sanveer

4 hours ago, powerman668 said:

The world's first dual-lens sports camera is coming soon - looking forward to it?

Pics? 

10 hours ago, IronFilm said:

I'd guess it might be more likely there often needs to be first a push from a creative team (director/DP/producer) to get Netflix to add something to the list? 

And nobody has been pushing for the FX30 just yet to be added? 

Interesting, never thought of it like that. Then what about the Panasonic BGH1? Would a director have put a word for using that for a project too. I wonder how popular it was or is. 

4 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

6 minutes ago, sanveer said:

 

I was meaning the Netflix list. 

Actually even the FX3 only made it to the Netflix approved list, After the firmware update, removing SLog 2, maybe increasing bitrate(?), addition of Cine EI workflows, custom LUTs, and timecode sync. Maybe they're miasing on the FX30. And there may be an approval fee, which Sony doesn't wanna pay. 

Just now, sanveer said:

Maybe because they both (FX30 and FX3), have almost identical height, weight n depth.

 

 

Or were you referring to the Netflix approved list? 

4 minutes ago, IronFilm said:

Strangely the FX30 is not (yet??) on that list?? 

Maybe because they both (FX30 and FX3), have almost identical height, weight n depth.

 

 

They probably got like 30 cameras with lenses and accessories from Sony for the publicity. Maybe a few millions too, and studio help from Sony (CGI included?).

 

Sir you have very Gaddafi, er I mean Saadawi vibes 😉

I have to humbly Disagree with the idea that All M43 Cameras must be Tiny or Pocketable. That's Lucrous.

Apple has the distinction of making smartphones that make claims that they can shoot Arri Video Quality or Prosumer or Professional Photo Quality, at a fraction of the price, but there isn't really much truth to that. Regardless of what Hollywood director, whose film has been sponsored by Apple, tells that to you.

 

While almost everyone ALSO wants a GM5 sized Panasonic (especially since Fuji and Ricoh make some superb point and shoot cameras), all Panasonic need not be tiny. They would have issues with overheating, and other issues and look rather amatuer on a Professional shoot. 

 

I am comparing the GM5 to the Netflix Approved Sony FX3, the A7Siii, and the Fuji X100v.

 

Panasonic needs the GH, the G and the GM lineups (hopefully something with the GX85's IBIS, but much smaller, probably with 10 minutes recording times).

 

I know the Single Biggest thing that would make the G9ii sell in the truckloads.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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A Netflix Certification 😎

https://petapixel.com/2023/09/05/canon-has-nearly-50-of-camara-market-share-nearly-double-sony/

 

"As reported by Digital Camera Info and Digital Camera World, an annual Inspection World Share data report from Nikkei Shimbun — a Japanese business publication — shows that Canon, far and away, dominates the camera market with 46.5% of all units sold in 2023. The data, provided by Techno System Research, found that Canon sold over 3.348 million camera units in the same period that Sony sold around 1.879 million units. The report does not make a distinction between mirrorless cameras and DSLRs.

Nikon holds 11.7% of the market in a distant third, with Fujifilm and Panasonic following with 5.8% and 4.2% market share each. These top five companies account for 94.3% of the entire camera digital camera market share.

Comparing this with a 2022 sales report published by Digital Camera Life, it’s likely that Canon continues to rely heavily on its DSLR sales, at least in terms of volume. Canon’s mirrorless market share is still higher than Sony’s, but the race is much closer: 1.54 million units versus 1.25 million units.

Further, Sony is actually ahead of Canon when it comes to the value of those sold cameras. Canon’s higher number of camera bodies sold equated to 506.7 billion yen, while Sony sold fewer units for a sales value of 565 billion yen. Canon seems to be excelling when it comes to selling more affordable cameras, while the opposite is true for Sony.

All of this said, the breakdown of the market share leaders isn’t that different than in previous years, as Canon’s lead has only increased by 0.7%. Sony’s fell by a scant 0.9%. Nikon’s rose by 0.4%. There is not a lot of movement from any company on the top five list."

Are polls still there? 

Maybe this topic requires a poll? With suggestions for the options, before the polls are opened.

Mine would be 'too slow to adopt PDAF', and 'abandoning small cameras like the GM/GX lineup'. 

Their supply chaim and marketing are also disappointing. 

