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2 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

I'm not sure if it was brought up before in this thread, but apparently Yaroslav got some new old stock of the Z Cam E1.

https://www.soltyscameras.com/product-page/z-cam-e1

I really didn't like mine at all when I had it (and I was so pleasantly surprised by the E2), but as far as I know, it is still the smallest 4K ILC camera ever produced.  If you do get, avoid the log profile.

Interestingly, it appears to have a 16MP sensor, which appears similar ( or identical?) to the one on the GX85 and a host of other Panasonic ILCs. Do you think the GX85 sensor can also do 720p @ 120 fps and other frame rates, but didn't due to process and other limitations?

Don't go by the mentioned bitrates, because they may be solely on ZCam E1. 

Just now, sanveer said:

The countdown timer is epic 🤣🤣🤣

 

I feel Insiders in Panasonic, Nikon, Toshiba, Minolta, Blackmagic and others must anonymously disclose the patent abuses in the Market, so that they can be addressed and fixed.

Countries need to limit patent validities based upon industries, and also Safeguard Against Licence Abuses. If the EU can force smartphone companies to use USB-C chargers only (for some environmental reasons), come down upon Astrazenica for medicial patents etc, they should also prevent patent abuses in Hardware and Software, that pusy back industries and stifle fair competition. Only things regarding medical emergencies shouldn't only invite parliamentary interventions and remedies. Monopolistic and market and IP abuses should also imvite interventions. 

8 minutes ago, EspenB said:

Patents expire after 20 years.

The basic "internal compressed RAW" patent expires in april 2028. Or the end of the same year, I'm not sure.

In any case "the patent" only has four years to go.

https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/to?msg=RED.com RAW patents expire&p0=840&ud=2&year=2028&month=4&day=11&hour=0&min=0&sec=0&fromtheme=party

The countdown timer is epic 🤣🤣🤣

I feel Insiders in Panasonic, Nikon, Minolta, Blackmagic and others must anonymously disclose the patent abuses in the Market, so that they can be addressed and fixed.

Countries need to limit patent validities based upon industries, and also Safeguard Against Licence Abuses. If the EU can force smartphone companies to use USB-C chargers only (for some environmental reasons), come down upon Astrazenica for medicial patents etc, they should also prevent patent abuses in Hardware and Software, that pusy back industries and stifle fair competition. Only things regarding medical emergencies shouldn't only invite parliamentary interventions and remedies. Monopolistic and market and IP abuses should also imvite interventions. 

56 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

This is actually a great point. Maybe Nikon hopes to have more leverage in sensor negotiations with Sony or anyone else.

I also read that Sony was fabbing their new sensors at TSMC, so its most likely a matter of patents, and not so much anything else.

These kind of monopolies, in general are bad. I suspect that they are among the reasons for the downfall of many companies that rely on such sensor makers, who restrict patent use (remember the debate, for the longest, that suspected that Panasonic was restricted in its access to PDAF, since it made video powehouses, and that's why we had the terrible Depth-from-Defocus (DFD), for the longest).

A few years ago, Nikon was talking about a 1inch sensor they developed which was absolutely class leading. Wat above and beyond anything else in the 1inch sensor space, and better than many FullFrame sensors. And then, like the mythical Organic Sensor of Panasonic, it vanished into thin air.

Sony seems to be the RED of the Image Sensor world. I am guessing they have way too many patents regarding sensors, and they and a few others prevent anyone else from creating something absolutely crazy.

I mentioned this, because its curious how such promising sensors, that should be in modern cinema cameras, never really come to fruition. RED has been bullying the industry on RAW video, and a few others on sensor and hardware development? 

https://nikonrumors.com/2021/02/17/nikon-announced-the-development-of-a-new-1-inch-17-84mp-stacked-cmos-4k-1000-fps-sensor.aspx/

I believe the issue with RED was that many of their high end cameras weren't as reliable as their Sony and Arri counterparts. That's probably one reason for them not absolutely dominating the market despite their early entry. That along with exaggerated figures on dynamic range, shady proprietary hardware including storage which wasn't proprietary, and some other rubbish which made them almost seem shady to many.

