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Probably 8 bit V-Log L.
Not usable if so and pretty much a G90 in a slightly smaller housing.

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

So Panasonic has the balls to market a G100 (which given the name may be in the same line as the G95/G99) as a vlogging camera.

I’m speculating it may have ToF device like the new iPad Pro for AF.

I have no evidence to present only that I find that more likely than Panasonic implementing PDAF! 🙃😂

I hope it comes with better codecs than the Sony ZV1, preferably 10 bit and V-Log L at least.
Otherwise just go with the ZV1 and shoot HLG.

1 hour ago, no_connection said:

That looks like temporal NR gone wrong.

Don't really look like compression artifact, but could be broken compressor.

By the looks in the quick glance I gave the youtube video it's probably noise reduction. Sony likes to use massive temporal noise reduction to pretend their cameras are good in low light.

In one of the images it looks like ghost teeth on the phone.so it might be broken memory compression or something.

It kinda looks like both.
Heavy temporal NR and shitty codec - ingredients for nightmares.

Reason why I would recommend getting Panasonic (S1H received an update), Blackmagic or Canon cameras, but also the Fuji XT4 seems fine when NR and sharpening are turned to lowest.

2 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

 

Color looks great on basically every RED camera since IPP2 - the Komodo included.
Going to try it out at some point.

2 hours ago, Sage said:

I 'd like to support the S1 directly eventually, though there are some hefty items I'm working on at the present moment. 

Hoping you can figure it out.
Both the S1 and S1H look exactly the same color-wise. Same sensor, same gamut/gamma, the S1 is just a tad sharper because of the missing OLPF.

Would love to see a proper conversion for full V-Gamut, although the official V35 conversion is quite good already. 

Some pretty nice looking new footage

2 hours ago, austinchimp said:

Looks great! Love the colours - how did you grade it? Looks Arri-ish

Using my new V-Log Lut basically. Still developing 😅

Here's some seriously underexposed S1H 4K DCI ALL-I footage (original and denoised/graded) at ISO51200.
To me it looks better than ISO4000 on the GH5 which I used in my debut feature film in a night scene. I'm quite impressed with the latest firmware update 2.0.
I think when exposed properly I can easily push it one stop further in grading to get usable ISO102400

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1zbdx7sq9yymT12_7ddr2v0uXFy2h8T24?usp=sharing

1 minute ago, androidlad said:

A7S II has the unique advantage of going way beyond ISO25600 and still provide a usable image. Using an external recorder bypasses most of the NR and compression artifacts.

BBC used A7S II with external recorder for some ultra low light scenes in Planet Earth II.

It bypasses NR externally? That's good.
The A73 sadly does not. Ghosting is almost as bad as the S1H was before the update.

Just now, thebrothersthre3 said:

Good point. I am guessing the A7S2 with an external recorder would probably win though. 

If they're coming with a new sensor maybe, they still may add huge amounts of NR which have been quite destructive on past Sony cameras and cannot be bypassed by using an external recorder.

23 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Interesting,

I had seen some people saying they believing the S1 had a dual ISO sensor as it seems to get cleaner when you bump from a lower ISO to a higher one (like 3200 cleaner than 1600 or something like that).

Both the S1 and S1H basically produce the same image with the same native ISO values of 640 and 4000. The S1H looks great till ISO12800 with proper exposure and good enough after some denoising at ISO25600.

It blows both the A73 and A7sII out of the water doing that because it's basically free of noise reduction artifacts, while especially the A73 is a mess.

18 minutes ago, PannySVHS said:

@deezid That would be super cool!!:) Did you come across problems with the original battery? My camera shuts off at 20% battery power left. Have been using my S1 very moderately. Issue occured after six months of usage.:/

Never happened here
Maybe something is wrong with the battery.

1 hour ago, PannySVHS said:

@deezidzero sharpening look is looking good! Was it shot at 1080p or 4K? Image looks creamy. What lens did you use? How is the S1 holding up to the S1H with the FW 2.0?

was shot with the Canon 24-105 F4 lol in 4K 48p and 6K24p
The S1 isn't as smooth and organic in my last comparison. Need to do some further testing as soon as I am in Munich again.

On 5/31/2020 at 8:54 AM, Mike Mgee said:

@deezid How come you never picked up a F6?

After firmware 2.0 I see less reasons to do so. Would love some more less cropped high frame rate options.
Overall 2.0 is quite impressive for V-Log.

