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9 hours ago, Shirozina said:

There is already a pro version of the P4k - it's called an Ursa.......

 

* Zcam E2.

3 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

What's the point of the big bad screen on the back of the Pocket then?

They may as well have left it off.

It sucks up power and doesn't point in the direction you need it to, and you can barely see it in sun light.

Of course, nobody in Blackmagic pointed this out to the design team!

I'd agree. They should have done a BMMCC style body with EVF on top. Makes a lot more sense to me, then you can also choose the screen you want without having to lug an obsolete one around with you.

9 minutes ago, mercer said:

That’s true, but the FD 50mm 1.2 isn’t THAT much bigger. I already have a 1.4 Zeiss ZF that has that quintessential “vintage” look wide open but sharpens up nicely by f/2, 2.8 so my hope is the 1.2 FD will sharpen up at 1.4 and be razor sharp by 2.8 so I can sell the 1.4 FD and the Zeiss.

With that being said, the FD 1.4 is surprisingly sharp wide open.

Honestly I drew the same conclusions as this person - https://lensqaworks.com/2018/09/12/lenswars-canon-fdn-50mm-f-1-2-vs-canon-fdn-50mm-f-1-4/

I just can't justify the price or weight when I'm carrying this stuff around 80% of my life, especially if there's no perceivable advantage to me. Who knows, maybe there's some super copies out there that tip the scales, but I'm sure it still wouldn't be enough for anyone but yourself to notice.

3 minutes ago, mercer said:

Will do, I have a nFD 50mm 1.4 that was modified to Nikon F so I will make sure the 1.2 L is worth the extra money. Of course, everything I’ve read and have been told claims that it is. But if it isn’t, I’ll surely sell it and make almost double what I paid for it.

It doesn’t really have to be that sharp wide open, 1.2 or faster lenses are really only useful for extremely low light or for that dreamy effect. So the question will be how sharp it is at 1.4 and f/2 compared to the 1.4 version...

Hopefully it’s noticeably sharper because the red band makes me feel cool.

Well yeah, my other thoughts are that I never shoot video at 1.2 let alone 1.4 anyway, so I don't see the point of carrying the extra weight and cost around with me when I believe they look very similar. 

Sounds good man! Glad you are enjoying yourself. I hate to tell you this, but people have been doing similar mods for closer focus for quite some time.

You should do a test after this on the L versus the peasant models ? . From my tests the L simply aren't worth the extra over the slightly slower models, most the time the Ls aren't really sharp enough to use wide open anyway and at the same apertures both lenses are so close it's hard to pick them apart, sometimes the slower is even better ? . I have a set of nFD, I really like them.

3 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I'm really happy with my purchase and I'm likely to jump on the preorder to get the APS-C camera with a m43 mount. 

I'm thinking about that too, but I also know I should probably just stick to the E2 and worry about other stuff  .

4 hours ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

I know the image quality is very good but how do you like the color science? 

Using the OFX Zcam plugin it's my favourite affordable camera to work with so far. If you want Alexa colours you can get them with ease. Most the tests I've seen are from people who hardly know how to use a camera let alone the E2. If I compare it to my GH5 colours (and ease of use manipulating those colours and whitebalance/ exposure) it's worlds apart.

11 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

You are underselling the pocket 4K here though. It has a 5" monitor build in its body, they could address some of these features in a firmware update. Not sure if they will though. But nothign can touch the pocket 4K cost wise. 

That screen is pretty useless for me personally, but I could see it maybe being useful if you shoot dslr style (something the E2 isn't primarily designed for of course). My use of the P4K was pretty awkward, maybe it's just me but that screen is odd to use, I wish they had just given it an EVF and not a screen (also a smaller body). 

They wont be addressing any of those things in BM firmware updates, they have already said that. Also it will never have anamorphic modes as BM have said it's a 16:9 sensor, which really makes me question whether it is indeed the exact same sensor as E2 or GH5s in the first place.

Don't get me wrong P4K is an amazing buy, so is E2.

Sensors are important, but doesn't make different cameras the same because of it. P4K, E2, GH5s should tell you that.

P4K is "cheaper" because it lacks many options that the E2 delivers on (full sensor use, anamorphic modes and de-squeeze, multicam pixel level sync, 120fps 4K, etc, etc), also because it has a cheap ergonomic nightmare of a body that batteries get stuck in and dirt/dust gets trapped in. It doesn't surprise me at all that it's cheaper than E2, if P4K were the same price it would be a rip off in comparison.

Personally I bet Zcam will sell a ton of their cameras over the 2K price point.
 

8 minutes ago, androidlad said:

It is the A7 III/Mavo LF sensor IMX410, without PDAF mask of course.

The 8K one is IMX455.

The product isn't for sale yet... Yes maybe it will be that sensor, but talking about products that don't even exist based on having an inkling about the sensor it will have is pretty stupid, which is the part of his posts I'm opposed to.

