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24 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

The GH5s has external RAW. Olympus enabled it on at least one camera, if I recall correctly. 

I suspect the GH6 will have it. 

Yes, my bad, I remember reading that (M43rumours?). Then why does he possibly mention issues with continuous recordingwith reference to the question on RAW and recording into an SSD (in the gri, like Andrew suggested). I felt some of his answers were in parallels. He probably didn't get the question clearly. 

20 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

We don't know enough about the GH6 to say that, unless you have the inside scoop? 

That's what I seem to feel from this interview. And the perpetual emphasis on Pro for the S-limg and portability, size and zoom for the M43 lineup. 

Interesting interview.

"High speed USB SSD storage in M.2 format has a small footprint. Why doesn’t Panasonic make a detachable battery grip for RAW recording containing an M.2 slot? And would this be classed as “external” recording or “internal” recording? Is this different classification a problem for patents?"

I couldn't agree more. Though his response suggested that he didnt get the RED Patent refence, and also didn't wanna give RAW via HDMI/USB-C on the GH Range(?). Do any of the GH/M43 cameras have external RAW recording? Curiously, Panasonic doesn't seem to want to equip the GH6 much above the GH5, regardless of what the customers want. They are keen to protect the S-line, and seem to want to go to great lengths to handicap the GH6 just that little bit. Though he did mention a much sturdier codec ("high editing tolerance that can meet the demands of various clients").

I guess, they may stick to a sturdier (?) version of the 10-bit 4-2-2 codec for now (a good ProRed alternative?). RAW will either be completely missed or may come much later with a paid firmware update (?). 

56 minutes ago, kye said:

According to wikipedia, that's 33 stops of DR.  I realise that this spec probably doesn't directly relate to the DR the way that we would normally think of it, so we probably can't compare directly.

How does that compare with other sensors?  (assuming they measure the same thing?)

Or does it directly compare?  In which case, 33 stops of DR is A LOT more than an Alexa!!

More like 16.6 stops (divide by 6.02) at SNR of 1. So about 14+(more like 14.6) stops. Great, regardless, and close to Alexa territory.

9 hours ago, androidlad said:

Dual native ISO 40 & 160

The low ISO indicates that the sensor isn't meant for ILCs, but rather for cinema cameras(?). 

On 6/27/2021 at 6:42 AM, kye said:

Besides, why settle for second best?  My P2K, M2K, and GH5 have the same focusing system as an Alexa 🙂

 

The issue with AF, apart from accuracy is the lack of instructions on who/what, and how to follow (speed, stationary or motion, transition style etc). I believe cinema cameras will solve this and autofocus for cinema cameras soon. And it's going to be Arri.

Unless Panasonic gets both PDAF as well as the exact manner of finely programmable) instruction options. 

7 hours ago, androidlad said:

GH6 uses a dual-aspect sensor, similar to GH5S.

5.2K 4:3

5.7K 16:9

<7ms rolling shutter

with all pixel PDAF

That's Dual Pixel autofocus.

If its true, its Huge

1 hour ago, John Matthews said:

I don't watch most of those Canadians anymore. On Youtube, you really need to look for authenticity because you won't find it in almost any of the bigger channels. I've been watching for a long time now to see it go from authentic (and often normal) to shameless self/product promotion. 99% are simply infomercials, nothing more. You can still learn and laugh from them, but that is still the core of what they do.

"Still Life - Art and the photographic image" by Justin Jones. He's a British guy who's into all forms of art and has 2.72K followers. He will never be known most likely, but his content is great. He's the type of YouTube I like. Here's a video:

 

I love this one. Thanks for sharing it. 

On 6/17/2021 at 4:23 AM, kye said:

What's below the book? I couldn't get that. 

Wouldn't the Sony be suddenly much cleaner at ISO 12800, so it may be a good idea to shoot it at 12800 and use an ND perhaps? Or is is it that most ISO levels in between the dual native ISOs are all noisy? Plus the Sony also has that famous Sony colour (or a version of it).

Would love to see a comparison between the Sony, along with Canon (R6) and Panasonic (S5), at all ISOs from 320 to 25600, perhaps. 

