Rob6

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I don't like to be forced into this split personality way of working really.
Imagine if you're on location in some beautiful place and want to capture stills at the same time as video, quickly before the moment's gone. You can't ask nature or streets to pause like a video game whilst you reboot into Video OS 2000.
It's one of these things that you just can't justify being forced into.
Even things like separate GUI or exposure settings between video and stills mode should be a matter of choice.
Quickest way to shoot both is to have an all-purpose stills mode, with PSAM and then a video button.
Samsung NX1 got it right. Tap a button to instantly get 16:9 frame in stills mode and to shoot video.
No matter how technically interesting it is to have a Cinema EOS OS and Stills EOS OS on one camera.... the benefits don't outweigh the amount of missed shots there will be.
If you want an identical shot in video mode and in stills mode, and nothing has changed in the light from one second to the next why would I want to change exposure or have to set the same exposure twice for two modes?
I could be snapping merrily away in stills mode, nailing the exposure and all other settings, then switch to video mode and it will be completely off because it had been set earlier for a completely different scene?
Who wants that?
Does the EOS R5 C actually offer all of that or is it a crippled subset?
Assist tools, shutter angle, etc. is on the GH5 since like 4 years ago?
S1H and Blackmagic have LUT support, and so on.
So how about adding all that to the EOS R5 C in a normal way?... there is no need to hive it off into a Cinema EOS operating system that takes ages to boot up.
This thing is targeted at them!
EOS R5 C is a hybrid cam!
I completely accept it may be ok for you.
I can only say that from my point of view it's a pretty big flaw!

this is still a discussion on the hybrid camera with the 8 second delay right

I've been using a FXLion 50wh and 150wh vmount battery interchangeably with power through a usbc cord with a usb adaptor to connect to the battery side to power it.  For some reason the usbc out from the FXLion battery would not supply power to the fan but the USB port did.

Great shots, Andrew!
 

First one had a dent so he returned it. Second two wouldn't power on. Also poor costumer service. Pretty disappointing. 

That said I've never heard of a working unit failing in the field which is where it counts. 

Not saying buying a Blackmagic is a bad thing, I've got one myself! Have rented them too. And worked on many many many MANY shoots with BMD cameras. 

But I am saying, that I bet there is a large overlap between Blackmagic camera buyers and buyers of inappropriately cheap media. 

Have been using Samsung T5's since getting my Tilta cage for the P4K when it was first released. I chose the Tilta cage because it had, by far, the best cable system for USB-C and HDMI compared to ever other cage. My P4K has been used on major car ads mounted to vehicles, used in long form dramas and TVC's mounted to jibs, cranes, gimbals and used on docs in some rough and tumble environments.
Never had a single issue with any of the 4 500GB Samsung T5's I've got. (touch wood!)
Reliability wise, I have owned the P4K since it's release and received one of the first units and the only issue I had was a buzz in the audio when the camera was providing phantom power to the XLR port. BMD fixed this under warranty.
 

you could be right. it seems odd to me, as i learned a lesson quite some time ago about cheap media with a different camera. I preordered the p4k and it took about 5 months for mine to arrive. Which probably gave me additional time to research things abit. So i had a samsung t5 before the p4k arrived.
When purchasing a camera surely you'd also look at media requirements ?
Having said that i did still stick some other cards in it to see what i could get away with.  I guess there's always a tendency for people  to cheap out, if you already have some media.
I learned on lower setting some of my cards would work but not at the higher quality. I have yet to try it but i suspect i could also use a cheaper card if i set the p4k to use the timelapse setting of saving a frame out of tenth frame of so. Although using a cheaper card just for a timelapse is kind of  a unique option i think. There could be some merit in using a cheaper card, depending on your situation and budget. it may even be advantageous running one card for timelapsing and a t5 for video. however timelapse is a very small field of people i think and  thats about the only aspect that comes to mind where it would be practical, for me anyway.

great to hear you had a good experience!  I was using the Tilta cage also, had a couple of there locked in cables go bad within a year. Understandably, i really have a hard time trusting there products; I also have had other Tilta products with QC issues such as the Cage itself, T5 holder screw and a bad DC-Weipu cable. support was also non existent. It’s a shame because there design and ideas were so good! 
Anyway I ended up purchasing 3 Tilta cables and 2 SSD holders within a year. Would have saved money to go with Cfast earlier... although my shoots rarely need over 500gb but I get the allure of 1TB drives for £100
as for the BM... I’ve found that when you get a good unit it’s rock solid! 

100% Cfast all the way USBC is unreliable, introduces 3 points of failure 

All in all, I would just go with Cfast. Smaller/quicker/safer setup.

People who cheap out and buy a Blackmagic camera are also the same people who cheap out on their media... then blame the camera! Thus it is an important question you asked Robert ("what media exactly are they using??"). 

there's an approved list of cards for cameras here at the bmd forum
https://forum.blackmagicdesign.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=95785#p531283
you can use cheaper cards at some frame rates and quality levels. it tends to be an exercise in frustration figuring what you can get away with. Mind you that was with a p4k The 6k pro probably has higher minimum requirements.

Everyone I know uses the Samsung T5s

I would not record to external disk, I mainly use Cfasts on bm pockets, and never had any issue whatsoever. (pocket 4K and 6K)

I can't speak for the 6k, but I've never had a problem witb the 4k.
Blackmagic have a list of recommended media to record to. My first question would be, are the people experiencing issues using the recommended media, or cheaper alternatives?

I’ve never heard of an issue with file corruption on the P6k. I know a lot of people who use them. The only camera I’ve ever had that issue on was my Panasonic S1 and I’m pretty sure it was due to a bad card. 

Going to add the 1D X Mark III to the mix as well.
Not much to shoot and little colour in Berlin at the moment.
Not feeling inspired but will get on with it during the week probably.

5.1K Canon RAW Light would be welcome for the crop mode, especially in 50/60p.

When they add the lower bitrate Canon RAW Lite to the R5, it would be great if they added it for the APSC mode (5.1K) and up to 60p. 

I would do, but I left my 1D C in Berlin. Maybe some other time.
I am pretty sure the colour science is very similar on both.

I should think negatively more in the future so cool things like this happen in the future! So happy! I only wish I would have said it wouldn't have raw and no evf and no ibis at the same time so all those things would be included too!
 

Why no ibis?