ntblowz

AF seem quite bit better than S5/GH5S for sure!

13 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:

Even with RAW stills you need to update Lightroom/Capture One/Etc. every time a new camera comes out.

True on that!

9 minutes ago, Mark Romero 2 said:

Thanks for the clarification. I guess I got confused because I was watching dpjourney (he seems to know what he is talking about) and he claimed that "RAW is RAW" but that wouldn't make sense then.

I guess video RAW is different than still RAW after all?

Atm Apple definitely have the upper hand on camera supporting their RAW format.

People will have to choose FCX or Premiere with ProresRaw support or Da Vinci for BRAW and the RAW their camera support, or Red camera which red raw is supported by all NLE.

It's definitely not buy camera and expect to work with your NLE, or ur NLE will support all the feature from your new camera, have to pick a side!

Hence I m still on Premiere lol, can work with all cameras

25 minutes ago, dvcrn said:

Does anyone have comments on this? 

Neve used HDR PQ so can't comment, non clog is 8bit 420 but not too bad in cinestyle which you can lift shadow quite a bit.  FHD X.265 is fine on PC. 420 8bit 4K50p is fine on pc too, but 422 10bit 4k50p is slideshow.

Announcing tomorrow?

https://shop.panasonic.com/lumix-live

5 hours ago, Coffe said:

Interesting, if you are willing to open your R5:

https://blog.yifangu.com/2020/10/09/canon-eos-r5-thermal-mod/

Those thermal pads make quite a lot of difference!

Brochure with all the cinema lens, so C100MKII and C70 are similar in weight?

https://www.dropbox.com/s/umzhekf05fagba4/Cinema_EOS_Comparison_Sheet_200922.pdf

Blackmagic is using "free" version to lure people in, once they got stuck its hard for people to move out to another NLE which I see is happening now, so either get BRAW camera or use other NLE  I am afraid.  

Thankfully Sigma FP can do both.

But yeah there is no "free" lunch whatsoever.. always a goal behind it.

On 10/11/2020 at 8:34 AM, deezid said:

Atomos keeps adding a few new cameras each month. How many cameras did BMD add to their Braw-lineup?

its more about locking into an eco system than cameras for Blackmagic.

Blackmagic - BRAW/Cameras/Davinci/Fusion from shoot to edit, isn't their latest 12K camera shoot only BRAW?

RED - RED RAW and Red accessories that lock the user (less so with komodo on accessory)

Apple- Prores/FCX

Remember, they are profit driven first, not some charity!

So did a 7hr music video shoot today from 4-11pm  (sunset 7:40pm here)

R5 did see 4k50p drop to 25min a few times, but most of the time is 29.59.

Used another 1 and half battery, and 1 128gb and 1 64gb card, I really need a 256gb sd card for 4k50p.

7 hours ago, rdouthit said:

In my case with the R6 and 1.1.1 firmware, it still overheats like crazy, even at 4k/30p. I can't comment on the R5, as I haven't used it. But, having previously shooting with the Sony A7RIII I can say -- as amazing as the images were -- I just don't need 45MP shots at this point. 

Yeah R6 will be my ideal camera if not for the overheating. I think the 30MP on R is the sweetspot for me. I usually shoot medium size on those large mp camera.

Just R5 have the option for longer recording if needed, R6 will have to use Full HD. If R6 have LQ4k mode that will be sweet too.

17 hours ago, dvcrn said:

Interesting thread! I am on the edge of what to do, whether to go and sell my EOS R and switch to Sony, or to get an R5. 

That on R6, I been using on R5 for a few shoot but haven't seen overheating sign yet.

Just sold my EOS R as I can really use R5 for pro shoot. 

Did a MV shoot last night, shooting everything 4k50p both internally and to Ninja V, no overheating after 1 and half battery.

Got another shoot on Sunday and will update on that.

The Sigma Art 35 1.4 works pretty well.. like it more than my rf 35 1.8

Well Apple and Blackmagic are direct RAW format competitor, so doubtful it will be supported anytime soon.  Either go Final cut or Premiere, or pick camera with BRAW?

I myself might go get Macbook with Final cut for best prores raw support, and i never used final cut ever..

Quick Vlog test during lunch break

Finally got S5 back from friend, I do love the look of s5 more than other brand.. really digging the vintage vibe it gives out!

The Sigma 45mm 2.8 have this clicking sound when in video AF, in MF it is silent. Wonder has anyone else encounter this? The 20-60 is quite silent on the other hand.

DR result out, lower than what Gerald tested?

https://www.cined.com/sony-a7s-iii-lab-test-does-it-live-up-to-the-hype/

31 minutes ago, mkabi said:

Red Helium is a touch overboard (in my opinion). And, I'm not disagreeing... there is going to be competition (no doubt) - but you need to figure out how to differentiate yourself. Rolls Royce has Bentley and a slew of other car companies... people are still buying those in a world where house prices have gone up from $440K to $950K, right???

 

 

That is very true, hence I m moving away from wedding, profit margin just too low vs corporate or motorspot for billionaire.

50 minutes ago, mkabi said:

Those of you guys doing wedding videos... don’t take this the wrong way.... but you are doing something wrong. I don’t know what you’re doing, but I know it’s not right.

 

2010 and 2020 is quite a lot of difference

The house price went from avg $440K to $950K here, but the wage didn't increase double. As result of that more people just do civil marriage or smaller weddings, and the number of people getting married is down each year as well, while more wedding videographer pop up each year as equipment is getting much easier and cheaper to aquire.  So more people grabbing a shrinking pie.

