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The 'Enhance' feature on CCTV is not longer reserved for detective series.
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video surveillance is about to get REAL good!
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The niggle with the P4P comes with the tele lens. The first being that 60mm equivalent might actually be a bit too tight for some purposes. It has an alluring shallow depth of field that vloggers will be drawn to using for filming themselves but it’s just that too tight to be held at a distance that will give a decent framing. The second of course is that it can’t use the new D-Log2 as it’s got a different sensor which means another step in post in swapping in correction LUTs on shots that use it. This is compounded by the utterly ridiculous limitation that you have to stop recording and manually change profiles. So if you are on the 20mm enjoying your bonkers 17 stops of dynamic range you can’t zoom through to get a tighter shot without stopping recording and selecting the lower profile. The answer is to always stick in the lower profile )or even a standard non-LOG one) but DJI really need to have a firmware update to allow a way of automatically transitioning if you are using DLog-2. It will still require the recording being stopped (automatically though if they implement it) and the extra step in post of making sure you have the correct LUT for each type of shot but it avoids the titting about with the small touch screen to change profiles, something which will be become very old very quickly. For me, I’d keep it in the standard Dlog profile for general use and treat the D-Log2 as more of a special case when I need more stops than a church organ. The lens though is not something that can be solved with a firmware update and for some people (not me as I am as averse to my own face as other onlookers are) it will be an issue when they start using it in earnest.
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Cined just published their tests of the DJI OSMO Pocket 4P camera, with the new LOFIC sensor, and oh boy does it deliver! Highlights from their testing (of the wide camera): 16 stops at SNR=2, and 17.2 stops at SNR=1, with no internal NR (better than the Alexa 35 and any other camera they've ever tested) 10+ stops of latitude (second only to the Alexa 35) and potentially limited by the 10-bit codec and maybe not the sensor 11ms rolling shutter (not bad, and better than DGO designs) Their studio lights weren't powerful enough to clip the sensor, it has that much DR! The telephoto camera from the DJI isn't a LOFIC sensor and despite testing very well it's not at the same level of performance. The full test: https://www.cined.com/dji-osmo-pocket-4p-lab-test-rolling-shutter-dynamic-range-and-exposure-latitude/ In watching their podcast presentation they revealed a bunch of other interesting info: This is the first of these (tiny consumer) devices that isn't trying to adapt itself to the scene, so it's a "real camera" in the sense that it's not heavily processing things They mentioned they had the iPhone 17 Pro in for testing and even when it was in full manual mode, just by moving the focus point it would change the test results etc As the main DJI camera is ~20mm FOV, they had to develop a new testing setup so the bright patches of the Xyla didn't reflect from the camera onto the dim patches etc LOFIC sensors are likely to be coming into smartphones soon, as this is where the money is in the R&D Sony are working on a smaller version of a LOFIC sensor which would be suitable for smartphones and also for the telephoto camera on the DJI Also, the OG BMPCC got a mention, as they were talking about how it would be great to have such a sensor in a "real" camera body and with interchangeable lenses etc, but MFT sensor size isn't that far away from this, so that could also happen too. Panasonic went DGO and maybe would do this too.. I'm stoked for the GH8!! Just incredible, and I second the idea of fitting one of these to a body like the OG BMPCC! Images. Waveform plot for the DJI OSMO Pocket 4P 20mm wide D-Log2 ISO1600 Imatest result for the 20mm wide camera, D-Log2 at ISO1600 Latitude tests of the wide camera: The 4-stop over, which due to their lighting restrictions was still probably 1-2 stops from clipping:
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Smallest real 720p or 1080p P&S camera?
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The GM1 is long gone, but here's the tiny a110 lens: FWIW, my wife and I made a doc 10 years ago using the GX7 and the GM1 (with a different lens). It was fun. I did use the a110 primes I have for a short film. Finally, I also have the a110 Pentax film camera and have started shooting with it just for kicks.
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Greetings Fellow Creators, Please be sure to check out my Ogg Game Music Mega Pack. It has over 1400 tracks in it (looping and non-looping) so you can download all of my video game music at once...a huge time-saver. Here's the link: https://soundimage.org/ogg-game-music-mega-pack/ You can also download my smaller genre packs here: https://soundimage.org/ogg-music-packs-2/ That said, this week's brand new free-to-use-with-attribution music tracks are on my Fantasy 13 page. They are: "THE WIZARD'S CONCOCTION" "VILLAGE IN ASHES" Here's a link to that page: https://soundimage.org/fantasy-13/ I can't believe July is almost over...summer is going by so fast! Well, see you in August then! -
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The old DPReviews are still the best outside the regular modern blog posts and Youtube vids of the cameras being revisited. Unfortunately that recent DPR re design wasn't kind - the site is almost unusable now.
