Canon USA drops new teaser (FX30 competitor?)

[eatstoomuchjam]

3 minutes ago, Danyyyel said:

Why do you think an R5ii would be more at risk, when they cater for completely different market. The R5ii gives you a premium photo camera experience, while this one would be more for videographers that might occasionally shoot some photos. 

The new camera is coming out at a similar price point to the R5 II and I know several people who bought R5 series cameras primarily for video work.  I'd be glad to be wrong about this one, of course.

And as Django pointed out, they might go e-shutter only which would be likely to turn off a lot of photographers.  Of course, if RS is <10ms, that might un-turn off some of them.

Speaking for myself, the biggest question is whether it would have DGO.  I would take 33 megapixels with 2 extra stops thanks to DGO over 45 megapixels.

OLPF might also be a thing that would push it more to the strictly video side of things, but if it had one and between DGO and OLPF, it had an image like the C70, but in a smaller body with better low-light performance and more reliable AF, it might be in the rare category of cameras that I'd be excited enough to buy new as opposed to waiting 6-12 months for them to get a 10% price drop on the used market...

[Ty Harper]

I'd agree with @eatstoomuchjam as this seems to be marketed as a hybrid cinema/photo cam so totally catering to the R5 MKIIs video/photo demo. As someone who has owned an R5 and currently has two R5Cs - personally, I was hoping the C50 would be the best of both pro cinema video and pro photo worlds with a footprint smaller than the R5Cs (closer to the R50V) - bcuz then it could also become my everyday walk around cam. But if it isn't I'd prob just bite the bullet and pick up a used R50V which are finally starting to show up on FB marketplace and kijiji.

[Django]

How is this marketed as a hybrid when its C line and the teaser today show it on sticks with a top handle on a film set? For all we know this won't even do stills like all the other Cxx/Cxxx. That would be ultimate cripple hammer lol.

This is clearly an FX3 competitor and the FX3 isn't much of a hybrid. It can take stills but it's cumbersome compared to the A7Siii. The absence of an EVF and possibly mech shutter will damper most serious photogs. Another thing to consider is the absence of IBIS, that would be a big mistake imo but Canon took it off the R5C and no C line camera has it. 

Also just saw the teaser on Instagram, it adds "Open your World" another hint towards open gate!

 

[eatstoomuchjam]

14 minutes ago, Django said:

How is this marketed as a hybrid when its C line and the teaser today show it on sticks with a top handle on a film set? For all we know this won't even do stills like all the other Cxx/Cxxx. That would be ultimate cripple hammer lol.

This is clearly an FX3 competitor and the FX3 isn't much of a hybrid. It can take stills but it's cumbersome compared to the A7Siii.

Sure, but if it's not at all hybrid, it's kind of a weird decision to put in a 7K sensor and downsample from it vs just using a native 6K sensor.  It's not to say that they wouldn't, just that it'd be a little weird.

Similarly, the A7SIII/FX3 are both 12 megapixel stills cameras.  While you can find some stills photographers who don't mind 24, a lot more who are OK with 33, and the vast majority are OK with 45.  You're really not going to find many who will accept 12.

[Django]

8 minutes ago, eatstoomuchjam said:

Sure, but if it's not at all hybrid, it's kind of a weird decision to put in a 7K sensor and downsample from it vs just using a native 6K sensor.  It's not to say that they wouldn't, just that it'd be a little weird.

Similarly, the A7SIII/FX3 are both 12 megapixel stills cameras.  While you can find some stills photographers who don't mind 24, a lot more who are OK with 33, and the vast majority are OK with 45.  You're really not going to find many who will accept 12.

Don't forget the A7SIII/FX3 is actually a 48MP quad-bayer sensor binned to 12MP for increased low light and low rolling shutter. Canon could be up to a similar trick here.

[Ty Harper]

37 minutes ago, Django said:

How is this marketed as a hybrid when its C line and the teaser today show it on sticks with a top handle on a film set? For all we know this won't even do stills like all the other Cxx/Cxxx. That would be ultimate cripple hammer lol.

Well bcuz it would join the R5C as being the only two cams in Canon's cinema line to offer video and photo features - which is basically what a cam needs to offer to be considered hybrid, no? But also, as someone who has two R5Cs I wouldn't be interested in it if it didn't offer video/photo capabilities. 

[Django]

2 minutes ago, Ty Harper said:

Well bcuz it would join the R5C as being the only two cams in Canon's cinema line to offer video and photo features - which is basically what a cam needs to offer to be considered hybrid, no? But also, as someone who has two R5Cs I wouldn't be interested in it if it didn't offer video/photo capabilities. 

R5C as its name and form factor suggest is a true hybrid. Not sure C50 is. Could be wrong of course but I have a feeling the stills side is going to be very limited, not to cannibalise R line.. or they could go the FX2 route which definitely cannibalises A7IV. 

[eatstoomuchjam]

1 hour ago, Django said:

Don't forget the A7SIII/FX3 is actually a 48MP quad-bayer sensor binned to 12MP for increased low light and low rolling shutter. Canon could be up to a similar trick here.

Anything is possible, of course, and I have absolutely no insight beyond rumors, but it still seems a little weird to me.  It should be a lot less computationally expensive to handle QB readout (I think this might even be done by circuitry in the sensor itself) than to take a 7K image and downsample it to 6K at high quality.  Seems like it'd be a pretty big hit on battery life and heat.  Good thing it's rumored to have a fan!

Although wasn't there recently a camera that came out and still overheated, even though it had a fan?  Maybe Canon's management saw that and got upset that somebody invented a hammer that they never even imagined and they instantly put their best people on it.  😉