We done jibs before too, album covers, poster etc, and even rent Red Helium.  Just the overall trend of wedding market is down in general. I stopped wedding as my main income around 2016, I  only do second shoots if my video friend need help, otherwise i just defer inquiry to my friends as it just not worth the hassle for me when I get better return elsewhere.

Rode Wireless Go and Blink 500 are only good for short distance, for long distance or have view blocked (like body facing away from camera) a G3/G4 will be much better. So it depend on your distance

6 hours ago, herein2020 said:

Yes I think the cell phone is really hurting this industry for events. My next least favorite trend is somehow in my area wedding photographers are paid more than wedding videographers. These days it seems like the videographers are hired as an afterthought and only with whatever funds are left over from the wedding photographer.  I've turned down multiple requests this year because they had no budget and every one of them had already hired their wedding photographer.

In here video always get paid less than photographer for wedding, but for corporate it's the otherway round.

I get paid more for covering motospot races than full on wedding.

1 hour ago, Simon Young said:

"I got less time on S35 in 4K50P than FF 4K50p (20min vs 30min), FF 4K50p/60p is not oversampled."

@ntblowz I was thinking about s35 24/25p, which doesn't overheat.  

I haven't tried the 24/25/30p so can't comment, theoretically it should give less heat than 4KHQ

Well here is my thought on the R5 after the race day

1. AF   The most reliable method for me is the Zone AF, tracking AF on cars can get lost when I also do the panning or when the car is down to certain area on screen or if there is a lot of cars which can block the view. Expand AF can get OoF once the car goes past and I have to use manual to get back in focus quickly otherwise it is really really slow to get back to focus. (with telephoto lens), There is still occasional focus hunt when I panning across to follow the car (from forward to sideway)

2. Custom Video Mode Major advantage over R6 is the custom video mode, currently I have set to FHD/4K50P/4K100P, so when I want to change I just press the mode and change. I can totally feel the pain for R6 user which currently doesn't have this, Canon should really update R6 for this feature.

3. Movie Crop Mode You can't set the movie crop mode to a custom key which is super dumb, I have to go to menu each time i want to do crop mode, on Sony and Panasonic you can set key for much faster access.  If you shoot in crop mode and change to your custom mode it will still shoot in crop mode (unless in 4K100/120/8K).

4. NTSC/PAL Selector  Much better done on Canon than Sony or Panasonic, just change the frequency and shoot, no need to format card (Sony) or restart camera (Panasonic), so if I need more slowmo I just change to NTSC and keep on shooting.

5. Battery Issue  I had problem where it just suddenly give me error when using EF Lens on the adapter on the genuine LP-E6N battery, I have to use LP-E6NH to make the problem go away. I will need to investigate this more. Though I feel I might get more LP-E6NH at end and sell the old LP-E6N.

6. No CLOG on H.264 This is probably the most dumbest move on Canon, we get that HEVC offer twice the efficiency but the bitrate is quite healthy on the H.264, there is absolute no technical issue for clog not on H.264! Hope Canon can really fix this as X.265 is so awful to edit.  There is HDR PQ to increase DR on H.264 if you dont want X.265 or Andrew's EOSHD Clog to emulate Clog on H.264, I used cinestyle as it matches up with the 1DX2 which also use cinestyle to help with edit in post as the video is due next day.  My editor have no problem editing the 4K50P on H.264, though 4K100P is still lag feast on Ryzen 7 4800H.

Other than that the editor say the video quality is definitely better than the C100MKII I shot on previous race, unfortunately we can't share our video as it belongs to the TV station (for subscriber only) but here is the  video from the team's media team  (some of my R5 footage is from 4:36 onwards)

3 hours ago, Hangs4Fun said:

No products or services to sell.  I only mentioned Leeming LUTs because I thought they were considered neutral corrective LUTs. I don't care what LUTs people use, but do want to communicate what I have chosen to start with.  I shared a Vimeo link because its better quality than YouTube and no commercials.  

I just want to share what I could on a camera I've been waiting a long time for and learn and work through the new options. 

Its hard starting out on these bigger forums and getting any feedback.  If you look back over my posts, I think you will see how much I've shared what ever I could find and put a lot of time into it.

Right now I'm trying to work through my new A7S3 so I can get the most out of it.  Im new to 10bit and RAW, so was hoping to get these new workflows dialed in.   Along the way I was planning to share what I learned.

Sony agent? Now that made me chuckle.  I do have a Sony PRO Support account and try to get info from them to share here, and have.  Even taking questions from here and getting accurate answers from Support.  I do have mostly Sony gear,  kind of stuck now, too much glass and time with the system.  

In the past I just made hammocking videos and published to my tiny YT channel, named after my trailname Hang4Fun)..  But this year I am starting to do paid shoots.  Been trying to learn the ropes and share as I go. 

So breaking forum rule is ok without remorse at all?  Doesnt seem fair to us who try to follow the rule?

17 hours ago, Simon Young said:

From all the testing I’ve seen on YouTube (which is a lot) the R5’s oversampled aps-c mode in 4K is very good indeed, and doesn’t  seem to overheat. This should also be something worth considering with regards to the R5, especially if you tend to shoot on longer lenses.

Unfortunately my R5 is yet to be delivered but I feel this crop mode might turn out to be the mode I’ll use the most.

I got less time on S35 in 4K50P than FF 4K50p (20min vs 30min), FF 4K50p/60p is not oversampled.

4K Screengrab from R5, I think i can just grab stills from video.. much easier this way., rolling shutter is quite acceptable on R5.