non-english speaking audiences, so they have the potential to reach a wider audience globally. Netflix is still relatively new as a creator, and they're certainly trying to cover a lot of bases with original content, some works better than others. But they're still cranking out a number of great shows and original films. Just like any studio, there will be duds.

Yes, I agree. Throw enough money at something with the right faces and it will still make money. 

It’s Canon. It will be 4K without DPAF. ?

7 hours ago, anonim said:

But examples of IBIS from that review unfortunately don't look too revolutionary compelling for me.

Uh, they looked almost like GoPro hypersmooth levels. Did you watch it at 13:30? It’s the best IBIS we’ve seen so far, I’m not saying it’s a revolution. 

I think the most compelling feature in this camera is the IBIS.

Watch starting somewhere at 13:30.

Man, I wish Panasonic would release something in this form factor with 4K @ 120p and 2.5K @ 240p, dual ISO around 800 and 3200, and beefy codecs. Like a mini Kinefinity Terra 4K for around $2,300 that takes native MFT glass and has GH levels of water / weather sealing.

On 2/3/2019 at 1:38 AM, sanveer said:

I couldn't agree more. The emphasis on expensive equipment and expensive cast and crew is stubbornly stupid. Plus writers in most jurisdictions aren't paid enough and plagiarists aren't punished enough.

If VoD platforms kept a fund for 100 Feature Films under 100k, and ensured that the stories were great, they wouldn't have to think of most of the rubbish. The problem is VoD platforms have not been able to separate themselves from the over budget Hollywood rubbish they are attempting to replace.

Suddenly there are so many VoD platforms that no one player is probably making enough. And until they improve their content and budget better, they don't deserve to. 

Yes, this 100%. Sometimes a lot of the Netflix Originals just look and feel like they are trying too hard. When some of the better movies and films are simply about story and less with all the crazy explosions and fancy (and expensive) special effects and stuff. If the story is good, viewers don't care!

1 hour ago, kye said:

I'm estimating that it'll probably be part of the GH7 but not before.  It would be great if I'm wrong, but I'm not optimistic.

I'm thinking GH6. I have higher doubts that there will be a GH7 in 4 years.

On 1/31/2019 at 11:01 PM, webrunner5 said:

Canon doesn't Own Metabones, and Canon doesn't have a Speedbooster??

Oh, I'm mistaken. I thought canon had some investment into that company. Sorry about that.

I own a GH5S. It's brilliant. Low light is not a problem. DoF is really not a problem. I can shoot in C4K at 60p with a 1.8x crop factor. I have the creative freedom to shoot at 180 FPS for a particular shot. I can put a speedbooster on it and slap a Canon EF lens on it and have a 1.15x crop factor (a 70-200mm F2.8 will be a 80.5-230 F3.2 DoF)! I have a great lens selection, because I can adapt almost ANY LENS onto my camera! I have great built in preamps. I have a great native XLR hotshoe adapter for my camera. I have VERY useable autofocus for vlog style shots or something that doesn't need precision AF. I can slap on a 100-400mm f2.8-4 MFT (full frame eq.) telephoto lens that can fit in my f*king pocket and cost 80% the price and 40% the weight.

Micro 4/3 is a great system. I think it's best strengths are in video, especially. I think thats why Olympus is a hard sell anymore. Look at the Kinefinity Terra 4K. It's got basically the same sensor as the GH5s / BMPC4K and can do up to 4K 100fps and 2K up to 240fps. The video is gorgeous. The mount options are extremely flexible. And it's under $10K.

People that say M4/3 isn't good don't know what they're talking about or are so biased they can't admit there are things out there that rival whatever they like.

It can do lowlight (and as sensors improve this won't be an argument anymore)
It can do extreme telephoto inexpensively and without much bulk
It has DoF advantages for telephoto shots
It can be adapted to do shallow DoF if you need it
It allows more creative frame rates in a smaller package (smaller sensor, less heat, etc...)
It can do built in IBIS better than larger sensors (smaller sensor, less inertia, better IBIS...look at the Oly E1X for example...it's basically a built in gimbal)
It can still take great photos
It can take 50MP to 80MP photos of landscapes with Pixel shift tech.

It can't do anything larger than 8K.
It can't replicate exactly the "full frame look".
It can't boost your ego if all you care about is sensor size.
 

Yes, I'm a M4/3 fanboy because the GH5S is a great video camera. The mount is very flexible. The tech in the latest rounds of M4/3 cameras makes it even more flexible. But in general the entire M4/3 system has an image problem because people just can't seem to get over that tiny looking sensor.

At the same time I can see the benefits of full frame cameras and I see advantages in owning both systems. I really wanted Panasonic to knock it out of the park with the S line. I hope they can improve upon the initial launch specs, because it looks like a great camera.

I think that’s more Panasonic justifying their use of DfD contrast detection than the downsides of PDaf because despite image artefacts the market says people don’t seem to care or notice (or at least prefer better AF over image artefacts).

They must believe they have the capability to make DfD work. I think DfD af in the latest cameras does pretty good in most situations. I think as the processors get faster and AI rountines get better at tracking objects DfD might come into its own.

Or Panasonic is developing something else in the meantime and doesn’t want to pay licensing fees to Sony to incorporate PDAf tech in their sensors which means higher margins for them.

Its been good enough for me in the GH5s for when it made sense.

46 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

That has nothing to do with the state of M43. We're 2 years from the launch of the GH5, a M43 camera that is one of the most critically acclaimed and financially successful cameras from that period. The GH6, as long as it continues to innovate, will likely be as successful. There is no evidence that the GH series will be taking a backseat to the S series. It'd make no sense for it to. 

For whatever reason Olympus decided to release an old camera in a larger body, with hardly any new features and threw a $3000 price tag on it. It's a bummer, because it's another bad sign for Olympus, but I don't see how you can associate it with the health of M43.

Yes. I thinks it’s more Olympus dropping the ball a bit. Not that M4/3 is dead. I’m actually more sure we will see a video focused GH6 in the future. 

2 hours ago, DBounce said:

 Oh one last thing.... the system needs to be less costly... the price of admission is too high for what it is. 

I agree. I was surprised with that agressive pricing. Maybe release high and offer high discounts?