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Sony FX5
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I agree about it being too smooth, especially because the position of the camera isn't stabilised so there can be huge parallax movement which clashes with there being no movement in the direction of the camera at all. I raised the topic because it would be interesting to see a combination of OIS + IBIS + Super EIS where the EIS smoothes the motion rather than locking the image completely. It's much harder to get the locked stabilisation than just smoothing it and leaving some of the motion in the image, so it's definitely possible to tone it down a lot. Perhaps this topic will be what people are arguing about when the GH10 and FX5 IV and R5 mk 5 are all being released on top of each other, so we've got to leave something on the table for then!
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No worries : ) On a slightly different note, this new generation of pocket cameras, such as the Insta360 Luna Ultra and DJI Pocket 4 Pro, may well point in another direction altogether... They offer impeccable stabilisation ; ) Granted, it is not exactly the handheld look you seem to favour, but that is precisely the kind of character Sony’s less effective IBIS can give you, especially when paired with a lens without optical stabilisation ; )) And very strong low-light performance too: LU1 | LU2 | LU3 | LU4 on a film set | LU5 + LU6 shot in exactly that kind of venue by someone who, like you, says he had never been particularly keen on using pocket or action cameras. Well, until this one came along... & 4P1 | 4P2 | 4P3 There is far less need to worry about professional lighting rigs today. To put it very simply, both have changed the whole game IMHO : )) especially at such an affordable price range nowadays : X What a time to be alive and kickin'! :- )
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Sorry if I misread! I have! And it's TOO smooth for my tastes. It's very impressive, but I still want some natural handheld movement. It helps with the immersion. It's why I have never used a gimbal for the ringside action. The biggest issue with action cameras, even the new ones, is the low light just isn't great in most of these venues that don't have professional lighting rigs set up.
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Sony FX5
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It might be an unpopular thing to say, but ChatGPT might be useful in at least pointing you towards models you didn't know about. I've used it from time to time to ask about various things (recently about tiny FHD P&S cameras, but about other types of products too) and it seems to have reached a level now where it doesn't hallucinate much, especially if you're just asking it for products that meet a set of criteria rather than asking it to list the full spec sheet. You still have to fact check anything important, and it's also quite biased (anything trained on the internet will be pretty skewed but camera content is probably more skewed than average!) so I'd suggest it's probably about as good as the average camera forum user, who is just as likely to have irrational brand opinions and loyalties and gaslight you about resolution and lens sharpness etc!
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I've filmed a lot while walking, often on uneven ground, and I agree with your assessment. Even using Dual-IS (lens OIS and IBIS) on Panasonic cameras like GH5 / GX85 / GH7 you'd have to be much more ninja-like than I manage to be most of the time. I haven't tried the EIS setting on top of the Dual-IS, but by looking at the footage afterwards, I can tell that I'm not hitting the limits of the stabilisation by only a small amount - it tends to be stable and then jump pretty abruptly. I've filmed with setups that only had OIS or no stabilisation at all and so I appreciate the magic Panasonic is working, but there are limits to everything. I can't imagine what it would be like trying to follow people who are likely to be pretty unpredictable and jumping around etc trying to surprise their opponent. Have you ever used any of the newer breed of action cameras that have the ultra-hyper-giga-maxxed-stabilisation modes? I haven't, but they look basically like magic, stabilising people running and biking etc which is well beyond the OIS / IBIS / EIS territory on normal cameras. It would be fascinating if someone made a normal camera with a mode like that where it takes a large crop into the lens but delivers that kind of stabilisation. I can imagine using a wider prime, like a 16mm or 24mm with that mode to grab shots that are 2x cropped but smooth like butter.
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kye reacted to a post in a topic:
Smallest real 720p or 1080p P&S camera?
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kye reacted to a post in a topic:
Smallest real 720p or 1080p P&S camera?