From Panasonic's Official Press Release:

"Providing 4:2:2 10-bit DCI 4K/60p recording capability, the LUMIX GH6 achieves unlimited video recording when the camera is used under the certified operating temperature. It is reliable enough to record continuous footage for a desired duration. It also provides a 10-bit 4K 120p High Frame Rate (HFR) and Variable Frame Rate (VFR) for high resolution slow/quick motion video. Moreover, the GH6 records 10-bit 5.7K 60p video by taking full advantage of the newly developed Micro Four Thirds sensor."

I shared the photos of literature of the new 20MP M43 sensor of Sony (IMX472) because I suspect the GH6 will have equally quick readout speed or one that is extremely similar, even if the resolution different is 4-6MP. Which is about Double of the GH5, being 12-bit Full Res at 120fps. I am guessing the GH6's sensor will have a similar 12-bit 120fps at 4k, but Panasonic will limit the bit depth to 10-bit, either to protect the S1H and EVA, or because of the absurd Red's patent for Internal RAW recording. If its the 2nd, Panasonic should Create a miniature the  Yagh module, with a 1Tb SSD, 5G antenna and an SoC to create lossless compressed RAW.

I am very curious to know whether the GH6 will have higher dynamic range and better highlight handling and noise pattern, and by how much. Apparently, the low light improvement between the GH4 and GH5 is about 1.5 stops, though the dynamic range difference is only 0.2 Stops according to DXOmark(though the GH4 is extremely noisy in most ISOs according to some users). Noise itself (at SNR of 2), may make the dynamic range difference a lot more. Maybe if the noise is a lot more controlled on the GH6, the video dynamic range should be a lot more (?)

Would also love to see a Video Recorder in the GX7 size with the 20MP full Res 120fps sensor (with 10-bit video at 4k 120fps), with a multi articulating screen like on the S1H and EVF like on the GX7. With great AF and great IBIS, it could be a great camera for Vloggers and Guerilla and Emerging Budget Filmmakers. It could be a good addition to the GH6, possibly with slightly better low light capabilities. 

That's absolutely terrible news. He posted a very short last video, and I was trying to get his contact information.

I used to love his reviews. He was brilliant and brilliantly witty. Can't imagine anyone else who was an advocate of the M43 ecosystem, like him.

Panasonic and Olympus owe him a thank you note, in the least. 

Theoretically, if anyone does 12-bit RAW, with a colour correction, or something else baked into the codec, it should not quality as RAW, when compression ratios are con concerned. Even if most manufacturers have their own version of RAW, with varying colours.

Or

If, there is an element of partial de-bayering within the camera itself, no matter how minor.

I feel Panasonic can CIRCUMVENT this shady Red Patent (reminds me of the stories regarding how how hundreds of Tesla's patents were stolen and registered as someone else's, back in the day), by having uncompressed RAW out, and then compressing it in a tiny module attached to the camera (like the original yagh module, but Much Smaller). The sole purpose of the module, apart from extra battery and memory like mini SSDs, could be for having a compassion SoC (they could throw in a 5G chip for direct broadcast or cloud storage). Compression post recording should not attract any kind of the shady Patent application issues. 

1 hour ago, androidlad said:

The HDR is simultaneous dual-gain readout of each pixel, it's for stills mode only.

Why not for video. The sensor documentation seems go mention photo only, as does the lack of any specific video frame rate. 

1 hour ago, androidlad said:

Quad Bayer for this sensor is 2 x2 OCL for each pixel for cross-type on-chip AF.

OCL in the 2×2 configuration is usually when the sensor is a higher resolution one, and the Quad Bayer/ TetraCell type CFA literally merges colour pixel information, merging 4 pixels onto one. Here the sensor is 20MP. Why would they wanna reduce the resolution. Unless the difference in autofocus performance accuracy between conventional on-chip lended and ones in the 2x2 configuration is so tiny, that the faster processing (,perhaps), of the 2x2 OCL is preferred.

Still not sure why its worded as "R, G, B primary color mosaic filters on chip (Quad Bayer structure)."

Unless it's a case of poor articulation or some translation issue (from Japanese to English?). 

13 minutes ago, hoodlum said:

While not the GH6 sensor, Sony just announced a new 20mp stacked BSI sensor. We could see this in other camera bodies. 
 

https://www.sony-semicon.co.jp/products/common/pdf/IMX472-AAJK_Flyer.pdf

 

The sensor does 120fps at Full Res, 12-bit, which would be great for both Photography as well as for Shooting RAW video. 

