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14 hours ago, stephenkraus said:

How did you record in 48p? is this in VFR in 8 bit, or did you record the anamorphic mode and crop in post? Not seeing 48p 10bit as a native S35 or Full Frame option

48P is availabe in NTSC and Cinema modes in 10 bit on the S1H 😉

35 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

The S1H is clearly better here, you can clearly see the pixel steps with the Sony while the Panasonic is completely smooth.

Also I have to go really hard on neat video to create this look in the second picture 🤣

1 hour ago, Video Hummus said:

All cameras have their faults. I do recall the S1H had horrible temporal noise issues. They are fixed now. Give Sony a break. My god.

Sony didn't care fixing the temporal noise reduction issues and oversharpening since the A7s2.

So, no break for Sony. This is not a camera made for narrative work. The Sony Videolook and missing DCI4K and missing shutter angles and true 24p made it quite clear.

I honestly expected much more.

4 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

and kept the spirit of the A7S camera intact.

You mean they kept the noise reduction artifacts and oversharpening?
Yep, they did indeed. The ZV-1 looks the same even.

20 minutes ago, Caleb Genheimer said:

Honestly it’s past time for Tilta or similar to just make a stand-alone AF module that controls their focus motors. Then any camera could have decent AF! 
 

AF this, AF that... it’s just a tool. Sure, you shouldn’t use it all the time, but there are times where it is the tool for the job. Heck, I’d trust Canon’s AF on my 16mm camera most of the time (if that was a thing,) because I’ve tried pulling focus off that tiny ground glass, and it’s just not reliable. As is, I have to get an extra pair of hands and a tape measure to avoid wasting film on blurry takes.  

that would also work with my manual lenses 😄

Just now, Video Hummus said:

We can have both, no? Something something about eating cake....😎

"All I want is the perfect camera..."
Sadly there's no such thing. The Sony sounded great on paper but the footage looks super underwhelming because of the heavy processing especially.

5 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

Yes, but at this point, if it had competent AF it would be the affordable cinema level camera for the those you tubers as well. Go back and look at the comments on PM’s videos when he used the 1DX..people lusting over having one so they could be “like him”. Not saying its right, just saying perceived image is part of the equation in selling products.

It’s moments like these with flagship FF cameras from Panasonics direct competitors self-combusting on the interwebs, is exactly why they need someone out there trumpeting their reliable, workhorse, cameras. It’s marketing 101.

True, but I'm not going to sacrifice image quality, color science, DCI4K, true 24p, shutter angles, waveform, a screen I can use outside of available light and reliability over proper autofocus.
And yes, I wish autofocus was somewhat usable as it would push sales for sure. 😉

14 hours ago, PabloB said:

I don't believe that's true. Nikon when they released the Z6 it had a ton of sharpening on the image. Sony was in my eyes is just very detailed from the downsampling. Canon with their aggressive AA filter give a nice image feel at the expenses of detail which many like and some don't -  just different philosophies.

The ZV-1 and A7s3 look the same, only that the latter has more dynamic range. Since Sony uses the same processing algorithms throughout their alpha cameras since the A7sII why wouldn't it?

Here some examples for the horrible oversharpening (left, also showing aliasing issues) and paint brush like noise reduction with ghosting and smearing (right).

 

15 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

1) Unreliable AF. AF is the hot ticket item on any camera now.

2) The L-mount is new with big expensive lenses currently.

3) There isn’t some mega YouTube personality trumpeting the camera.

I mean it's not a V-logger camera, more like a cinema workhorse which could be used as an A-camera image wise even.

2 hours ago, abehalpert said:

How can they deliver so much DR with a 12bit adc?

Sony is king when it comes to noise reduction (and sharpening). If that's a good thing or not is highly subjective.

I'd rather have a an organic looking image than the digital madness the a7s3, a73, a6600, a7s2 etc. offer.

16 minutes ago, androidlad said:

Well, lots of sharpening halos on the Sony. Other videos show lots of artifacts in darker areas and low light, due to heavy temporal noise reduction - some shots look like straight paint brush or an oil painting.

