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Here's Canon's 28mm (notice the price): An one from NIkon: Panasonic gave us a 26mm FIXED f/8 MANUAL FOCUS lens for $200. What the hell, Panasonic? And where's the pancake 35-50mm? We need that too for this camera! With the F8 lens, this is actually debatable. It shouldn't be, but it is! After a couple days of processing the news and the leaks fiasco, I, along with so many others, am most disappointed in the that drilled-out hockey puck of a lens cap. I give them an "A" for inspiration and a "F" for usability and value. The other thing is the lack of any sort of a mechanical shutter on a slow, old, 24MP sensor. Why didn't they include a stripped down version of a mechanical shutter, like what they had on the GM1, GM5, G100, GX800, GF(all of them), etc. We had up to 1/500 in mechanical, making the cameras so much more usable in many more situations. Also, the option of a flash is possible. In essence, the S9 is a l-mount video centric camera without a headphone jack and all kinds of overheating limitations. It tries, and loses, to compete with the sharing abilities of a phone. With that F8 lens, it barely competes on the image quality. The IBIS, as good as it is, is only comparable to a phone. Its saving grace is the fact you can change lenses and make much more of it, but even then, you still don't have a mechanical shutter for general photography. Again, it's an "A" for looks, but a "D" for a photo or video camera. I say all of this with a grain of salt because I base everything on the specs and what I've heard. With time, I might completely change my mind. Also, it looks super cool and that would be a trump factor. M43 (or other real cameras) are much better suited for general photography.

Depends on your priorities? (speed of turn around / stills vs video / etc) And what type of traveling you're doing?? Certainly something I've been pondering myself lately, as I'm hopefully going overseas next year for a few months. What do I bring? My Panasonic GH4 + Fujifilm X-E3? Or more cameras? (my Nikon D5200/D90 as well? Or my Panasonic G6) Or less... just one of them?? Or buy yet another camera?? Maybe splurge out like a nut case and buy a brand new Sony FX30 to rule them all? Or something less crazy, a secondhand Panasonic G9mk1? Or a Nikon D750 or Nikon Z6mk1?? Or an old school Sony a7Smk1 with the Monster Adapter LA-FE2??? (or a7S mk2? Or Sony a7Rmk2 because it does better S35 filming?) Or Sony ZV-E10?? Should I go out and get a point and shoot such as a Sony RX100mk3? Or a cheaper Panasonic LX7?? Do I bring my crappy GoPro Hero 3 Black? Or go out and buy a fancy Sony RX0? Or a DJI Osmo Pocket 2?? And don't even get me started on the question of what lenses to bring... (or even worse, I haven't even touched upon discussing what sound gear to bring... !!!)

Just reread my last post and realized I meant to write that you guys can be discussing 16K and I'll still be praising... anyway you get my point. Also in my haste, @BTM_Pix I forgot to mention that one thing I noticed from that video which really helped was his use of old Hollywood close ups with a glowing blurry background. I think it helped to add to the feel of the piece. And with that, I think the feature film he was working on is almost completed. However I assume he shot it on the Komodo because I think that's his camera of choice now.

It's neither.

it is necessary, but not a necessity.

Or maybe they want to place another order with the factory but there is too much stock out there to make it an easy decision, so it could be part inventory management, part PR, and part market testing. I'm just guessing of course, but I have noticed that retail tends to prioritise moving units over profit. I've heard people before say that they'd prefer to be moving units even if it was without any profit margin at all rather than make profit but have very low throughput. I don't pretend to understand why..

What’s a better setup if you were traveling? Ricoh and Pocket or just the s9 for both

I think for some who don’t want to spend time in post, these software features are truly moving the needle forward in a very positive way.

