newfoundmass

You're comparing the price of a car in 1903 to the prices of a MacPro in 2009 and 2013? The US dollar in 2009 is equal to $1.19 today. Using inflation to justify this is ridiculous. Yeah, I could buy another iMac and experience the same limitations as before. Oddly buying a machine that's not easily/fully upgradable isn't high on my to do list though. Selling and buying a new work station every couple of years to avoid the increasingly rapid drop in value isn't appealing to me. I'm sorry I'm not as understanding of Apple shafting their customer base as you are. I love Mac computers, but there's nothing Apple apologists won't defend, huh?

You realize that has been the entry price for the last couple MacPros, right? I think the 2009 MacPro I bought was $2800? Maybe $3000? Acknowledging you royally screwed up with the Garbage Bin MacPro and, as part of trying to win people back, launching a MacPro that has worse specs than your best regular iMac (not even the iMac Pro!) and for twice the price is asinine. That it's upgradable is wonderful, but not $6k wonderful, and certainly not the $10k you'd have to spend to get the machine you'd really need. This is clearly a company that has lost its way. Style over substance to a ridiculous degree. That they've simultaneously done this while dumbing down/simplified their "pro" apps like FCPX makes no sense. The core of the Apple's creative community, and those that were most vocal about Apple losing their way, are the ones Apple has decided to ignore. Everyone in this thread complaining WANT to give Apple their money, FFS!

Who are these people? Where are they? Examples?

I take it ALL back! I looked at this mic for my stereo mic search and it definitely piqued my interest, but $299 was just not feasible right now, since I needed two. I ended up going with the Tascam TM-2X which I like a lot and got one of them used in like new condition for a steal, but I'm definitely looking at this for the future. These mics interest me, especially for my pro wrestling work, because I think it can help make it more immersive because crowd reaction adds so much to the overall performance, and sometimes it can come off as a lot more muted than I'd like even when I try to mic the audience since the audience is on all sides of the performance. WWE, the major league, obviously handles it well given they have major league production. But for these smaller events the budget obviously isn't there for me to have an intricate set up with multiple mics all over the building, so something like this that does a "good enough" job of getting all sides of the action / crowd makes me kinda salivate! Hoping the two TM-2X at least improves things a little bit! ?

I hate you!

You're one of my favorite users @BTM_Pix. Thanks for this!

OSX for video editing has always been more stable for me, even when using the same programs across platforms. FCPX though really kinda made having OSX less important for me and one of the reasons I moved to PC. If I wasn't using FCPX then it made less sense to stay with Mac. Still though, I miss it, especially for 3rd party programs that work better on Mac than PC, ProAnimator being one of my favorites that I would use when I just needed quick 3D text / animations. The PC version is pretty much unusable.

Too true! We're so spoiled!

That's my worry, though I'm wondering if this new approach will make that less of an issue. In the video Max released that @Robert Collins posted he said that it can now use off the shelf parts. That would seem to possibly open the flood gates, so to speak, as the biggest issue with Hackintoshes was hardware compatibility, or so I've read.

? Jeez!

One good thing about this announcement though is that they stuck with Intel. I know there were many in the Hackintosh community that were worried that they were going to start making their own processors again, with 2020 being the year a lot of them said it would happen. I wonder too if, by being more "modular", if this also makes building a Hackintosh any easier? I've really been thinking about building one as my current system gets older, I've just always been worried about something going wrong at a crucial point while working.

The article I read didn't mention that it was upgradable. That's great if it is, though I still can't justify $6k for it. I think that's double what I paid for my last Mac Pro nearly 10 years ago, if I recall correctly! Mac has always charged a premium, but it was still feasible for enthusiasts and smaller creators to scrape together the money to get a professional machine. Not so much anymore. They've moved on from those folks, unfortunately. If you want a real Mac and don't want to have to take a second mortgage out on your house, you have to get iMacs and overpriced MacBooks with shitty keyboards. Neither are ideal solutions for me, given how rapidly those machines become antiquated. I built a custom PC in 2015 for $1k that blew my 2014 iMac that cost nearly 3 times more out of the water.

I don't know if their sales numbers have been overstated, but I do wonder if they partially appeal to a different market than a lot of the others do. Most of the Sony mirrorless shooters I know are really plugged into the YouTube world, as opposed to the corporate/event/commercial world that I shoot in. The rest are your indie filmmakers and some one person crew journalists. I do wonder if your numbers indicate that the latter are the types that post here, as opposed to the YouTube content creators. When I shoot weddings, or when the events I shoot also hire a photographer, most of them shoot Canon, Nikon, and Fuji, in that order. I've definitely seen a real uptick in Fuji users these last couple of years, especially around the time the XT-2 came out. I don't know if Canon's and Nikon's FF mirrorless entries have hurt that, I'll know more as work picks up this summer and I see what people are shooting with, but Fuji hit a real sweet spot I think with capabilities, size, and price. I do wonder though if we overestimate Sony's dominance in the professional, and even the hardcore hobbyist space. When you really think about it Sony really does cater to that YouTube crowd a lot. The Axxxx series have come out pretty regularly, when you compare it to their competitors. In the time Panasonic released their two popular vlogging cameras, the G7 and the G85, Sony has released 4 or so Axxxx series cameras that became popular with that crowd. And I very rarely see anyone using those cameras outside of YouTube stuff. That's all, of course, speculative and based on my experiences though!