I don't want that. Thanks Sony for making my decision to keep the S1H so much easier. 🙂

4 hours ago, Emanuel said:

I agree skin tones are crucial. I disagree skin tones are the new form for art of film... : -)

What's the title of this? The great Oompa Loompa escape? Or How Sony discovered Cinelike D?

8 minutes ago, noone said:

Stills focused generally-  R6

Stills focused low light-  A7siii

Video only- A7siii if you take longer clips in sometimes warm temps, otherwise, flip a coin.

Hybrid - Flip a coin ( A7siii for me but others will differ)

The A7sIII overheats even faster it seems.

6 minutes ago, sanveer said:

Very likely that the Sony is (incorrectly?) being sounded for overheating by the direct sunlight, mistaking it for sensor overheating (since the body records the temperature, it mistakes dissipation from the sensor to direct heating of the body).

That's an interesting little circus trick that the Sony has. 

The A7sIII overheated more quickly in exactly the same lighting, so it's indeed worse than the R5 even.

Here's a painting made by the A7sIII from Philip Bloom's video.

13 minutes ago, thebrothersthre3 said:

Sony needs to get rid of the low light NR though. Thats a killer. 

I just stay with my S1H which after firmware 2.0 and Noise Reduction -1 looks just perfect.
The NR smoothing and smearing looks like on the A73.

2 minutes ago, Zeng said:

What about the claimed 16bit external output which apparently could be recorded as 12bit log raw (vs linear in the case of other cameras) to Ninja V? DR comparison tests are needed.

Gerald Undone measured 13 stops (SNR=0.5). But also measured the A73 and Pocket 4K with much higher numbers than usual.

So my guess, he would measure the S1H higher as well 😉

3 minutes ago, Zeng said:

As much as I love Z6 and have hopes Z6s brings certain improvements, it's going to use same sensor, which means 12 bit ADC. Which gives 12 stops of DR more or less. While mostly this is ok for me, Sony's 16bit output could bring 1-2 additional real stops which is tempting. Hate to say this as I never like Sony cameras. Well, up to now...

Pretty sure it uses a 12 bit adc mode for video, too.
Dynamic range seems to be the same as the S1H.

3 minutes ago, Video Hummus said:

It’s amazing what YouTube Compression does to videos. That water would have been turned into seizure inducing mush. 

Downloaded the original 188Mbit H265 file on Vimeo in case you meant me. 😉

48 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

What a waste of space hahahaha

Looked at it again, in fact no as much as a waste because was able to look at colors and skintones, not very impressed.

 

well, it looks as bad as the other S1H ProRes videos I've seen.
Always super harsh with a terrible roll-off and low dynamic range for whatever reason.

3 hours ago, mechanicalEYE said:

 

Oh well, most of the low light stuff looks like paint brush. I can do the same with my S1H, just apply insane amounts of Neat Video Temporal NR on it...

Most people don't seem to care, so it's ok I guess?

34 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Good question! What was wrong with a 6K full frame Sony!?

The IMX410 on the S1H/S1/Mavo LF/A73/FX9/F6/Z6 etc. is a 12 bit ADC only design.
BMD usually uses 14 ADC on their flagship models.

I'm just glad they are finally fixing their color science.
Can't wait to try out V5 on my older footage and see what it does to bright saturated lights 😄

17 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

S35 sensor does go well in a M43 mount as JVC showed.

Blackmagic have such great innards. It is time to step up the game and put them in a camera body worthy of the image, sensor, codec, and touchscreen UI.

A $2500 Pocket camera with EVF and IBIS would be a roaring success.

And a colorscience update please, so I don't have to worry about saturated blue or red light sources.

23 minutes ago, Tim Sewell said:

Philip now has 8000 cats.

"That's 8K!"-

captain obvious

Well, of course Canon finds a way to screw things up, wouldn't be Canon otherwise 

Why wouldn't they simply implement active cooling? Even the S1H does

meh