2 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

"We've halted developing any new models that can be replaced by a smartphone"

https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Business-trends/Panasonic-Nikon-quit-developing-low-end-compact-digital-cameras#:~:text="We've halted developing any,for photography enthusiasts and professionals.

"The company has not released any new product for the price range below 50,000 yen ($370 at current rates) or so since 2019 and has no plans to develop a low-priced model going forward. "We've halted developing any new models that can be replaced by a smartphone," a spokesperson said.

... These companies are following in rivals' footsteps. Fujifilm has discontinued production of its FinePix compact cameras and will develop only the X100V series and other pricier models."

Canon has not released any new Ixy cameras since 2017. But the company acknowledges that "entry-level models continue to enjoy persistent support, so we'll continue development and production as long as there is demand." 

Sony Group has not offered any new compact models under its Cyber-shot brand since 2019, although a spokesperson said that "it's not that we'll stop developing new products." Casio Computer halted production of Exilim cameras in 2018.

Camera makers had long competed with one another by increasing the number of pixels and by shrinking the size of their devices. But then smartphones came along, offering apps for editing pictures and allowing photos to be easily shared with family and friends. This changed the way people took photos.

Smartphone makers are racing to offer advanced photography features in their devices. "It'd be a challenge for camera makers to be successful with keeping their compact digital camera businesses," said analyst Ichiro Michikoshi of research firm BCN.

Compact digital models accounted for 36% of global digital camera shipments in 2021, according to CIPA. The broader camera market will likely shrink even faster with Japanese companies, many of them big players, scaling back operations in compact digital models.

The bright spot is the mirrorless segment, with global shipments jumping 31% on the year to 324.5 billion yen in 2021. Mirrorless single-lens models offer fat margins, and users replacing lenses and other parts will keep contributing to the manufacturers' bottom lines.

Retailers are focusing on this segment as well. "These days we recommend mirrorless cameras even to novice photographers," said a salesperson at electronics and appliance retailer Joshin Denki."

 

 

I am guessing the reference is to point and shoot cameras, with fixed lenses, including the LX100 family. If Panasonic feels the GX and GM do indeed have a market, and they can profit from them (maybe with price increases), they may add some to that group. Strangely the Japanese are not really good at very quick turnarounds, and making products at lower manufacturing costs. Two reasons why they aren't the top players in the smartphone industry.

It's therefore a strange conundrum. They don't wanna integrate absolute smartphone features likes 4G and 5G chips for uploading data on ILCs. And Sony has been slowing its development of ILC replacing smartphones, by not pushing 1inch and larger sensors (they have a massively cropped 1inch sensors). Sony is arguably one of the hurdles for both Smartphones replacing ILCs, and in some ways possibly causing sensor development (like not giving PDAF to Panasonic) slowdown in Pro and Prosumer Cameras. 

 

I wanna write more, but I have to rush. 

45 minutes ago, BTM_Pix said:

Nikon have just announced the $2K full frame Zf which is in that vein for compact full frame.

Ironically, the Z mount is so adaptable that it is able to take MFT lenses too ! (Albeit dumbly)

 

Which has strange design choices, including 1 card slot that is "(UHS-I) Micro SD". I had to read that Many Times to believe it. 

1 hour ago, Simon Young said:

5K global shutter, dual gain sensor and "the best dynamic range out of all their cameras". Shipping in October. People are already whining about the price of 3999 dollars ("ITS NOT FULL FRAME"). This is why we can't have nice things and I fear this might sell very badly of course.

https://www.newsshooter.com/2023/09/16/z-cam-e2-m5g-global-shutter-cinema-camera/

I saw in the video, he says it's a Global Shutter, has 16 stops of dynamic range and 5k video, with a lot of frame rates. What more could one ask for? It's probably better than Full Frame, if the quality is anywhere close to advertised. If that's the case, Panasonic needs to pick up one of these sensors for itself too.

On 9/13/2023 at 4:40 PM, sanveer said:

Great thorough review. This seems like one of the best ones. Hopefully someone tests the G9ii's video quality with the GH6 (I suspect it may have slightly cleaner video and thus slightly better dynamic range).

P.S.: That streaking issue has been fixed in the G9ii. 

 

 

 

 

I really feel Panasonic needs to Re-Brand and Re-Market their M43 lineup. A huge reason for not selling enough G7, GX85, and the GM5 cameras may have been poor marketing IMHO. The G9ii is a video monster, and Panasonic should leave no stone unturned to shout this to anyone and everyone.