15 minutes ago, Laurier said:

Just compare the P4k to the E2, they share the same sensor, the P4k is cheaper and have better features overall, ( the only thing going for the E2 is 120fps 4k , but the quality is horrible)

You talk so much crap it's insane. You clearly haven't had or used either of these cameras. They are totally different cameras, of which I'd argue E2 has many better features, also better colour.

25 minutes ago, Laurier said:

Technically neither the E2 6kFF

But you can already compare it to a A7iii since it s probably going to be the same sensor.

Exactly what I'm saying...

"probably going to be", i.e. you actually have no idea.

8 minutes ago, Kisaha said:

If you take history as our guide (and people should do), nothing indicates that such an A7sIII is even remotely possible, for the simplest of the reasons, such an A7sIII would be better than - almost - ALL the professional Sony cameras that exist today.

The most profitable Sony cameras right now are definitely the FS5 and 7 cameras. Do you truly believe that Sony will have a better than those cameras in September, for half or 1/3 of the money, while they still sell like hot cakes (especially the FS7mkII is a staple in most low budget productions all over the world right now)?!

There isn't even a camera with similar specs to price ratio to the forthcoming Z cameras, or to the P4K for that matter, so the speculation and imagination can't even point us to any possible reality right now.

 

Exactly.

26 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

haha sorry

All good ??.

27 minutes ago, Laurier said:

Well , Sony said that they want to go over customer expectation, customer expectations are 10 bits out and 60fps in 4k that what the sony CEO said in the last interview.
Looking at the tech and the last sensor released , we can also expect a stacked back lit sensor, so very low to no rolling shutter.

On top, either the current eye AF in video or the new object tracking tech from the a9 .

What the E2 6k FF is , is a A7iii sensor with 60fps/compressed raw for 5k usd , without monitor, which is still a good price don t get me wrong.

But the A7siii will be cheaper with more recent tech, and similar specs.

Better customer services, better resale value ect...

That a pragmatic look .

But really, video autofocus on FF was a game changer for me , shooting on a shoulder rig with a 135mm at 2.8 and having a perfect subject tracking is just mad.

You talk a lot about what is "better" for a product that doesn't actually exist and you have no real idea of what it will be.

24 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Hoping on BRAW or something similar instead. I dont have the budgets to store 6K or 8K RAW files on my disks.  

6 hours ago, tweak said:

There won't be ProRes Raw or Braw, they have already said many times.

Do you read threads or just post whatever you are thinking at the time? ? Sorry I had to say it ✌️?‍♀️.

I've heard the A7siii will make all cameras obsolete.

On 4/4/2019 at 1:19 PM, rdollase said:

Hi,

I have read the discussion about some people having trouble with black 'pillar bars' with the Small HD monitor but I am having this problem with the Ninja Flame, when trying to record the GH5's 3328 x 2496 'anamorphic mode' signal...instead of a 3328 x 2496 recording, I get a 3840x 2160 recording with the image in a box in the middle with black bars on either side.  Has anyone had this problem, or is anyone aware of what settings I may have wrong either on the recorder or the camera?  Thanks

Yes. The HDMI protocol doesn't support above 4K signal (same issue as previously in this thread and also on GH4). 2496 high is more than 2160 which is 4K spec that GH5/4 sends over HDMI for recording.

see - https://www.hdmi.org/manufacturer/hdmi_1_4/4k.aspx

1 hour ago, IronFilm said:

E2C has 10bit but not raw

Bit surprising they haven't shipped it yet

They've partnered with a company to make a monitor which is touch screen and works to control their camera, like RED does (but their monitor is waaaaaaaaay cheaper than RED's is!!). So if you get a Z Cam that would make more sense than buying a Shinobi or Swit

Yep you want to get the new Portkeys 5inch monitor (BM5) releasing soon. 2000nit brightness and can control the camera via touchscreen (HDMI and SDI compatible).

I've heard there's some issues with the Shinobi + Zcam already, not sure if it's sorted yet.

p.s. Not to mention you get better quality and options recording internal with the Zcam, external recorders are pointless with such a camera. Something to keep in mind for those thinking of getting the Ninja. There won't be ProRes Raw or Braw, they have already said many times.

12 minutes ago, m0fe said:

Here is a 3 part look into the Zcam E2 which looks at colour science, rolling shutter and a lot of other things when compared to the poker 4K and the GH5

 

Keep in mind that E2 footage is using older firmware and I'm pretty sure also not using the Zcam OFX plugin (which is an amazing tool for accurate changes).

1 hour ago, AnthonyBert said:

Sorry to disappoint - Went for a test of the Zcam E2 with CVP in London: 16 stop - Not true, unless the C200 has 17 stops - Testing along side C200 and more DR on C200  - The camera is well made and has an interesting size, but for me the rolling shutter was the deal breaker... It is a good effort thought. Lovely little screen on the top, but it needs to be off centred a bit more. Solid construction. I did not buy it just because of the rolling shutter. The image coming out is very nice. Autofocus I did not try but talking to Philip Bloom at the BVE he clearly expressed that the AF was unusable....

