Amazeballs

Also woundering if it will share an hdr mode from its newest drones.

1 hour ago, androidlad said:

Finally! Lets hope you can turn sharpening and noise reduction all they way off! 

I also wounder what 1 inch sensor are they using? Is it imx989? 4k120 in such a small body over 1inch sensor would be a challenge. 

So, the fact that BM joined L-mount makes me hopefull. DJI is rumored to produce an L-mount camera too which alltogeether will strengthen the alliance.. but this camera is not really ground breaking or anything like that. Form factor is meh, no NDs, no PDAF, frame rates are average. I can forgive it not having an IBIS as it has a very capable Gyro IS which you can apply in Resolve. But overall thats a postive move for all L-mount users. 

Eager to see what DJI cooks up. Those guys dont beat around the bush and deliver a banger straight away. A fresh take of their Ronin 4D in a camera form factor striped of a gimbal would be bonkers. 

What a pathetic update

10 hours ago, kye said:

I've played your game before...  if I say I see mush then you blame YT compression and you claim victory, if I say I don't see it then you claim victory.

No thanks, I'm interested in film-making, not whatever mind-games you like to play.

You sound mental.

The video objectively looks very good and if you watch it in 4k it has plenty of detail. For such a tiny sensor camera its very impressive. But.. I mean, whatever.  

A pretty resonable opinion

Well, I hope 1 inch sensor would solve that lowlight problem. The leaks seems to look real to me. Also Insta360 has a 1inch action camera and it never impressed me. Lets hope GoPro can actually make a big leap with this one. They need it - look at their stock price. Its 3.72$ rn from almost 100 at the peak. 

Also thought that those specs sound to good to be true. But if they are.. that might be a fun ride. Intrestingly enough, Hero11 with its smaller sensor still beats DJI Osmo 4 with 1/1.3 inch sensor in terms of DR and overall detail. Gopro ToneMapping is pretty dope. So if they keep all those tech and jump straight onto 1 inch sensor, and even add 8k.. that might be a noticeble quialty improvment. I just wish they would retain theirs almost rectangle sensor ratio size from Hero11. Not sure of thats even possible. 

I fear DJI have ditched pocket series all together

Got an interesting update. If its true, than it confirms our worst suspicions. Sony is refusing to update A7S3 and A1 cos they dont want to cannibalize their line-up. 

They need to hack Sony firmware and make a Magic Torchlight or smth. Lots of ppl would support that in a heartbeat. I would. 

Safe more money ang get FX30 instead of A7IV. It has more video features anyway. 

Listen, guys. I love my A7S3. Yes I would love to have new dynamic stab, and better AF. I also would want a new video oriented clean on-screen menu layout, but I can live without it. The camera still rocks. The problem is not about it beeing crucial feautures, its the attitude to the community, to us, its customurs. And this attitude stinks. In our age not giving your hardware avalible software updates is really really unexusable. Showing support to your older product is showing love to your customers. And feeling abandoned for a new youger girlfriend is not exactly a stimulating emotional experience. 

2 hours ago, markr041 said:

There was a major firmware update for the Sony fx3. It included a complete overhaul of the menu system, removal of Slog2, LUT import, Cine EI, and time code synch. Matching features that appeared in the newer fx30.

Most of the feature upgrades in firmware and in new cameras seem to me to be specific to video - focus breathing compensation, LUTs, timecode synch, etc. Thus, specific to cinema (video-oriented cameras). How much do stills shooters benefit from any of the new add-ons? Very little. So, hybrid cameras are evidently considered mainly stills camera, like the a7siii (the stills camera equivalent to the fx3).

That is a ridiculous argument. A7s3 is photo camera now? Is this a joke? Everyone know its a video-first camera. Now I think Sony have moved from S series to FX now, but that doesnt mean that A7S3 suddenly became obsolete. 

I own A7S3. There have been no major updates for this camera in a fucking eternity! Now they release ZV-E1 which has the same sensor and processor (according to Gerald) and every a7S3 owner is obviously pissed off. Its got so many new features that we all want but not going to get, cos SONY IS... I really dont know, what is their reason to justify this obnoxious attiude. Do they want to simply increase sales a tiny bit by doing it, in exchange of a major reputation damage? What are they thinking? Maybe we need to start an online petition, ah? There are a ton of videos on youtube complaining about it over and over again, Philip Bloom did a video, Gerald adressed it, in the comments people are raged, but still nothing. Sony is not adressing, not talking about it, not giving any timeline of new firmware updates, they are completely silent on the subject. 

