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What about engineering filmmakers...? : D

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2 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

It really does blow my mind how willing people are to reward Canon with their money even if it means having to use an external recorder, empty card slots, and a dummy battery to get usable results.

Because of outcome from amateur hands like this sample here:

:- )

With this overheating issue? Never.

Solved or through a workaround to comprehend Raw 12-bit 8K 24p/25p/30p & H.265 4:2:2 10-bit 4K 120fps?

Definitely, yes, without any other contender able to compete as of today.

Take a look on that comparison test against the RED babe... : ) I imagine Jim already bought one : D

That's insane! Makes little sense to none.

PS: Never mind, I take it! :- )

2 hours ago, independent said:

The Blackmagic Video Assist 12G is very intriguing.

1) greatly mitigates or resolves overheating

2) cheap SSD and external media recording

3) XLR inputs and quality audio recording

4) professional monitor

5) potential BRAW support (currently supports C300ii and Panasonic EVA1)

The rumors about Canon considering BRAW would make a lot of sense here. I'd take this over the Atomos Ninja.

 

 

Blackmagic is a great brand indeed, just not idea if they can compete with Atomos' HDR... :- )

2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

So the heat is all generated in the card bay?

I'd give it about an hour before Tilta have this ready for pre-order then.

 

Stop man to make my day with a good laugh! : ) I know you're so fanboy of them like I am! LOL ; )

Even because in the day they'll sort it out I'll have to spend a few grand on theirs... : X

It really requires a firmware update... :- )

Interesting comparison here (from that user):

Congrats Jarred!

E : -)

I am still hoping they will release some firmware update to help to extend the recover period, hence that's crucial for a lot of further buyers purchase, myself included. Without it, I am out : )

Here's a real user's test:

11 minutes ago, Coiii said:

I think that Gerald Undone has made a great work with his review, far away from click baits and over dramatic headlines trying to hate Canon.

After the review is clear that the R5 and R6 are not good cameras if you shoot video thanks to overheating, heavy codecs, not so good dynamic range and some other little problems. That's it. If you want a video camera in a small body, go for the A7SIII or whatever brand you prefer.

Thanks for your post : ) Transcoding not for all or a firmware update will solve a part of that, I hope. But is a7SIII really better in anything other than no light shooting and I had missed so far?

6 hours ago, SteveV4D said:

He shot in 1080p 🤣🤣  All that hype of 8K and its basically a usable 1080p camera; just like all the other Canon cameras.  

I'm not sure, is the 1080p line skipped, pixel binned.. I would hate to shoot a Wedding with a 8K camera that was line skipping to 1080p.

You can always add an EF to RF mount speedbooster adapter and work FF from there avoiding overheating issue @ 5.1K resolution.

This information has already been advised before in this post and successive ones a dozen pages back along this same thread:

You said it perfectly well, pal, exactly my standpoint : )

Here's some real world user report published today:

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Also lovely imagerie available on that link : -)

7 hours ago, Nezza said:

Nah, you and the other canboys just don't like any *entirely valid* criticism of Canon. Canon has made their biggest product launch gaff in recent times and canboys can't bare their beloved Canon being held to account for what Canon has failed to deliver.

Meanwhile consumers are spending thousands of their hard earned on products that aren't fit for purpose. But don't bash beloved Canon - that's the real issue here!

Guess about it? Every single review (even Peter McCanon's) mentions the overheating to some degree. It's entirely fair to criticise Canon for what is a very evident and serious problem. The idea you can't comment unless you physically own an R5 is laughable. It's just canboys that wan't to stop anything negative being said about their beloved.

You have no idea what experience posters here have in filmmaking. None. Also, the basic laws of thermal dynamics are not altered by having IMDB credits.

Nonsense... you don't even read my posts or you wouldn't put me in the same line of any fanboys to praise whatever brand you dislike. How can you comment them then, humm?? : D I am a regular poster on EOSHD since the early beginning, for almost a decade now. What about you? Since last month of July...??

:- D

It's absolutely laughable you infer I am here ignoring this issue or praising them when their commitment clearly doesn't match mine! WOW

It's not difficult to follow the position or experience of someone but for that, you need to read them first.

; )

Last but not least, how old are you? Or you'll omit my question as much as when you mentioned engineer skills as the quality to be entitled to trust Tilta products and I asked about yours? No pun intended.

And you're still lacking any answer to add up there... ; ))

Nonetheless, maybe you know more on basic laws of thermal dynamics than them from Tilta? ;- ]

5 hours ago, UncleBobsPhotography said:

Maybe that's the reason why it's only a patent and not a product. I wouldn't want to blow air on the sensor unless there is a HEPA filter in there, which can't be very practical.

 

Practical engineering is often just logic, and logical arguments should trump academic degrees. A 6 hour cooldown period isn't reasonable, so either there was a flaw in the testing method or in the firmware.

Something completely disgusting is trading places to distort the facts or take the world B&W, bashing people or brands at the distance of a keyboard hidden behind a mouse and an anonymous alias and yet, pretending to believe only one side can offer criticism when it is much easier to see it from eventual adopters/buyers rather than naysayers.

Not you, for sure. But it was not me either to call for credentials or bringing academic degrees to the equation. 

Even before they had released it?!

What the hell a solid accessories supplier such as Tilta would think about all that?