Nikon started early with video on a DSLR, and also 4K, but they didn't really pursue the cinema dream. Most of their video efforts seemed half hearted, and they didn't seem interested in creating some seriously competitive cinema cameras, unlike Canon which has explored it in many different ways. Also, Sony has been slowpy eating into almost everyone else markets, from consumer, to prosumer and then the high end cinema market. Nikon has probably wanting to be part of the cinema market (hybrids as well as true cinema cameras), and that's why they got Pico RAW video, among some other cinema features. Though they never really created anything that sedmed like a cinema camera.

RED has provided it ammunition to harass all competition, based on RED's shady patent, and they can go on a kicking rampage while the patent lasts. By which time, hopefully Nikon does make a few worthy Hybrids, and some real cinema cameras.

RED will have better supply chair, much better reliability, faster abd better customer care, superb autofocus, and improved hardware too. Plus they could get great mainstream sensors at much lesser.

The only thing worth buying in RED is its Illegal right to prevent the  competition from having compressed RAW. I wonder if that's enough for Nikon to buy it, unless it was sold at a throwaway price. 

2 hours ago, mercer said:

I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but I could not care less about Red's patent. It held up in court and I am a firm believer in intellectual property so whatever. And I don't believe raw video is for most videographers, so I don't see the point of it being in most cameras. But again, whatever. 

Unless it had the original Cinema DNG ratios that Blackmagic Cameras had (3:1 5:1 8:1 12:1). Despite the huge compressions, those should still be superior to H.264 and H.265 based codecs. 

Wonder if it would make Nikon create super affordable filmmaking cameras, Not Branded as Red 😉

Magic Lantern, how about 12-bit RAW on the Panasonic Cameras 😉

From Newsshooter.com 

(https://www.newsshooter.com/2024/02/02/octopus16-pocket-sized-super-16-cinema-camera-for-under-1000-usd/)

"According to Octopus Cinema, with the increasing competition in the cinema camera market, the primary goal of the OCTOPUS CAMERA is to fill a gap in the market where users require a specific product for a specific application. These specific features include native monochrome sensor imaging and a fully open SDK to extend and embed custom behaviour in the camera.

The camera is not being targeted as a competitor against most other digital cinema cameras that are already on the market."

It sound Strange. It almost sounds like they do not want to make a 16mm cinema camera. 

"Yes, Xiaomi is a huge phone company and they have some great cameras. When we were looking at how we were going to fund the film they came on board under the condition that we shot it entirely on the phone, no lenses or no attachments. Often when you see films shot on a phone they’ve got a massive lens that they’ve clamped to the phone and it requires technical knowledge. What I love about the idea of shooting on a phone is how accessible it is to everyone. You have the ability to make a film right in your pocket."

Xiaomi funded the project. Apple/iPhone was probably being Elitist and didn't wanna fund a project that didn't have some big name hollywood director make some garbage film shot on an iPhone. They overlit, like all films shot on a phone, and then pulled exposure down in post. Which is great. Though they didn't use lenses attached fo the main camera to improve the image, which is probably not a good idea.

Also, I guess a lot of films shot on mobile phones have some enormous amount of work done in post to make it look more professional. This perhaps also lacked that, and it could have looked even better. The film overall has some good ratings and reviews, so perhaps one should look at it ad a whole, instead of onoy focussing on the cinematography. 

13 hours ago, IronFilm said:

oh that's right, it was skipping a generation, was a teenager and a grandfather 

(if you even believe it was two people behind that account, and not just one. I think the "two people are using this account" was just a way to excuse the lies they got trapped in)

What was sad, was that he got away with it. 

More like grandfather/grand-uncle. Almost seemed like some legacy business 🤣

13 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

I was also intrigued by the reply mentioning the doctor and his nephew in the human body of one person.:) @sanveer But I assume someone else being our 60p afficiando. Well:)

I've been on this forum for qiote a while (5-10 years?). And I did notice his movement on a few other forums too (dpreview among a few). 

I was curious because something  seemed strangely similar.

27 minutes ago, zlfan said:

you mean that guy who cheated some one here on board? i don't want to sell you my selected cameras. i want to hold them until in my cold hands. lol. 

