Dunjoye

Canon as blown its competitors away with this one. 

You can't come with the crippled talk now. You either pay up or keep it moving.  This camera isn't for everyone. 

That internal Raw is a game changer. Not sure what the issue with file size is. Thats what you get dealing with raw. Canon color + 1DC filmic mojo + log with RAW on a dslr format is insane. 

I wouldn't be buying this, as this is out of my price range, but I will definitely be loaning this for a few shoots. 

11 hours ago, Oliver Daniel said:

If true, what an absolute load of horse shit. I knew this camera would have a cripple in there somewhere. They just can’t help themselves can they?

Dealbreaker. 

You were never going to buy it regardless 

21 hours ago, scotchtape said:

Can't wait for mjpeg codec @800mbps, and 50mbps h.264 with no intermediates /s

I am probably one of the people that didnt mind mjpeg. Complemented the 1dc very well

On 11/20/2019 at 6:08 PM, tomastancredi said:

I'm considering it. Looks like a great stills camera. I had enough of smaller sensors for photos. For video I don't care much about dof and the eos r would be ideal if not too expensive for me. digital stabilization seems to work great and aestethically better than ibis. Just checking if this rp is better than m6ii and if eoshd picture profile works good enough. 

Did you find a huge quality difference? I tested a eos r yesterday and loved both 4k and hd. I wasn't able to tell much difference from the ipb and all-i, but I didn't test enough. So you don't recomend the rp for someone on a budget?

I found the ipb to be quite jittery in motion and the All-I had a buttery motion to the eye. The All-I is easier to edit too. It reminds me of the mjpeg in character. 

Could have been a frame rate setting issue, but those additional MBs make a hell of a difference from my experience.  

Battery life isnt as bad on the eos rp as people make out.  I used to own it. Got a f mixture of stills and video for a days shoot .

I sold our in the end and went for the R . I could have kept it if not for it lacking ALL-I 

Beginning to get the feel of this camera. It's a beast. Something I am going to avoid doing moving forward,  is watching alot of these cameras reviews from these so called experts. Nothing beats your experience with a cam.

For me, this camera is the best bang for £. 

I hate rigging cameras , unless necessary.  I have kept my setup light. LP batteries and Lens with a hot shoe handle. 

The images below are from a shoot I dod recently.

Set up:

1080p pro res Hq 24, 60 and 120 

Tamron 24-75mm 2.8

Iso: 800 and 1000

Shot in film Graded in fcp x

No lighting setup, just the fluorescent bulbs from the gym. 

When with the green tint for the look. I am a canon fan boy so, I want my colours to be rich and pop.

This camera is shockingly better than I expected

11 hours ago, drm said:

It may seem a bit counter intuitive to some, but I think that having a pro feature like BRAW recording at this price point actually makes the camera more accessible. Now less skilled people can produce much better content. With traditional codecs, the videographer needs to worry about getting the exposure correct, the white balance accurate, etc. With BRAW, many of those things are less important to get completely right on location. You simply have to be somewhat close and then we can adjust in post to get nice images. I was out of town earlier this week and my wife was able to film something by herself and the footage turned out nice. (She is a great editor, but she sucks as a camera operator.) Normally, I would have done a FaceTime call to walk through all of the exposure, white balance, and other settings. Despite our having walked through the setup a dozen or more times, I still get the "I can't figure this out" call most times.  In this case, she was able to cover the shoot unaided, thanks to BRAW. It is almost like having auto settings on a camera that actually work

?The camera is still not idiot proof with these benefits. Had a friend working as my camera OP, and I kept reviewing each shots and adjusting the camera for him.  Still requires a bit of a skill 

17 hours ago, Jim Giberti said:

Just a quick thought on this. I think you may find that shooting in 4k in Braw 5Q for 1080 delivery is the sweetspot.

It's an optimum workflow in that the files sizes are very small for both acquisition and working in post/Resolve.

Downresing to 1080 in Resolve will give you the best HD image and you don't have to worry about iso because all of that can be adjusted in post shooting Braw.