For it to be full frame then f2.8 might be tricky ish to keep it super compact. But at the very least a 28mm f4 (i.e. roughly doubling the 14mm f2.5 specs) should have been possible!! (or heck, why not at least f5.6??? Why does it have to be f8 for goodness sake??) Maybe third-party lenses will have to come to the rescue to say the Panasonic S9 as a true "everyday walk around camera". Such as this pancake lens for only US$99 (manual focus only), 35mm f5.6: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1628287-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a006b_l_35mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html Or the Sigma 17mm f/4, or Sigma 24mm f/3.5 , or Sigma 45mm f/2.8, all are autofocus lenses: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1757611-REG/sigma_415969_17mm_f_4_dg_dn.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1605137-REG/sigma_24mm_f_3_5_dg_dn.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1492965-REG/sigma_360969_45mm_f_2_8_dg_dn.html Or adapted M Mount lenses: Voigtlander 21mm f/4 or Voigtlander 28mm f/2.8 or Voigtlander 35mm f/2.5 or Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 or Voigtlander 40mm f/1.4 or Voigtlander 40mm f/1.2 or Voigtlander 40mm f/2.8: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/483740-REG/Voigtlander_BA211P_Color_Skopar_21mm_f_4_0_P.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1781163-REG/voigtlander_ba379e_28mm_f_2_8_color_skopar_m_type.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/326913-REG/Voigtlander_45BA245C_Color_Skopar_Pan_35mm_f_2_5.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1494427-REG/voigtlander_ba347c_nokton_classic_35mm_f_1_4.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/355977-REG/Voigtlander_45BA246B_Nokton_40mm_f_1_4_M_Mount.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1378116-REG/voigtlander_ba342a_nokton_40mm_f_1_2_aspherical.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1695929-REG/voigtlander_ba324e_heliar_40mm_f_2_8_aspherical.html Or instead of Voigtlander, go with a cheap Chinese brand of lenses, TTArtisan 28mm f/5.6, 7artisans Photoelectric 35mm f/5.6 (same US$99 lens as before, but in a more versatile M Mount instead of L Mount), AstrHori 40mm f/5.6, 7artisans 28mm f/5.6: https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1711280-REG/ttartisan_f2856blm_28mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1628285-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a006b_35mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1794221-REG/astrhori_a11b_40mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1702411-REG/7artisans_photoelectric_a011b_28mm_f_5_6_lens_for.html Nah, as it is adapted M Mount (unless there is an adapter which grants AF to manual M Mount lenses?? I've seen such amazing feats accomplished with an E Mount adapter, has anybody done this for L Mount too??) The Panasonic S9 is however a massive improvement of any smartphone camera, and so long as they make it nearly as very easy to post immediately to social media as it's possible with your own smartphone, then perhaps the S9 still has a niche for the social media addicted content creators. The integrated gimbal the DJI Osmo Pocket 3 has is hard for anything else to compete against in this market niche. It's better than the IBIS of the S9 for sure! But for photographers, then the S9 is going to be more appealing than a DJI Osmo Pocket 3

I wonder if that indicates they've ceased production of this camera?

Ah, right... I'd forgotten about the frame interpolation. Doing it your way bakes in the 3:2 pattern, but at least it won't look like someone accidentally slipped the audience something in their drinks!

I've used it on my 700D and yeah, it's not winning any UI awards that's for sure. Then again, I hear that the Sony menus give people nightmares so who knows. But when it comes to the image, it's like I said, different people wanting different things. All the professional colourists are taking the high-end Alexa footage and doing NR, softening / blurring, adding grain, and sometimes adding halation and diffusion - even on top of the vintage primes many movies were shot on. Then on the forums everyone is like "Dune looked AMAZING, I wish my films looked like that... anyway, who wants a 16K camera with no noise at ISO 100,000 and sharper Sigma Art lenses?" Yeah. People are even converting 24p movie clips to 4K 60p using AI and uploading those to YT. I suppose that's in-keeping with our current phase of revisionist history 😂😂😂

Naive question, but is it AF?

Yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zai08FOZ0fU

M mount adapter + Summicron-M 50mm f/2.

Lighting has always been more important than camera choice.

What a dope

I think it's time for Ed's speaking tour to make a comeback 🙂

The company Nikon SHOULD have bought.

Yellow jersey.

A weak person looks at a wrongdoing and thinks, ah too bad that's normal because look over there - the others are doing it too, whereas any person of any principals or character all would strongly condemn it. You just find the large scale fraud 'merely disappointing' tho. LOL! Through no fault of his own you are going to suggest next?? For those he cheated out of career success it wasn't merely disappointing and if you think it is 'merely disappointing' to have disgusting ethics, cheat in sport, do drugs and try to cover it up, and profit in prize money, fame and sponsorship from a huge sporting fraud, then perhaps someone like you would have no qualms about joining them yourself or colluding with people like that given the chance as it's 'not that bad'. Just like a certain camera boss is suspected of doing.

And pocket 3 ! I love the portability of my Ricoh gr3x but for video I was liking the pocket 3 but man, the s9 images I’m starting to see are pretty amazing. I’m fixated on the garbage f8 released with it but I’m now curious are there 3rd party options for the s9 that have small footprint lenses that can be thrown alongside the s9 Ina. Fanny pack?

And of course I meant to type 24 (not 23) there. I find the projectionists can vary a lot in experience. They can range from the very experienced to volunteers. If you can make your file fool proof it'll hopefully look good.

Wish I had more money. Emmanuel, this looks fantastic, and I just mentioned it in another thread so I thought I'd come here and state the same thing... As much as I like the image from these BM cameras... and this is just gorgeous... I am starting to notice when I look around at the low to no budget film community that everyone is using a BM camera now and everything looks the same. It seems the influencers on YT have developed a canned cinematic look, that although looks nice, it's also rather boring looking in some ways... or I guess the better way to say it is that it looks too similar to everything else. But... I really must say that it looks fantastic and if I had the money, I would have ordered one by now, especially at this price.