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Sony drop a bombshell with 4K raw, 180fps and global shutter - here are the Sony F5 and F55!

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Sony are set to shake up the digital cinema market with a specs war, at less than half the price of the Epic and also at the C300 price point of $15k.

The Sony F5 (priced to compete with the Canon C300) takes the compact form of the FS100 / FS700 but adds a Red-style modularity and the more logical control layout of the Alexa. The F55 has the same ergonomic design but even more importantly the more expensive camera features an utterly ground-breaking new sensor with a global shutter for the first time on a digital cinema camera.

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Just gone official...

More here http://pro.sony.com/bbsc/ssr/show-highend/resource.solutions.bbsccms-assets-show-highend-F5.shtml

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Wow... I read $25k usd.. I like your number better.. Delete my post;). It's far more pessimistic, lol

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Could well be $25k, my pricing info was preliminary and I had it a week ago. What I was hearing was that the F5 was meant to compete with the C300 on price at $15k, but frankly they don't have to with specs like that. Maybe they will put it in the middle, around the 20k mark and drop to 16k in a few months.

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Pretty crazy.. At that price range these definitely look like they rule the kingdom.. 16bit, global shutter kind of takes the ball and runs with it. Now onto Reduser, lol..

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How big is the sensor? I couldn't find it in the battery of specs. Is it inferred from the PL mount?

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We learned with the Scarlet vs. C300 price comparisons that the only thing worth comparing pricewise is [b]total cost of ownership[/b].

Sure the camera body may cost $15K but what good does that do you if you need another $20K of proprietary add ons to shoot at the quoted specs and media costs $40/minute at those specs.

I'm sure when you have the proper info you will go over TCO for each attractive camera option in practice.
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Thanks for the fast update!
You always find the information first at your blog.
Sony really ON, Canon must start working :)

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Sounds good, I wont be able to get one in the perceivable future, but good :)

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I'm convinced that it's almost impossible to compete with Sony. They are on a roll that is impressive when you think about all the cameras they've produced all the way down to their Consumer Camcorders. They must have an enormous R&D department to have simultaneously developed so many cameras. It's unreal. They move faster than everyone else too.
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Well... You can get a Mark 3 for $3000 now. Sigh..
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Great cameras. I always guessed Sony has many advantages over the competition (it manufactures sensors, TVs, Blue Ray, LCD Screen, Tablets, etc etc, basically everything, plus Columbia Tristar Pictures).
Though, maybe the F5 and F55, will eat as much into the F700 and F65 territory, a they will, into the EPICs and Alexas.
I am guessing that, Arri will be out with a 4k Camera, before the end of the year (maybe they will just put some shit, into a fancy looking housing/ casing, and say its a brilliant 4k camera, with 15 bits of Dynamic Range, and can shoot 240fps @ 4k RAW, and then tell their engineers, to get going, at a war footing. :D Since none will be allowed to review the camera, none would really be able to call the bluff.)

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Hey Andrew - one correction: the FS700 will also use the AKS-R5.

The HXR-IFR5 is just the name for the thing that connects the FS700 to the AKS-R5.

Otherwise, yep. Great summary!

Oh - and if you look at the pic of the camera you'll see an ND filter switch.

Jon Fauer has some good info at fdtimes.com - the RAW is 3.6:1 compression, etc.

Now the real question is price! $15k for the F5 and $25k for the F55 would be great. Wonder how much the RAW recorder and media will be! I'm guessing RAW recorder a little expensive, media expensive but not as bad as RED (Sony's media for the F65 is actually cheaper than RED media at the moment). And those lenses look nice. Prices! Prices!

I wonder if they won't announce a slightly high price just to keep F3 sales going... then do some kind of weird financing / rebate thing when the cams actually launch in early 2013 to take the price down $1000.

Exciting times for filmmakers.

Totally agree on the Alexa and RED influences. And one more thought - doesn't this also look similar to Panasonic's modular 4K design that they showed pics of at last NAB?

