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Same here.  In the meantime, I've reluctantly become a little smitten with my EM5II.  Once I learned the muscle memory for the egos it became a competent shooter.  Not perfect, by any means, (no ISO exposure adjustment while shooting?) but a great creative tool if you wield it properly.
Also, I'm discovering that shooting EM5II footage with vintage lenses really takes the edge off the video and gives it a more pleasing aesthetic, so not only is the body pretty cheap, but the lenses I'm using with it and getting the best results are as well.  

While a lot of folks will concentrate on IQ, color, DR, etc., and demand the best in that regard, I find that, for me, other features can be more practical for my productions.  The built in Oly 5-axis has been really fun and rewarding to utilize. 

FWIW, I shot a small project for a friend yesterday.  
No budget and a favor.  Since the stakes were pretty low and everything was casual, I shot it with the EM5II and an old manual 55mm Canon f1.2 FD lens ($200ebay).  The lens was mounted on the cheap Chinese speed booster ($100eBay).
Love the old glass so far.  Really like the renderings I get from it.  And it's radioactive!  So that's cool.
Anyway, 95% is the EM5II handheld and that FD lens, with a few random shots from a 5D.
Here it be @720 for your discriminating consideration.  I feel like I'm getting good value out of the speed booster old lens combo:

I don't have to, you just did.  Love my car, but yeah, I do have to change the water pump.

Actually, I always argue with box office, record sales, home improvement design, etc.  Creating materials and content for the largest collection of market requires a certain mundanity that allows for that broad appeal.
It's why comedy slapstick will never go away.  A 5 year old and a 95 year old can relate to it; Rich man or poor man.  It's not anything great, just silly.  Which is fine, but nothing that necessarily needs to be exalted and appreciated on a particularly impressive level.  On the other hand, you can't hand Faulkner to a 12 year old and expect him to have any profound self-reflection after reading through it.  You can't get most people to do that.  It's just beyond their grasp.  Thus, less accessible.  
Which book is more impressive and which has broader appeal:  http://tinyurl.com/ogmx44b or http://tinyurl.com/nc4n33d
Same concept goes for the cheap door you'd buy at a Home Depot or that new Taylor Swift album.
So, no, I don't readily agree that financial success is in any way a marker of creative success.  Not in this society.  The complete opposite.    

Actually, I always argue with box office, record sales, home improvement design, etc.  Creating materials and content for the largest collection of market requires a certain mundanity that allows for that broad appeal.
It's why comedy slapstick will never go away.  A 5 year old and a 95 year old can relate to it; Rich man or poor man.  It's not anything great, just silly.  Which is fine, but nothing that necessarily needs to be exalted and appreciated on a particularly impressive level.  On the other hand, you can't hand Faulkner to a 12 year old and expect him to have any profound self-reflection after reading through it.  You can't get most people to do that.  It's just beyond their grasp.  Thus, less accessible.  
Which book is more impressive and which has broader appeal:  http://tinyurl.com/ogmx44b or http://tinyurl.com/nc4n33d
Same concept goes for the cheap door you'd buy at a Home Depot or that new Taylor Swift album.
So, no, I don't readily agree that financial success is in any way a marker of creative success.  Not in this society.  The complete opposite.    

Actually, I always argue with box office, record sales, home improvement design, etc.  Creating materials and content for the largest collection of market requires a certain mundanity that allows for that broad appeal.
It's why comedy slapstick will never go away.  A 5 year old and a 95 year old can relate to it; Rich man or poor man.  It's not anything great, just silly.  Which is fine, but nothing that necessarily needs to be exalted and appreciated on a particularly impressive level.  On the other hand, you can't hand Faulkner to a 12 year old and expect him to have any profound self-reflection after reading through it.  You can't get most people to do that.  It's just beyond their grasp.  Thus, less accessible.  
Which book is more impressive and which has broader appeal:  http://tinyurl.com/ogmx44b or http://tinyurl.com/nc4n33d
Same concept goes for the cheap door you'd buy at a Home Depot or that new Taylor Swift album.
So, no, I don't readily agree that financial success is in any way a marker of creative success.  Not in this society.  The complete opposite.    