 

"Richard Wong tested better lowlight capabilities than R7 and XH2."

 

It better than some/many APS-C cameras apparently, as mentioned in the video and above.

The original G7 had slightly better photo and video quality than the GH5. I suspect the G9ii does better than the GH6 too. Plus the substantially lowering and auto triggering of dynamic range boost seems like a good step. Okus the streaking has been fixed. So now looking forward to some dynamic range tests 😁

5 hours ago, Yannick Willox said:

Except for the price.

Agreed. $1499 would be perfect. 

 

 

 

9 hours ago, BTM_Pix said:

To add some real world perspective to both of your points, this is what is possible if the will is there and would mean you could have your cake and eat it too if they had a different policy..

The a7Cii on the right is full frame, 10 bit 4:2:2, IBIS,  AI PDAF, Slog3, S-cinetone etc etc etc and is only marginally bigger than the GX80.

This comparison is slightly unfair in my opinion, solely based on the fact that the Sony had a lot more depth. Plus its an overheats. Like many Sony cameras 😁

 

 

 

Though I completely agree, that Panasonic absolutely NEEDS to  make Another GX Camera or even GM Series camera, with this sensor (I wonder if dual gain sensors are more battery hungry?). 

IMHO, if Blackmagic gets PDAF and IBIS (and,better ergonomics, better battery and ease of use) they will pose serious  competition to everyone else. Also, true cinematography cameras will trickle down to a much larger crowd. Something that should have happened after the original pocket cinema camera. Which has superb image quality. But was s nuisance to use 🤣🤣🤣

Great thorough review. This seems like one of the best ones. Hopefully someone tests the G9ii's video quality with the GH6 (I suspect it may have slightly cleaner video and thus slightly better dynamic range).

P.S.: That streaking issue has been fixed in the G9ii. 

 

 

 

 

I really feel Panasonic needs to Re-Brand and Re-Market their M43 lineup. A huge reason for not selling enough G7, GX85, and the GM5 cameras may have been poor marketing IMHO. The G9ii is a video monster, and Panasonic should leave no stone unturned to shout this to anyone and everyone.

 

6 hours ago, kye said:

Panasonic has partnered with DJI to integrate their LIDAR technology, which when coupled with a focus motor, can do AF on any manual focus lens.

The technology is coming.

Ironically, if Panasonic releases this soon, they'll be the only manufacturer who provides easy AF on MF lenses, and then we'll see if all the Sony/Canon PDAF folks obsessed with plant-eye-detect-AF switch over because Panasonic would have the best AF in town....

That would be great. 

42 minutes ago, Davide DB said:

All the tiny lens are not updated anymore. Kit lens and new ones are huge.

In this regard Pana failed to comply with the original M43 promise.

I have to agree with you. M43 had some kickass lenses. Like the tiny 12-32mm zoom with OIS, and the 20mm f1.7 prime. I wonder if an addition to the zoom, for more reach perhaps like a 32-85mm could be created. Though, only if it were a collapsible pancake zoom. 

Just now, Emanuel said:

Correct. But glass is still what I love going along this format. No other one matches the most affordable and smallest variety of glass options we can find. Let alone from slow to fastest ones. Always light and convenient. It's a hell of a format. Everything or almost, even PL mount, LOMOs, anamorphics and so on fits there.

True. I wish some of the f0.95 M43 glass would re-emerge. At one point there were so many f.095 M43 lenses around. I secretly even hoped for an autofocus version, solely because it would be a little easier to use at night. And at that aperture level, it looked very ... Full Framish 😉

9 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

I am very happy with these news.

Has anyone here used the SIRUI MFT anamorphics*?

Now try to find something more affordable but for same results...

EAG :- )

 

* Disclaimer: I have the full set.

Wish there were Anamorphic Lenses with autofocus 😁

13 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

OK. And glass?

I believe there are a few smaller lenses available in many formats. Previously only M43 had like tiny lenses, like the famous 20mm f1.7. So, glass shouldn't be an issue. 

3 minutes ago, SRV1981 said:

What’s the thoughts on this versus say an a6700 for hybrid videography and travel?

The G9ii is similar in size to the S1ii, both of which would be enormous as travel cameras. The Sony A6700 may be a better bet for travel. As long as you don't need the absolute best video quality for it, that should do for most situations.