Magenta tint seems gone
Orange/yellow lights won't burst into noise anymore
Sharpening seems to be turned off
Noise reduction -1 fixes the motion related issues, also much nicer grain pattern which matches the framerate (temporal NR seems to be gone entirely)
 

Here's a small test I did for an upcoming music video
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1pUW5itKQn2Jjz1pqkqh4sPxB-IgnOWgE/view?usp=sharing

Just now, MeanRevert said:

For the 120P, BMPCC6K also does 2.8K while the S1H can only do 1080.  

That's what I said 😄
P6K cleaner slow motion, S1H line skipped (1080p).

Wish they could do more with the Sony sensor like Z-Cam (F6) or soon Sony itself (FX9) are doing.

Just now, Emanuel said:

Well, I'd just tend to disagree on that one anyway... : ) I immediately get when find the greenish Panny's sensor trace behind and my eyes don't "feel" the same from Aussies' footage ; -)

Both use Sony sensors though.
V-Gamut tends to be kinda magenta with strong and vibrant reds after proper conversion tbh, but at least primaries are spot on and roll-off is fine - not great while on BMD, nah, let's not talk about this mess called BMD Film V4 🤢

42 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

What's your input versus P6K BTW Dennis @deezid?

Pocket 6K
- better codec, raw options, small, great performance
- better screen
- better menu system
- better slow motion quality but crop

S1H
- better color (V-Gamut) and better dynamic range/low light
- much better battery life - no rig needed
- IBIS
- no crop 120p but line skipping and what seems like 10 bit readout

Artifacts are a non-issue on both now that Panasonic finally fixed the NR (-1 setting) and H265 codec issues. Motion cadence also looks similar on the S1H now.

5 hours ago, Alpicat said:

This is shot in V-Log and edited in Adobe Premiere which is able to handle the H.265 files pretty well. Would have preferred using Davinci Resolve Studio but it struggles a lot with these files even though I have a fairly good computer (AMD 3950X with an RTX2080 graphics card).

Noticed the same on all my Windows installations of Resolve Studio recently. Cannot really work with 6K 10 bit footage properly but works just fine in Resolve Studio on Linux 🙃

5 hours ago, Mike Mgee said:

@deezid How was the motion cadence before when shooting in 4k? Is there a difference between 4k + 6k?

Both were affected, but 6K was much worse even.
Now both 4K and 6K modes are working as expected. Just make sure to turn NR down to -1.
Also, no more banding using the 6K modes.

Just now, thebrothersthre3 said:

Let us know how 6k is working, big reason to buy the camera IMHO especially if it gets a legit 12.8 stops in 6k. 

The extra 0.6 stops was due to heavy NR in the 6K modes. The -1 deactivates TNR which also means these modes are finally usable without any ghosting at all. The footage looks really clean still, although not as clinical and sterile anymore, much more organic. Something you'd expect from RED cameras which also use light amount of spatial filtering.

Just now, FranciscoB said:

Hows the 6k with the new firmware? Is it now usable? I'm curious because I like the aspect ratio of the 6k.

It is, no more banding as it seems, will do a blue sky test tomorrow. 
Also HDMI monitoring works now with 6K recording. 

Loving the aspect ratio as well. 😄

Just now, Mike Mgee said:

Samples / Before/After please

I can now shoot without having to worry about ghosting, smearing in V-Log.
NR has to be set to -1 though. TNR seems to be entirely off though and motion cadence is great now.

12 hours ago, Lux Shots said:

First full frame camera that's Netflix Approved, with 6K and ProRes RAW on deck? Don't hold your breath buddy!

Also the image - especially after the update - blows the competition out of the water.
Codecs are improved now - so is the color gamut/mapping and (temporal) NR can be turned off now.

15 hours ago, MeanRevert said:

Pretty obvious that there's a big quality jump.  I think you have to use an external recorded though.

And what is the file size difference between the 2?

I think with the new update and the NR -1 setting coming the amount of detail and texture should be quite similar to RAW.

14 hours ago, TheBoogieKnight said:

One thing I don't get (and I've seen it on a few videos recently) is how the S1/S1H render some reds as a vivid orange, but only certain shades (other reds don't get affected at all). It doesn't look like it's sensor related as a recent test with RAW showed the effect vanished! One's the Pocket 6k, the other the S1H.

Did you use the official Lut? Usually it actually shifts towards the magenta side.

Only explanation I have is you didn't convert to Rec709 properly.

14 hours ago, TheBoogieKnight said:

One thing I don't get (and I've seen it on a few videos recently) is how the S1/S1H render some reds as a vivid orange, but only certain shades (other reds don't get affected at all). It doesn't look like it's sensor related as a recent test with RAW showed the effect vanished! One's the Pocket 6k, the other the S1H.

Did you use the official Lut? Usually it actually shifts towards the magenta side.

Only explanation I have is you didn't convert to Rec709 properly.