Maybe Andrew can interview them and ask that question directly? WTF is going on? That would be nice. I dont understand why a company would create such a terrible case in the first place. The loayalty and attitude of your fanbase and community is extremly important espescially nowdays, when fewer and fewer ppl by cameras. For me it became a substantial reason to even think about switching. I am looking at Panasonic - they are very generous with their firmware and camera support for years. Now they have PDAF, they have the best IBIS in town, I just want them to make o compact (not a huge 1kg monster), affordable camera that has FF 4k60p and might seriosly consider switching. 

That looks actually jaw dropping. Imagine the creative applications and overall possibilities! 

I like this IBIS test. Shows that the gap between Panny and Sony is not that huge. Panny still does more warpy stuff in the corners if you go wider than 24mm and they both need a gimbal for a perfectly stable shot. Panny doesnt crop though cos frankly their e-stab is just usless, dont use it. 

3 hours ago, Sharathc47 said:

I Wish Panasonic works with Blackmagic for their Box cameras.
Blackmagic can make more money by licensing BRAW to other companies like panasonic than making their own cameras. a 250$ licensing fee would do the trick

the problem with BRAW is it needs a special encoder installed in camera for partial debayer process I think. That’s why we didn’t see any cameras with internal BRAW. 
 

or Blackmagic don’t want competitors in cinema camera space 

Another idea would be to create a partial debayer raw codec for l mount alliance like BRAW & ZRAW. But no camera company has as much software power as Blackmagic. 
hmmmmmm may be DJI?

I am all up for that. It would be very promising for BM to enter L-mount alliance and license BRAW to everyone there. They need a mirrorless mount anyway and L-mount seems to me like their best option. Lots of glass and ability to adapt EF lenses the like so much. 

Some pretty convincing autofocus test with Sigma lenses. 

S5mk2 is basicly a entry level FF camera from Panny. Its not the camera where they'll make a lot of money (though I hope to be in the wrong here) but the camera to attract a large base of fresh customers/switchers to L-mount system. They definitely should make more models of other types of L-mount cameras, refreshing thier lineup. And my guess would be it all pretty much depends on the avalability on the Sony sensor tech for those specific cameras. 

54 minutes ago, ade towell said:

Sorry I realise this is Sony v Panny  thread and I've just added Canon to the mix 

Well I dont see any reason why not to throw them into the mix as well. Add Nikon if you want.

Damn, this value proposition from Panasonic for 20-60 and 50mm at £400 more is just really solid. Somebody was mentioning the need for cheaper entry lenses above, well here it is boyz.. here it is. 

Here is a quick HDMI lag solution for S5mk2 from Gerald:

S5 II Update: Regarding the HDMI lag, there is an option in the menu to turn off "Sound Output (HDMI)". Doing so will prevent audio from going to the external device, but will significantly improve the delay issue. Night and day difference. Not ideal, but might help some users.

2 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

Yeah, I mean when you factor in the quality of the 1.8 Panny primes they are worth it, I think, BUT it's a hard sell when they are so much more costly than their competitors. You can sell an incredible camera like the S5II for $500 less than your competitors and that will entice people, but then you see those lens prices compared to their competitors, and it becomes a bit less enticing. 

Most of my work uses zooms, but I'll end up getting a couple of those primes. But it'd be nice to get a sub $200 50mm prime that was small and lightweight like Canon offers. 

Could not agree more

That problem could also be solved if other 3-rd party lens manufactures join L-mount alliance. 

Yes, the HDMI latency problem is real, I hope they can solve it cos its like a fly in the ointment, of an otherwise very well done camera. 

4 minutes ago, Beritar said:

Just better rolling shutter and 4K60fps Full Frame

Its all about getting the right sensor from Sony. I dont have and doubt Panasonic could make FF4k60p and less rolling shutter already if they had better sensor tech.