Nathan Gabriel reacted to BTM_Pix in Would You Perhaps Be Interested In A Different GX80/85 Colour Profile???
So for anyone wanting to try this, I have made a really simple method to do it.
I have tested this numerous times on my GX80 and it has lived to tell the tale but obviously do this at your own risk.
All that this process does is fool the camera into thinking its talking to the smartphone app and then the commands it sends are exactly what the smartphone app sends. Or would do if the smartphone app thought it was talking to a camera equipped with Cinelike D !
So as such it is only getting sent what the Panasonic app would be sending to it so there are no hacky or sneaky debug things getting sent to it.
Again, though, proceed at your own risk.
Although I would say, if you’ve tried that region switching hack on YouTube with the 10 million key press combos during power up then you’re already brave enough to try this!
Bear in mind that my unit is a GX80 and the firmware is version 1.0
If you have a GX85 or have got a different firmware then I just don’t know because obviously I haven’t got any other devices to test it on.
Here we go then….
Follow these instructions exactly and you should have Cinelike D on your GX80/85
You will need a laptop or a phone with a browser, the camera and to download the simple html file attached.
1) Switch on camera and turn on wifi as though you were connecting the app and you should see the waiting screen on the camera
2) Load the Deploy Cinelike D.html file into your browser
3) Select ‘Handshake’
4) You should see the browser page change and it confirm that its connected to a GX80
5) Hit the back key on the browser
6) Select ‘Connect’
7) You should see the browser page change to say ‘ok’ and the camera give you an ‘Under Remote Control’ message
8) Wait until the camera screen shows you a live view
9) Hit the back key on the browser
10) Select ‘Deploy’
11) You should see the browser page change to say ‘ok’ and the camera should NOT now be displaying the Photo Style you had selected (i.e. Standard, Vivid etc)
12) Cinelike D is now active on the camera
13) If you go into the menu on the camera and select Photo Style you will see that it is blank and you can’t navigate to other Photo Styles such as Standard etc.
14) To restore the Photo Styles hit the back button on the browser and select ‘Restore’ and the camera will display the Standard photo style and you should then be able to go into Photo Styles and change them.
15) Repeat 9-14 to switch between them to your hearts content!
So, like other settings, the Cinelike D profile will persist when you switch the camera off so if you want to use the other Photo Styles again then you MUST go this process again to re-enable them.
However, if you would like to switch between them without using this method again (and who wouldn’t) here is a neat way round it.
When you’ve done Step 12 and got Cinelike D on, set all your other parameters (4K24p etc) as you’d like them and save these into C1 of the custom settings.
Then go to Step 14 and use the ‘Restore’ to get your standard Photo Styles back, set all your other parameters (4K24p etc) as you’d like them and then save these into C2 of the custom settings.
Now when you switch the camera on, you simply choose C1 to have Cinelike D or C2 for the standard Photo Styles and forget about using any nonsense about using browsers and wifi connections!
In couple of weeks I’m hoping to show you how you can do stuff like this and some other useful bits and pieces from a little hardware gadget that will work on the Panasonic cameras but have fun with this in the meantime.
DEPLOY CINELIKE D.html
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Cary Knoop in Panasonic G85 review - is there any need to get an Olympus E-M1 Mark II for video?
Fredrik, great test but there is a problem with your comparison.
You are actually clipping the highlights in the GX85 scenes. The GX85 provides video levels but does use out of range values for overhead. So in your NLE or color grading application you need to bring the out of range values into legal to compare the shots. If you keep out of range values then a lot of setups will clip the highlights because they expand limited to full range.
Here is the waveform before and after bringing the highlights into legal range.
The 100% values on the left are from the titles but notice there is more highlight information above it. The right side has brought the highlights into legal range and obviously the titles are now too low. For indoor it is not really an issue but if you make a video outside in bright lights the out of range highlights contain valuable information that you should not discard.
Nathan Gabriel got a reaction from jonpais in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
Thanks! I was, in fact, referring to the shake produced by longer focal length lenses when I said all my handheld shots were on a 12mm lens.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Dean in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
I have both now. It really just boils down to the handling I think when deciding which one to buy however there are differences. I doubt there is any difference in IQ for stills or video with these two cameras though. The G85 is amazing value for money IMO.
The G85 IMO is a nicer camera to use and work with because of it's form factor, but they both have their place in my life I'll keep both for sure. I like the G85 with the 12-35/2.8 and the 35-100/2.8 but the GX85 is just such great fun when used with the 15/1.7.
The G85 is nicer to hold and use. It's very solid feeling but very light at the same time ... I think there's only 70gm difference between the two bodies. The grip is just great on the G85 also (not talking about the optional grip ... just the grip on the actual cam). Weather sealing on the G85 is a plus for me as I enjoy shooting in the rain.