It's really liberating to focus on the creative knowing that you have the control to optimize everything from iso and exposure to white balance after the fact. Just shoot with a viewing LUT so you know you're getting what you want in real time and it comes together really quickly in color and edit.

Interesting, I havent actually used raw. Just Pro-res 422 HQ. That's why I mentioned the iso. The 1080 I shot recently is just as good as the 4K to the eye. I will eventually start toying BRAW. I i am a straight to FCPX type of shooter. Preference of UI over davinci 

Thats a super impressive update. 

Been very impressed with the BMP4K.  I am still shooting at 1080p 60fps with it.(Quick workflow) I think it's the best bang for the buck at the price.

I am still trying to work out it's sweet spot. But I think its between 400-640 iso. Thats where I have had the best results. This update pumps some more sellby date into this cam. 

All this is meh. 

Just give me an affordable camera that shoots good. Not interested in all this politics. Doubt any of this revelation will stop red fan boys staning on.

No Ibis? No 8k?

That's a no for me.

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8 minutes ago, Eugenia said:

Thank you Mercer! These were great times back then, reporting on cameras etc. ?

I personally use the M and the M50 for small short films like this (M50 below, with the nifty fifty). So despite some people saying that 24p is not needed, I actually need it, and I rather use such a small package camera rather than a larger or more expensive camera for these smaller film projects.

Canons have their problems, but with the VisionColor's Cinetech picture profile I get an excellent cinematic look, and more DR than Cinestyle. If only they could do proper 4k and have a 10bit codec. I tried ML a few times, but the aliasing and overheating keeps me from using it further.

Eos R? 10bit external, c log × ND Adapter.

4 hours ago, TheRealOG said:

Canon didn't need to do much, they just needed to give a bit more. The EOS R can't even compete with the X-H1 coming from Fuji. IBIS and slow motion and codec are better, minus the DPAF.  Dual card slots and a cheaper price would of been great. They should of launched it at $1,799 out the door and it would of sold quite heavily. More RF users, more Canon cameras out in the wild.

The problem is whatever more they offer, it's just never enough..

All those features you mentioned are in the 1dx mark ii, bar IBIS.

Which supports my argument that the niche market for video dont really know what they want , when they often pretend like they do.

DSLR Video market is still the only market I know of , where people are trading off their cameras within 6 months to a year looking for the next best thing, they never really need.

1 thing I know is this, canon have offered little innovation  on the video side of things on DSLR since the 5DMKIi revolutionary. However, the image as improved significantly over time

34 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Are those camera/imaging division only employees? I have my doubts. Now it’s clear how blackmagic is releasing what would traditionally be $8K+ for only $2.5K. 

Also explains why there products are littered with bugs. 

Doubt they even have a QA team over there 

1 hour ago, MochaP said:

Yes, Canon is still strong in still photography. However, the trend is that videos can draw much more attention than photo in today and it is not necessarily being professionally produced. Personally, I appreciate high quality still photos than average quality videos if I have choices. But the true experience is that videos are much stronger in a lot of aspect, especially in the sector of self learning in youtube. I am learning bakery through books and youtube and I should admit that latter one is more effective than still photos and descriptions on the books. 

Just imagine, 8K is coming and every still captured from video is already 30 megapixels. That's almost no need to take a still photo because every frame is already with more than enough resolution for everyday life. Of course, you may argue that still shot for commercial is necessary. It is the matter of art direct and creativity. The value and usage is different. But you can't deny the impact of video towards photography.

The way people go on like canon cameras shoots .3gp 240p quality. Never understood people who's say canon footage is unusable..

Dont get me wrong there are other competitors pushing the boundaries for video, most vlog content I come across on YouTube are mostly shot on canon. This dslr video market is smaller and more fickle than we think.. 

If you guys believe canon are done in the DSLR  video game, and believe other competitors offer better, why do these type of topics keep popping up every other quarter ? 

It's either people havent found what they are looking for in the dslr video format and I doubt they ever will..

Canons will always be a stills camera first and they wot change that ethos with their DSLRs.

I use them for photography strictly. Videos is my blackmagic. 