Or their customers? Or do I risk to be insulted and the usual mantra to call me their fanboy? LOL

The same follows for the Canon patent. Welcome that tip on the HEPA filter. That's an example of constructive criticism. Let's not confound the fair criticism all of us are entitled to (especially Canon customers, oh yes) with haters.

We are what we do, words mean too little. This applies to everyone, not this or that user per se.

Filmmakers are used to positively search for solutions, not problems. That's also what basically tells about their experience in less or greater degree.

When their craft feed their families, some features can be night or day in order to succeed ;- ]

1 hour ago, Danyyyel said:

I did this video for a friend crowd funding project for a organic community farm to help people in the tourism industry impacted by the virus. This is like a teaser, he is the guy at the start and 1.45 . These were done with AFS 1.8 the rest were done with the Nikon Z 24-70 f4S, it was done very fast because weather was not good during the 2 days we shot s seen in the drone shot at the start.

 

 

I second Chris' words but I must also praise such outcome, thanks for sharing : ) Lovely colours, a charm... kudos to both gear and a special mention to the talent behind the camera :- )

Shame they didn't add 4K 60p or I had adopted one then, pity they didn't. Great AF performance/system BTW.

Both shot on Mi 10 Pro.

Here's more from mobile photography (same Xiaomi tag but could be some other):

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If we will say they've succeeded to cripple their hardware without proper heat dissipation design, can we properly stand it then? LOL ;- )

I support myself and my craft and who helps me to pay the bills.

Read @BTM_Pix posts before you still support whatever point you've decided so...

PS: Ah you've finally decided then... Funny you agree with him! You remind me politicians, you'd surely succeed to be one! : D

1 hour ago, herein2020 said:

 

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BTW, where is the power for that coming from? How loud will it be when recording audio? 

 

I don't understand the adapter either....so you will basically be pulling dust directly from outside of the camera and blowing it directly on the sensor, that sounds like a horrible idea. The S1H seems to be the only camera that truly gets the cooling situation and even it didn't try to do 8K, 4K120, or full sensor readout 4K60.

I am also puzzled about that as matter of fact. And curious. First question I had... How do they manage dust?

The fact our most reputable engineer among us and BTW my supplier too @BTM_Pix : ) did not drop a single word on topic speaks fairly enough to me ;- )

2 minutes ago, herein2020 said:

I am just spoiled in the thermal department when it comes to compromises. My C200, 5DIV, and GH5 have performed flawlessly in the hot Florida heat and humidity no matter what I throw at them.  I can say the same for my GoPro, DJI drones, and even my timelapse camera (T6 Rebel). They have all sat in 120 degree cars between shoots or before the shoot, shot all day in the heat, and not had a single problem. They all have their limitations but they are predictable, well known, and can be easily worked around. Thermal unpredictability on the other hand is something I want no parts of no matter how good the image may be; a cell phone camera can produce a better image than a bricked one.

I understand and fully share your concern. But:

1 minute ago, Nezza said:

Then I'd suggest you'd be best placed not to comment on issues relating to engineering. 

There's reports now that even stills shooting causes it to overheat - nothing to do with video.

I just don't like to see anonymous aliases to amuse themselves to bash Canon. This is not helpful. One thing is fair criticism, the other one is without previous experience with a tool starting to guess about it. If I'd have a crystal ball I'd be billionaire.

I am not engineer but I can fairly guess Tilta has high qualified engineers to design their products. They are a trustful provider. If they announce something, I'd delude myself if I would listen naysayers rather than people who help my craft.

Moreover, no one is expecting a miraculous solution. This is not all about that. And I see people without the necessary filmmaking experience in certain styles/segments of our craft to negatively/improperly infer this R5/R6 or this or that workaround won't work out. WOW Without ever testing it!

This naysayerism is absolutely inaccurate and counterproductive.

I am a filmmaker, not engineer. You?

Tilta has proven to offer good quality service BTW... Filmmakers trust on their suppliers.

I am bald : D I just see a lot of posters without necessary practical experience in the filmmaking... Gosh

People in the field ARE used to get COMPETENT workarounds virtually in a whole daily basis :- )

This is part of the craft... This capture device can be very helpful if certain adaptations will be proved to be efficiently adopted. This is not B&W : )

It only depends on goodwill the brand has shown to fail once again for obvious business reasons;

...and talent to positively look for way outs.

Not the customary yadda yadda between fanboys and bashers. Phew.

5 minutes ago, Nezza said:

It's waaaaaay more physically fundamental than that - can they give a few more mins recording time with a firmware update? Probably. 

Will that make a professional, usable tool for video? Not even close.

This can be a useful specialised tool, not a workhorse, with:

1) https://tilta.com/2020/07/tiltaing-camera-cage-for-canon-r5/

2) https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/news/story/canon-designs-additional-adapter-to-fix-canon-eos-r5-overheating-issue-1705356-2020-07-28

3) Update to lift up their firmware limitations.

12 minutes ago, herein2020 said:

It could be the firmware causing the issue. If the firmware reading the internal temp is faulty or buggy then it would yield similar results...similar to battery meters that never seem accurate. After seeing the R5 circuit board I think there is no way to actually fix this problem until the R5 Mark 2, but I do think it was the firmware preventing the camera from working properly 5hrs later.

There are workarounds at the hardware level, they can implement though ;- )

5 minutes ago, Nezza said:

People that think this is a firmware fix are deluded.

About the time to wait for having the camera back to full capabilities back shorter than 6+ hour long?

This can be fixed by firmware.