What are you shooting (and in what modes) that rolling shutter is such an issue? I moved from GH5 to E2 shooting sports and watching my footage back I can't see a difference in rolling shutter, they are almost identical and certainly not an issue unless I'm freezing frames on a whip pan.

6 hours ago, Andrew Reid said:

Did somebody just say Anamorphic Mode?

All Zcams have anamorphic modes and de-squeeze pre-sets in camera for monitoring. It's really nice because you will use full screen realestate on monitors un-like GH5, where I get a smaller windowed de-squeeze on some monitors. Also it supports more de-squeeze options than GH5.

11 hours ago, Mako Sports said:

https://www.4kshooters.net/2019/04/03/kinefinity-rolls-out-the-brand-new-kineevf-with-micro-oled-1080p-display/

Looks good, not really "affordable" either though.

Would have been cool if they made it more universal (or made some kind of break out plug for it) as I'm sure they would sell a ton more of them at the size and price over Zacuto. But then again I have a suspicion it's probably made by Zacuto and they may have an agreement to keep it proprietary.

8 hours ago, IronFilm said:

I certainly love how much interaction they're having with all sorts of people on social media, my worries though are:
1) a few loud voices can sway them in going in perhaps the wrong direction for the overall market (for instance their first focus for them after the E2 was in making a global shutter camera, not a good pick in my opinion)
2) their prices seem to be going up and up and up.....  soon they will no longer be a cheaper alternative to Panasonic MFT cameras, but instead they'll be competing directly with Kinefinity. And I'd hope they don't overlap like that. Is better for there to be two Chinese companies which have one targeted at (cheaper) high end cameras, and the other one targeting (cheaper) mid/low end affordable cameras. 

It helps they seem to be basing them all on the same general "E2" platform / body.  But with different sensors/mounts. 

Their are cages made specifically for the E2

1. They listen to people, but I don't think that group is dictating their sole direction, the biggest thing they take from there is small feedback on how to improve their existing designs and ideas. m43 mount on an ASPC cam as an example.

2. Their prices haven't been made public yet for the FF cams. APSC cam is 4K, which if you analyse the market would still be the best value for money 6K 60fps camera available by a decent margin.

8 hours ago, Laurier said:

Yep , well the blackmagic pocket 4k is more or less the terra 4k for 1/3 of the price.

But by the time they come out, it will probably have to compete with the A7s3, at that point I expect the A7s3 to kill all other sub 10k camera for video in term of performance/price.
It s getting more and more probable that we will get some form of video raw out of it, so the benefit of a a mavo LF/E2 FF would be a lot less obvious.

The pocket isn't the same as the Terra IMO, not really close. Have you used them both? Sensor doesn't = camera. Try an E2 and a P4K and you will see.

There's a lot of what ifs in your statement. For one we have no idea of what, and how much the A7s3 will be, certainly we have no idea whether it will have ProRes or Raw video internal. Also we can almost guarantee the A7s3 won't have the same convenient form factor as an E2 with zero overheating issues (that we already know). Also Kinefinity and Zcam are pretty far apart in price, I wouldn't really lump them together.

5 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Has anybody used a ZCAM product here before? How is it like? Is it stable(bugs like kinefinity)? How is the support(do they have a EU/US division)?  Have not seen any video's either though.

7 hours ago, tweak said:

I recently purchased an E2 and I'm really impressed, for the money it's amazing, even if they changed nothing from this point I'd still be satisfied I got my monies worth.

2 hours ago, andrgl said:

They’re planning to release 5 cameras in 2019:

E2 C

E2 GS

E2 S35 6K

E2 FF 6K

E2 FF 8K

 

Canon and Sony are slow, old, behemoths. Literally dumpster fires of money. They need to sell 10,000x units to make a penny.

Being a tiny company in China you could stay afloat selling 500 cameras a year. Their government basically subsidizes industry with cheap loans and no cost shipping.

All these cameras share a lot in common, the main thing is switching out the sensors, it's not as though they are designing totally new cameras from scratch. 

It's amazing really that camera companies have somehow convinced us all that this type of thing takes years to do... Hats off to Zcam shaking things up.

6 hours ago, androidlad said:

Now the firmwares for their cameras will never come out of beta...

They are using the same bodies and systems etc. I have faith, they are making huge leaps all the time. People said Prores would never happen, yet they have delivered and are about to release a new firmware with Raw, HLG and some other goodies. I don't know how they do it, but they do. 
I recently purchased an E2 and I'm really impressed, for the money it's amazing, even if they changed nothing from this point I'd still be satisfied I got my monies worth.

21 hours ago, buggz said:

This is bad, as I stay in "6K" HLG mode MOST of the time.

Panasonic should really fix this, by offering a 4k, or smaller signal out to HDMI at the same time.

They've said before it won't be fixed.

13 hours ago, IronFilm said:

$1.2K? Nah I'll pass

Yep, me to. Disappointing but expected. I'm sure someone will come to the party under the $800 mark soon.

I mean it's so hard to justify that price when I could just buy a whole GH5 for the same price with pretty good EVF built in + camera on top.