Bruce Allen
www.boacinema.com

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[quote name='sanveer' timestamp='1351582687' post='20587']
Great cameras. I always guessed Sony has many advantages over the competition (it manufactures sensors, TVs, Blue Ray, LCD Screen, Tablets, etc etc, basically everything, plus Columbia Tristar Pictures).
Though, maybe the F5 and F55, will eat as much into the F700 and F65 territory, a they will, into the EPICs and Alexas.
I am guessing that, Arri will be out with a 4k Camera, before the end of the year (maybe they will just put some shit, into a fancy looking housing/ casing, and say its a brilliant 4k camera, with 15 bits of Dynamic Range, and can shoot 240fps @ 4k RAW, and then tell their engineers, to get going, at a war footing. :D Since none will be allowed to review the camera, none would really be able to call the bluff.)
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I think they're just sticking to how awesome their Alexa is now.. Skyfall was uprez'd to 4k from arriraw. I figure that's their angle, lol.. "Shhhhiiiiiit bra!! We don't need 4k! .... Our TWO-k is still better.... Aint nobody watchin' 4k anyway!... Hugo bitchiz!"
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[quote name='Germy1979' timestamp='1351583230' post='20589']
I think they're just sticking to how awesome their Alexa is now.. Skyfall was uprez'd to 4k from arriraw. I figure that's their angle, lol.. "Shhhhiiiiiit bra!! We don't need 4k! .... Our TWO-k is still better.... Aint nobody watchin' 4k anyway!... Hugo bitchiz!"
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That would be even more embarrassing. If the 2.8k on the Alexa beats the 4k on everyone else ... :P

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wow amazing camera great news!
now can't wait for tomorrows red announcement

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[quote name='sanveer' timestamp='1351583570' post='20591']


That would be even more embarrassing. If the 2.8k on the Alexa beats the 4k on everyone else ... :P
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Agreed... I don't think they just clicked and drug the corners of the image to fit 4k in Adobe, lol... But it would be interesting to see the uprez'ing process they used...


What's even funnier is, what if they did.. (Click and drag..).

Had to be the reason that thing is $80,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.00.

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I hope this rents cheaply when it's around. Alexa is lovely but costs about 600 pounds a day!!! I managed to get the FS700 for a super cheap 120 pounds a day here in the UK. I hope this is about 250 PD.

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Well the rumour was that Sony was in trouble & were going to be bold, because they had to be.
The war is on!
Will be v.interesting to see how everyone else reacts.

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Using 2K how does this beat the BMC except in sensor size. Surely 2K is the only doable option for most of us.

The only advantage I can see is 4K and for me would be way to much money for peripheral gear working in 2k raw is bad enough. I can't even see a reason for TV to use 4K for much of their stuff.

Skyfall was just completed using arri raw. 4k for me is still in the future even if they should bring out 4k TV.

I think if Sony wants to win in the market place then they really need to competitively price this and the media.

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HD TV channels in Britain aren't even true 1080, so 2or4k for TV is a distant dream or is it really necessary/possible.
When HD was a possibility for the BBC, only the big programmes filmed in HD & this is still true today - too expensive & time consuming for high turn over TV programmes.

Why TV companies didn't band together to stream through cable is beyond belief - only Virgin saw the future in cable.

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Two amazing cameras there... Although i think the overall package prices may bring people back down to earth. Time will tell.

Please note that the F35/Genesis/Ikonoskop use a global sensor too, so this isn't the first digital cinema camera to do so, but i think it is the first 4K output with global sensor.

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4K Home Entertainment in the USA is going to be nuts! You better believe there will be many fathers & sons wanting 4K for blah blah Superbowl X... There are conservative suburb laxed out retired men that IF SOLD right will want to watch golf like never before or any sport for that matter. Just wait until bars and pubs start buying those 84inch 4K sets and 4K live streaming starts rolling out steadily.... The point is 4K is coming no matter what and I strongly recommend everyone to jump on the wagon and not worry so much about filmmaking. Curious what Panasonic has up their sleeves... They've been really slow as of late. Probably focusing on proprietary shit as always

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