"Each pixel readout method deployment for the specific mode (1) Normal, (2) Phase difference, (3) Single pixel, (4) HDR ◆ H driver, V driver and serial communication circuit on chip ◆ 10 bits / 12 bits A/D converter on chip ◆ 14 lane (8 lane + 6 lane) SLVS-EC output ◆ R, G, B primary color mosaic filters on chip (Quad Bayer structure)."

I am not sure what this HDR in (4) is supposed to imply? Will it have better HDR, and perhaps something on the lines of what's on Smartphones, given the much faster readout?

Also, why it Quad Bayer mentioned? For a 20MP sensor? Will it UpRes, like on QuadBayer sensors with larger CFAs? 

14 hours ago, ntblowz said:

Is that a front Tally light on the GH6? On GH5 there is no light next the flash sync.

Not sure. I am guessing that laser autofocus or some other autofocus assist, to put it at-par with PDAF may be employed. 

14 hours ago, RWR said:

Right. Where is LIDAR at this point?

The effectiveness of LIDAR has been questioned, with the contention that laser and other sensors can pretty much replace its, and beat it in many scenarios. 

49 minutes ago, androidlad said:

There's also a red front record button on GH6 just like S1H, if you know where to look.

It would need a 1/10th size focus module of the one that is the one which manufacturers are making, as an addition on the camera via the hotshoe. 

I edited the pic. Looks slightly smaller than a GH5 (?)

8 hours ago, androidlad said:

5720 x 4290

Completely revamped DFD AF that's on par with, and sometimes better than A7S III.

Next Generation (smartphone level) Laser autofocus assist? 

I find the world less insane outside of the Google-FB-Twitter Universe. I have been planning to get a feature phone for the longest, and perhaps use it on weekends. Even Apple isn't really safe. That was the breaching point in all HK and other protests. If they can do it for one government or organisation, they could do it for anyone. And Google keeps you locked into an ecosystem where all major functions (search, OS, maps, video/youtube etc), is owned and controlled but the same company. 

I have noticed maps keep tracking you, even when you switch off GPS and disable the mobile data. Also, apps that ask for permission for camera and photo gallery during installation, probably take photos and videos, even when unnecessary. I am planning to block the front camera completely, since I take selfies quite rarely.

Tech companies probably know more about us, than our friends and families. Way more. 

Wow. That was pretty intense. In a great way. We're now gonna face racism, or sexism or reverse something else. 

1. Maybe because there are 3 broad pro/prosumer camera, namely Hybrid, ENG and Cinema. There is obviously a slight overlapping, here and there, between the 3 (or hot swapping), thanks to better designs and hybrids (like the C70 and S1H), they still have many people swearing by one design over the other. 

2. More ergonomic cameras should, ideally, also be smaller, and thus lesser bragging rights. For both the client and for anyone else who may be lurking around. And the whole Brain box so promoted by RED, has ensured many other players follow atlesst some model that has one. But RED's model, like most tiny brains, need so much extra, just to make it usable. 

3. Most film cameras need a lot of rigging and cinematographers and directors constantly watch the feed, so they need a lot more stuff for the rigging (live feed). Other reasons including the fact that Cinema cameras need better cooling, many cinema zooms are enormous and so require heavier box shaped backs, and storage and mic placement could be very ergonomically unsettling.

Not sure why more hybrids don't have the tilting EVF of the GX7 and the multi-direction articulation of the S1H. Being able to use both the EVF and LCD, simultaneously, could be very useful in checking things like focus or changing settings while looking through the viewfinder.

Maybe you could have a Poll on Possible Designs, that people want the most. 

7 hours ago, Xavier Plágaro Mussard said:

DaVinci is fully M1 optimized. You can choose. 

Wow. Thanks for the headsup. 

I read somewhere that early reviewers have to sign some sort of agreement regarding reviewing the new processors, in the various computers. Hopefully, independent buyers will be able to help with actual usage experince and issue, instead of ones by people who've been given free laptops or early access, in exchange for lack of completely transparent reviews. 

Hahaha. This is like Andrew quarterly rant.🤣

But, entertaining, regardless.