Man, does EVERYTHING have to be some sort of damn algorithm these days?  This is the arts (supposedly).  Just do it for yourself.  If you can't find rhythm in an edit, I don't know how you're ever going to be a successful editor.
So say I, grumpy old man.  Now get off my lawn.

I don't know who you're talking about.

There's a big difference between "real" cameras and the kind of stuff hobbyists and industrial shooters (like me!) use.  I shot 4 different projects this week, and two of them were last minute things, so renting on my level is not really viable.  I need something to go out the door with without much lead time.
Also, for the crap I do, I get paid less than it costs to provide craft services to a real shoot.  I need a camera that's cheap and easy.  That's my end of the pool.
BTW, I shot an actual Super Bowl spot once.  With a Canon XH-A1 no less.  Actually, it was a CBS media network promo, does that count?

I don't know who you're talking about.

There's a big difference between "real" cameras and the kind of stuff hobbyists and industrial shooters (like me!) use.  I shot 4 different projects this week, and two of them were last minute things, so renting on my level is not really viable.  I need something to go out the door with without much lead time.
Also, for the crap I do, I get paid less than it costs to provide craft services to a real shoot.  I need a camera that's cheap and easy.  That's my end of the pool.
BTW, I shot an actual Super Bowl spot once.  With a Canon XH-A1 no less.  Actually, it was a CBS media network promo, does that count?

My wife and I went to Spain a few years back to make a humble, simple, and impressionistic travel film; labor of love sort of thing.  
We were going to shoot it with multiple cameras/lenses... but when we got there and spent a few week on a paid assignment before our personal film making, we began to debate about the visuals --and ultimately decided that the most cohesive look would be to film with one camera and one 50mm lens.  Nothing else.  No audio or tripod even.
So we put all the other gear in storage and went into our shoot with a 5D and an old piece of Nikon glass. 
Also, we'd film it, for better or worse, with the max aperture., f1.4.  Our reasoning was that since the subject was supposed to be a reverent and sometimes mystical experience, the aesthetic of shallow DOF would heighten that sense.
In the end I believe it worked well enough, but I've never shot a project like that before or since.  Doubt I will again.  It just happened to fit the vibe.

Man, does EVERYTHING have to be some sort of damn algorithm these days?  This is the arts (supposedly).  Just do it for yourself.  If you can't find rhythm in an edit, I don't know how you're ever going to be a successful editor.
So say I, grumpy old man.  Now get off my lawn.

What's that?  All I see is a muppet.

No doubt.  Personally, I like standard and portrait.  That's just me.  Then again, I'm also enamored with Malick, so it's all good.
Do not talk to me about Bay.  I like to pretend he doesn't exist.

As an tangent...why are these modes activated in default by the manufacturers?  As for Avatar; could care less about the frame rates on that one, the story was a joke and therefore so was the movie.

Documentaries; rearranging reality for a deeper truth.

Documentaries; rearranging reality for a deeper truth.

Branding!  It's all about getting people familiar and comfortable with the name brand.  Look how it's worked out for Nikon and Canon.  

Why the snarkiness?

Why the snarkiness?

I think you got a bunch of kids that want to act like they know a lot --so the contrarian opinion mixed with criticism makes them feel like they're offering insight. It's a curse and blessing of being young...and, yes, stupid.

I think you got a bunch of kids that want to act like they know a lot --so the contrarian opinion mixed with criticism makes them feel like they're offering insight. It's a curse and blessing of being young...and, yes, stupid.

I think you got a bunch of kids that want to act like they know a lot --so the contrarian opinion mixed with criticism makes them feel like they're offering insight. It's a curse and blessing of being young...and, yes, stupid.