You also don't need to program the memory functions with the G85. When shooting around the streets or on vacation, I often quickly change between stills & video and also change between different types of stills shooting (static objects in Aperture priority with AF-S as well as moving people with Shutter priority, AF-S and burst mode & auto ISO. With the G85 I find I can make these adjustments VERY quickly with the dials on the cam as I'm approaching the subject ... I love this aspect of the G85 ... all it's dials.
I only briefly used Cinelike D and it seemed a lot flatter than standard profiles, but have no idea how it compares to -5 contrast on Natural. Haven't tried using FilmConvert over the CineD profile but I'm sure it's good.
The EVF is nicer on the G85.
Haven't used the G85 that much, but it feels like the internal IBIS is better on the G85 when used with the 12-35/2.8. Even the 35-100/2.8 was super stable when filming all the way out to 100mm. Maybe it's just the larger form factor of the G85 that makes it feel more stable ... not sure.
If I had to choose one I'd take the G85 though ... excellent handling, nice EVF and a flippy screen with dials everywhere in a tough but small package !!
The G85 feels very goldilocks to me ... very much reminds me of using my most goldilocks of all AF film cameras ... the Nikon F80
Only thing missing is min shutter speed with auto iso but thats missing in every freaken pana camera !!!!!!!! MAYBE the GH5 will have this but probably not.
.... And ... why can't we have a paid VLOG option for the G85 !!!
Here's a nice comparison between the two cams for you ...
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Cary Knoop in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
The GX85 delivers video levels (16-235) but does record "illegal" values as well.
That's why it is essential to ensure values are brought within legal range in post otherwise you may actually clip or crush data.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Andrew Reid in Sony Will Announce the A6500
It wouldn't be quite the rip off it is if Sony had done what they should have done.
Announce the A6300 and A6500 TOGETHER at the same time and likewise back when the A7R II was announced, release it with the A7S II at the same time, allow us to make a choice and to buy just one, not stumble into the A7R II or A6300 then end up buying the A6500 or A7S II as well because they're better specced for video...
I actually think as a sales tactic this is disastrous and we will tire of it very quickly.
They have maintained this illusion of constant technological progress... if you think however that in the 6 months between the A6300 and A6500 suddenly Sony invented 5 axis image stabilisation and a touch screen you are mistaken.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Fredrik Lyhne in GH5 Prototype
They're both set to Natural 0, 0, 0, 0. WB 6000 K and the same lens. No color correction. Even with the same settings the GX85 is a little brighter so maybe that have something to do with it? In that video the WB is almost spot on with the GH4, whilst the GX85 is very different although they were both set to 6000 K.
After making a few comparisons I agree with you that the GH4 has slightly better highlight rolloff and yields a more pleasing image (less contrasty), especially with Cine D and off course V-log. On the other hand when I actually used the cameras it was easier for me to achieve better results with the GX85 due to new color science and noise performance.
If the GH4 sensor wasn't so noisy I wouldn't have sold it as I really liked that camera! When the GH5 finally arrives with the best of both +++ I will upgrade as soon as possible and probably keep that camera for years to come.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to tosvus in GH5 Prototype
I think it would be cool to have it on the GX85, but I am in the camp that will likely get the G85, just because it does have these features like mic jack for Video. Sure, it is not outstanding quality, but for some things it will do (the same cannot be said for GX85 built in mic), and besides I can at least record a half decent sync track that would be easier to match with a recording from a dedicated recorder.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to sanveer in GH5 Prototype
I know, I did read most of the specs of the Major Panasonic releases.
I am talking about the GX85, the Rangefinder version of the G/GH series minus the extra features of the GH series. Since the GX85 and G85 share pretty much most of the features (except weather sealing and a mic jack, and many not so major changes), there seems no reason not to have the CibeLike Profiles for the GX85.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Fredrik Lyhne in GH5 Prototype
Check out the thread below for some spec comparison between the GX85 and G85 which is basically the same camera with better ergonomics etc. There's a and first look from B&H on the G85 which is very informative.
Here's a video showing both noise and crop comparison between the GX85 and GH4. As you can see there is less crop in the GX85 and that's probably going to be the same or better on the G85. As for image quality I sold my GH4 when I got the GX85, but I will pick-up a GH5 as soon as it's released.
Nathan Gabriel got a reaction from tosvus in GH5 Prototype
So I know everyone wants to talk about how the GH5 should be as close to an Arri as possible, but I was really intrigued by the G80 announcement. I'm an armature, budget minded and not ashamed. The lack of a headphone socket is really annoying for the G80, but I already have a GH3 so I'm not too worried about that. The big question I have is if the 4k video is a crop of the sensor like the GH4 or if it is the same framing as the 1080p mode? Does anyone know? How do you expect the G80 video will compare to the GH3? I know some people said the G7 actually had better noise than the GH4... Besides the lack of a headphone jack, is there anything else I should be wary of from a camera like the G80? I've been really happy with my GH3 for what it is.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to tupp in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
At Cinegear, I asked a Panasonic salesman about the HDMI output of both the GX85 and the G7, and he insisted that both gave 8 bit, 4:2:0 video out of HDMI.