I'd go the custom Hackintosh route or PC. I genuinely love Macs. I've owned two Mac Pros and three iMacs going back to 2001. I moved to Windows in 2015 though because I just couldn't justify paying Mac prices over a PC that I could continue upgrading / investing in, that cost a fraction of the price.

I feel like Sony users are really vocal, and they've gained dominance with bloggers because of the AF, but I don't see a lot of their mirrorless cameras being used professionally, at least here in the US. I do a lot of event shooting though, and they're not ideal for that given the recording limits, so that may be why. I still see Canon at events more than I see Sony though, which is crazy to me from a usefulness standpoint.

Please stop. Let the thread get back on topic.

I mean, it's not. There still no camera in its price range that can do everything it does. Whether you acknowledge that or not doesn't make it not true. They literally are just releasing the 10-25 f/1.7 zoom, so yeah, they are. No, the only thing that bothers me is the hyperbolic BS you spew out that has no basis in fact. As nonsensical as Panny was with the S1H roll out, if you don't think they're working on a GH6 you're out of your mind. I'm sorry for contributing to the derailing of this thread!

$5999? No thanks. I can't justify paying that for something that I can't easily upgrade myself.

It came out almost 2 years before the Pocket 4K and uses a more compressed codec. So yeah, the Pocket 4K should look better. It's still very good on the GH5; I'm certainly happy with it. $2000 is quite different than $3500. And mentioning the "horrible AF" immediately after mentioning BMD is pretty funny. The GH5 is a capable stills camera, far from horrible, but you seem to love hyperbole so... They're almost completely different markets. Most of us M43 shooters don't want a full frame camera and the heavy lenses that come with it. There is some overlap, but it's not significant. It's ridiculous to say Panasonic lost the M43 market to BMD and ZCam. The GH5 likely sold more than the Pocket 4K and every ZCam camera combined. Your perspective is terribly skewed. The bottom line, the GH5 gives me the versatility I need. It can do the entire range of work I do, and do it well, whether it's a run and gun scenario, doing green screen work, or shooting interviews. There's a damn good reason why those of us shooting with it are incredibly happy with it. It will remain a relevant camera for years to come. I expect, for those wanting a full frame camera, the same will be said about the S1H. There are always going to be those people that, no matter how happy you are with something, will insist you're wrong!

I feel like he's trolling. "If the GH5 has such good 4K 60p why did Panasonic even bother with the S1 and S1H?" ???

While not beaten, Fuji has come close (and to me holds the most promise and interest), BMD gave the world 4K 60p for an even lower price point, and Nikon has shown a lot of promise in video. The gap has definitely closed significantly. But yeah, in 2019, it's still a world class camera. Feature for feature there still isn't anyone that matches it outside of Panasonic itself. I think $1499 is a fair price for it new today. I know I've been looking at selling my G85 to pick up another one, though probably used since you can get an even better value there (often with v-log unlocked.) That people are saying it was overpriced on release is just nutty to me.

What? I'm not sure what you're even trying to say? You said the GH5 was overpriced on release. That is just silly. It's $2000 price tag for what you got was a bargain two years ago. It wasn't overpriced at all on release. That it's $1500 now is a sign that the gap between it and the cameras that have come out since has narrowed, not that it was overpriced on release. It's a much more competitive market now than it was then, and things are moving faster than ever. It's also probably a sign that the GH6 is coming sooner rather than later. They've raised the bar with the S1H, for sure. Whether it's successful or not, everyone else is going to need to come close to matching it. That might not be an easy task for Sony.

$2000 for a camera that shot 4K 60p, 4K 4:2:2 and had class leading stabilization in 2017 was overpriced? We're literally only now seeing cameras that come close to the capabilities of the GH5. The price decrease is because of how much competition has shown up in the 2 years since release.

Obviously I'd like as many options as possible when it comes to codec and bit rate, but I also don't absolutely NEED more than that for a lot of my work. Being able to shoot an entire event on one or two SD cards in 4K on my GH5 is wonderful. And when I have shot in log I've been happy with the results. Would raw, ProRes, etc be nice though? Absolutely!

That's uncalled for. If you're going to behave like that take it elsewhere.