1 hour ago, kaylee said:

yooo anyone got a price on the 90D yet?

p.s. LETS HACK THAT B*ITCH

Is there still an appeal for ML hacking? I just feel like alot of cameras  have caught up. Although no dslr is shooting raw at the moment but the margin in trade off is getting shorter.

Not sure what people are really looking for in canon cameras these days. There message as been clear from day. You either shoot on the C line for video or DSLR for pics 

2 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

You're right about the link between sensor size and the mount, and a lot of people saw the LS3000 mount situation as a bit of a hack, or a 'that'll do' situation, rather than the clever pragmatic solution it actually was. What Blackmagic should have done with the 6K was ship it with an EF mount but make it removable, encouraging third parties to make mounts for it. That would open up the adapters route as well.

Why is it that some guy in a bedroom in China always has better ideas than the massive company making the thing in a big expensive factory?!

It's the way the game goes man. ?

YO!!!]

Wont mind this two on my 4k. I will void my warranty for this 

In the right hands, the rest is history.

8 hours ago, Video Hummus said:

I see GAS all over the place. Happens every time a new product is released. If anything it will help keep the companies afloat ? (this comment is brand agnostic). As long as BM releases better products at low prices (even if I don’t buy them) it’s a win down the road. 

!!!!!

4 hours ago, Kisaha said:

Nothing is future proof, except maybe the Giza pyramid!

4K is not obsolete. It will be when the majority of people buy 8K TVs and a production company asks for an 8K delivery. 

6K is good because it could improve your 4K workflow.

P4K is so cheap already that I doubt we will see a significant difference in price anytime soon.

What adapters and lenses do you use it with?

Yeah, I agree that no camera can be future proof. But, some cameras do stand the test of time at least for a 5-10 year period. Red, c100s and co.

Within the last 5-7 years, we can agree that the following are now dead in the water. Ursa , UM4k UM4.6K, Micro.

Personally, I like the pocket 4k. That was the camera I always wanted the first BMCC to be and with a few firmware upgrades there is soo much potential for improvement rather than a new system in such a short space of time.

I use a viltrox speed reducer and the Tamron 24-70 2.8 with my pocket 4k. No rigs, just body and battery and it's so convenient 

This is dope. 

However, I think this is way too soon and I worry that they could make the 4k obsolete  very soon. Even though I haven't owned it longer than 7 months. Is this the pattern they are rolling with. They are knocking cameras out way too soon for my liking. Bare in mind the 4k was suppose to be future proof. 

Anyhoo looking at the image I cant really see a significant improvement. I have fallen in love with the 4K and I think it's a gem as long as you shoot within it's sweet spot. 

Personally this is meh. I can't see the appeal for an upgrade but having an EF MOUNT is very ideal . 

#gamechanger 

Yeah I have heard that buzz word so many times. 

The camera just like the phone game as peaked. Other than a few innovative features. Focus improvement and what not, It's nothing new to see here.

Tools in the right hands always does wonders. Regardless of the cam 

4 hours ago, DBounce said:

The problem is too many people just go by the spec sheet. I don’t think anyone goes to the movies and gives a dam if the camera used was FF, S35, M43 or S16... they just watch the movie. Granted they notice how filmic it looks or doesn’t. Though they do this subconsciously. Just as they will notice cinematography.

The EOS R is a great camera. A better tool for the job than Sony, Nikon, Fuji and Olympus. Far more usable than P4k... because it requires so little to use effectively. You do not even need to grade... you can shoot with baked in colors and be happy all day.

It fashionable to knock Canon, but getting good results with the EOS R is painless. And when all is said and done, isn’t that what it’s all about?

Spot on. 

There is a reason why every time I attend an event (wedding , conference, sports etc) most of the camera men are using a canon.

There is a reason why many organisationuse the C_line for docs...

There is a reason why majority of the bloggers on YouTube use a canon.

Sometimes doing the basic so well is key.

I have said it before, their market isn't the video pixel peepers and spec sheet ambassadors.

Guys, even if the camera had magic lantern raw features it won't make a significant difference to their sales. 

This is just a sign of the times we are living in. Smartphones cameras and so many alternative options available in the camera market.