Maybe Andrew could check the IP addresses and answer that. Your knowledge is amazing. How did you know about the infamous doctor? 

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I edited my comment. It should be deleted. It shouldn't be in an Olympus thread. 

He's from Egypt. A double Doctorate in Medicine 💊 

What country are you at. You seem strangely familiar. 

3 hours ago, IronFilm said:

Not possible at all while they don't support timecode 😞 

Hmmm ...not sure Panasonic doesn't fix the small quirks.

11 hours ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Is there that big of a market for people that are hired by Netflix to make content and want to shoot on $2k cameras as the a cam?  Their approved list is only for content they produce in-house.  If you want to sell a film to Netflix, you can shoot it on anything you want - and you can shoot some percentage of footage on non-approved cameras as well.

True. Except that its both a case of perception (of both Netflix as well as Indie Filmmakers wanting to pitch to OTTs), as well as a theoretical and real quality standardization (time code like @IronFilm mentioned, being an important factor). Maybe 100% of footage non commissioned as a Netflix is shot on a Non-Netflix Approved list. But, it's not a case od approved or not. Like I've mentioned above, it's an issue relating to perception and quality/ standardization.

For all one cares the Netflix approved criteria is probably too narrow and probably also suffering from fundamental flaws regarding biases and misplaced conceptions, and high bit depth and much higher bitrates would mostly help CGI and other Post Work. But it exists and its probably the industry's biggest or most referred list right now. 

12 hours ago, PannySVHS said:

GH4 was the second dslm/r camera with 4K after the Canon 1DC afaik. And it was the first affordable one and approachable one with its 4K 100mbit codec.  First 4k dslr from Nikon must have been the D500 i think. @sanveer

You're right, I checked for Canon and Nikon. That $15k price tag, for the Canon was crazy.

Its curious. Panasonic has 2 Inexpensive Netflix Approved Lumix cameras, namely the BGH1 and Panasonic Lumix BS1H box cameras. Both are great for the price, even if they have a few minor hiccups (moiré, HDMI lag etc). Somehow they were meant to replace it's other cinema cameras, at a much lower price point. But that project didn't really take off, maybe mostly due to the modularity and the lack of great autofocus. 

Panasonic needs to have the G9ii, the S5ii and S5iix Netflix Approved. And ensure that they improve their marketing greatly. I feel ever since the GH4, which may have been the first 4k consumer camera (apart from some Nikon one), Panasonic hasn't marketed their 4k filmmaking cameras enough. They haven't communicated things properly to the right audiences, and their supply chain is still very off from Canon, Nikon and Sony.

All this while, Panasonic should have marketed their cameras as Indie Filmmaking Cameras, targetted at low budget film projects. They should have targeted film schools, film festivals and film contests online.

I also feel Panasonic needs to work with Sony, like Nikon and Fuji, to create a Prosumer Camera, that will address every issue with its Prosumer Cinema Lineup (mostly autofocus, even better lowlight, and more shooting frame rates and resolution options). And those two sensors should be in the majority of its M43 and Full Frame sensor, for atleast 3 years. 

The M1 is pretty amazing. I guess the issue is with the algorithms. Those need a lot more work than what is currently with them. 

59 minutes ago, John Matthews said:

I have version 3.1.11. I have had excellent results deinterlacing and slightly upresing 540i 60fps footage to 1080p 60fps. However, when I take 4k or even 1080p footage and try to improve, it's almost never worth the energy (time and electricity). This software is still in its infancy- it doesn't even correct moiré- a major point.

Oh ok. That's very curious. I guess it means that the software isn't prepared for processing by the majority of hardware for higher resolutions. Its way too hardware intensive. It's strange that moirè (and other artefacts) aren't corrected too. It can't possibly be too complicated in algorithms to fix it. 

On 1/1/2024 at 8:44 AM, Happy Daze said:

Don't need to buy anything this year, I have more cameras than talent. Unless of course Blackmagic or Panasonic release an L mount 8K. That will help take my lack of talent to whole new levels and will be more clearly defined.

Roflmfao.

That's each one of us, and almost everyone else. Everyone is busy and everyone is jobless, both at the same time.