Later, I went to the Atomos booth, and asked a rep if any of their recorders could sense the bit depth and chroma sub-sample of a camera signal (to test the outputs of the G7 and GX85). He said no, but after taking a swig from his beer, he boasted that he knew the output specs on every camera and that the G7 was definitely 8 bit, 4:2:2. After I offered a US$5 wager that the G7 wasn't 8 bit, 4:2:2, we went to the Panasonic booth to find out the answer.
With the tipsy Atomos rep at my side, suddenly the Panasonic salesman was not so sure as before. He admitted that the output of some cameras haven't been tested, but that the corporate office instructed the sales reps to say 8 bit, 4:2:0 for most cameras. However, he was definitely sure that the G7 output 8 bit, 4:2:0.
So, I don't know what to tell you. Hopefully, someone will connect the GX85 to a capable monitor/recorder/analyzer and post the answer here.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Andrew Reid in Canon XC10 versus Sony RX10 III. The Canon is underrated!
The ones who are confused clearly were like me when I didn't own an XC10, just looking at the specs and even the JPEG resolution (for reasons only they can know!) and thinking that it is an expensive, odd product, lagging behind Sony in the specs race.
Try one, get to know it, look at the images, you will be surprised like I was what a lot of fun it is and how great the images can be.
I'll upload some footage, still shooting with it.
Better all-round cameras? Maybe, but what if you want 422 internal 305Mbit 4K and 24-240mm zoom though?! Not much to compete with that in one-body for under $2k, especially not with the colour and ergonomics of the Canon.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to majoraxis in Canon XC10 versus Sony RX10 III. The Canon is underrated!
Re: I wouldn't replace my GX80 with the XC10 and lose the use of interchangeable lenses, etc.
You have piqued my curiosity: Will there be a GX80/85 with Black Magic Video Assist 4K Pro Res vs internal 4K vs the XC10 C-Log 4K video comparison?
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Andrew Reid in Canon XC10 versus Sony RX10 III. The Canon is underrated!
Sharpness: digitally applied
Resolution: number of megapixels on the sensor
Final image: a combination of sensor readout, image processing, compression, noise and all sorts of things - and yes digital sharpening in-camera or in-post
People need to start noticing when an image has been sharpened so they don't mistake this for better resolution.
Because it is preferable NOT to have it done in-camera.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Jan G in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
I had a holiday in Greece, and right before I left I could pic up a GX80 in my camera store. I really like the small form factor for travelling. That's al so the reason why I use mainly 4/3 lenses with it.
So for my kind of use its a great little camera.
In the link is a little piece I made with it, no colour grading are post stabilisation.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to Astro in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
I have already seen footage from the GX85 that I like, (there is a new link on Personal Views that is very smooth and filmic looking, also have a look at Paul Leemings reel GH4 and Red Epic...some really nice stuff there (I just dont agree all Panny Mirrorless have a non filmic look...I have seen too many exceptions to that statement),
having said that there are some GX85 clips online that I don't like (for the same reasons you don't.
But Softness and filmic is a combination of the lens and the shooters skill, plus you can wind out the in cam sharpening in the GH4 and I assume the GX85.
So there is a ton of control, its really up to the shooter.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to John Matthews in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
I just sent an email to Panasonic France to confirm HDMI output. They need to be clear on this point. Sounds too good to be true if 10bit 4:4:4... or even 10bit 4:2:2. That would be huge for some people on this forum. Personally, I'm not sure to use it in that way, but just knowing I could is really cool.
Nathan Gabriel got a reaction from tupp in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
For Linux I highly recommend kdenlive. It's easily the best free NLE I've seen, it handles my gh3 footage no problem. I know there are better proprietary options, but you might be surprised at how capable kdenlive is.
Nathan Gabriel reacted to TheSicilianGuy in An adventure into the Panasonic GX85/80 begins - and a look at the Leica Nocticron for Micro Four Thirds
In the description it says that he voluntarily did not correct the images.. go figure! Quite the charming video, though, and lovely playing.
Some shots are quite detailed and sharp (though less than what I've seen from the GX80/85 until now), others are just a blurry mess (like the one at 3:04). What gives?
How would you compare the gx80's sharpness and detail in 4k video against your GH4? Is it better, worse or same?
And now a quick question for those who already have this camera: is grading with the natural profile that much of a far cry from the CineLike? Cause I read this camera doesn't have a Cine profile, and I was wondering whether this can prove or not a real dealbreaker for someone who wants to shoot some good video too, although using it mainly as stills camera.
I have reserved a GX80 from Amazon.de (btw, if you're interested, lowest GX80 prices in Europe, as far as I've seen) and it's bound to ship next month, but I'm still researching like crazy, even though I've already read a lot on this camera and I'm 95% sure of wanting to do that DSLR-> Mirrorless (m43) jump, especially with this camera, which looks to be a pretty good piece of equipment all around.
Also, great article, this also made me discover Zoo Quest! Great stuff. And since this is my first post here, hello everyone.