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You could add the Sony ZV-1 to the list (original version, which has lens OIS) - it's basically the same size and weight as the RX100 V but more video orientated. I own both the ZV-1 and an HX99 (which is tiny, shoots 4k up to 30p, with a pop-up EVF and a fantastic zoom range for a camera that small - helped at the long end by only having a 1/2.3″ sensor, of course). Unless you really need the zoom range or EVF, the ZV-1 shoots better video (with a mic jack too) and very nice stills. You can also get a JJC stick-on 52mm filter adaptor for it - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07GWQ6CXL (The Sony menu system will annoy you though if you're used to Panasonic cameras...)
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The LX10/LX15 is a solid little camera. The big differentiator (aside from price) over the Sony 1” cameras is the f1.4 aperture at the wide end. That comes with a couple of caveats in that it doesn’t stay f1.4 very far into the range and shooting in 4K there is a bit of a crop. It takes my cinelike-D hack and I also put a magnetic filter thread on mine that enables you to put ND on it and/or in my case a Sony 2x TC that you can quickly pop on and off to extend the range. These are some grabs from mine. The top panel is lens at it’s widest, the middle is maximum zoom and bottom is maximum zoom with the TC on. If you want to have one with a natural long zoom range on it then their other 1” from the time the TZ100 has a 10x optical zoom. Can also take the cinelile-d hack.
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I've been AI-ing, googling, and searching ebay, and it looks like there aren't any bargains to be had, although I can get a Sony WX30 for AUD200 / USD140 in great condition from Japan, and that's one of the smallest ones around (it's next to the GoPro on the left).. Video quality doesn't look too bad either, especially if the reference is 16mm or 35mm film.. The "logic" of the larger camera is pretty deafening though. Looking at the below... why use the WX30 when the slightly-larger RX100 or LX10 give you 4K and a drastically nicer image, and then why use those when the slightly-larger L10 has the GH7 sensor and V-Log and codecs instead of rec709, and now you're shooting with a brick! I realised I had a Lumix ZS20 sitting in a drawer and have now ordered a new battery charger and some new batteries for it, so that's a lot cheaper than a new camera and it's smaller than the LX10, especially when turned off. The struggle is real though.
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The GM1 is a seriously tiny camera.. how big is the Pentax lens on it? Do you have any pics of the setup? I have the F8 bodycap lens and it's tiny as well. My GF3 is pretty small, especially when combined with the F8 pancake, but unfortunately if you analyse the image it becomes pretty clear that it's closer to SD than 720p, so nowhere near the 1080p it claims. I had forgotten about that one.. if there was a Chamera Pro then that would have to be it, considering the lens FOV is somewhat normal compared to the UWA of action cameras, although it's still pretty wide compared to the Charmera (24mm vs 44mm). An RX0 mk3 with one of the new 48MP smartphone sensors and all the cropping modes that come with it would be a fascinating camera, although at that point you'd just put an UWA 14mm lens on it and now you've basically made the latest GoPro line!
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Actually, I was making exactly the opposite point from the one you made it sound as though I was making : D when I mentioned Lumix alongside the Oly case ; ) The other point is simply that one lens isn’t necessarily the same as another ; )) While much also depends on the way the operator handles the camera, a lens with optical stabilisation can make a night-and-day difference... speaking as someone who uses glass with and without it every day on the FX series :- )
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No lens is going to help stabilize running enough on any of the current Sony cameras to watch Lumix IBIS unless you use Catalyst Browse which just isn't an efficient option for 3 hour long events.
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The lens can also play a relevant role in order to reach the result you intend or need : ) even though, Oly or Panasonic may overcome it indeed :- )
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For fast action sports where you're moving quickly it's just not sufficient from what I've seen. If you're largely standing still I imagine it's sufficient but when you're running around a wrestling ring, not so much. My use case though is admittedly unique.
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None of these are unknown for the firmware team that already finished the development. Its not something they need time to discover. Also, when they promise the update in the marketing materials, they're officially admitting they have the solution. Heck they even let Philip Bloom to test it.
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Luna Ultra firmware update... v1.0.283: I-Log monitoring, zoom and general operation have improved a lot, while the POV Head Tracker (one of my favs, as you already know ; ) now also works with the camera mounted upside down, with better control accuracy and standby power consumption on the detachable display has also been reduced : )
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Sony RX0 is reasonably small. Not a zoom however and you might regard it as an “action cam” (albeit without stabilisation it isn’t!).
