New L-Mount Lumix (cinema?) Camera

[ntblowz]

When I was reading the comment I double checked to see if I m in the right group, which I was.

That post really irks the Sony shill in the group cause most of the comment is about the title or wait til Sony releases.

[ND64]

37 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

That post really irks the Sony shill in the group cause most of the comment is about the title or wait til Sony releases.

Thats exactly what he wanted.

[Andrew Reid]

Look at this hyperbole.

Depressing.

This is why I quit regular camera reviews, there are far more enjoyable and creative ways to do Youtube and journalism.

Why doesn't Gerald yearn to make a film instead or shoot instead? He has no interest in it. He knows his job and his role in this industry is to sell cameras.

[Andrew Reid]

And if the price keeps increasing on the current trajectory, there will be no camera market to speak of anyway.

[eatstoomuchjam]

6 minutes ago, Andrew Reid said:

Look at this hyperbole.

Tony and Chelsea are just excited for the chance to put out some sort of content other than Tony reading various rumor sites to the camera, dumb "what's the best camera" videos, sponsored software content, and insipid camera-vs-camera comparisons.

Also, they seem to have made a huge mistake uploading that one to YouTube - they forgot to use the photo of Tony looking surprised in the thumbnail.  Seriously - they're really channeling their old stock photography days with that one.  It's on like 50% of their thumbnails.

[newfoundmass]

Feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone where Gerald releases a glowing review of it, while Lumix users are stressing out about it before using it. It's usually the opposite!

[Andrew Reid]

Everyone is approaching this in their own way I suppose.

YouTuber's want to bring the hype in their main role as client journalists, I use the term journalist very lightly, the aim to strengthen their access to future launches and to reward the paymaster. Of course they've also got an eye on the view-counts and click-revenue, it's all going down as the camera market shrinks. They need to hype stuff, to get the numbers up. The more the numbers fall, the more repetitive embargoed hyperbolic shit you will see from these channels.

Panasonic loyal users are approaching it from the angle of, well, we waited 7 years and still love our S1H/S1, etc. and the S1 II is by no means a bad camera, new sensor and lots of nice video modes, so £3000 isn't so bad and I will agree with them and the reasons they have for making the purchase.

I meanwhile am coming at it less from the specs and image quality side at the moment (I don't have the demo units and don't plan to buy it either), so coming at it more from the big picture stuff, the market strategy and industry POV especially where it concerns Panasonic's survival, and whether they are doing enough to take market share off Canon, Nikon, Sony and Fujifilm, so that their higher-ups can justify them existing for much longer. This is very important for me, as I have a long history with Panasonic's products and we can't afford to lose a brand as important as Lumix from cameras.

Plus I just want to see some fucking creativity.

I am so tired of the same old formula of camera design and the lack of a basic exposure feature such as an ND filter is a tragic joke at this point.

[mtol]

I want one if the video isn't overly sharp in the details. I will wait and see though. I expect sales will not be super high, but being already set up with L-bodies this is a compelling camera.

[John Matthews]

13 hours ago, Simon Young said:

No OLPF, tons of moiré and slower readout than the much cheaper Z6iii (with excellent n-raw). Thanks but no thanks.

The S1H with an OLPF and Netflix approval also had moiré in some cases. It's more a function of distance to the repetitive pattern and readout mode. Basically, some are better than others in certain situations, but none are perfect.

7 hours ago, ArashM said:

I'm guessing there is no point comparing pricing between brands until all of them raise to counter tariffs... (sigh)

 

I agree. It's the wild west right now, making it hard for anyone to make a purchase decision. Still, the S1ii is easily worth it in my opinion, several hundred cheaper than the A7Siii which was a video-only camera (and there's significant inflation since then). This camera will sell well.

[MrSMW]

The summary for me is:

Decent spec in a decent enough but not exactly inspiring body but it will do, somewhat over-priced, in a competitive space in challenging times.

OK, can’t do much about the latter, but could very much have done something about all of the former (other than the tech spec I personally can’t complain about).

How much is a used FX3 and a pair of FX30’s going to be in 2026, because I already have all the glass?

[newfoundmass]

I think it's a good release, just a bit overpriced. $2500-2800 would be a much more competitive price point. I imagine it'll be under $3000 soon enough. 

I'll stick with my S5s and S5II X though. 

I do like the new lens. I like that it's size. But I think I'll stick with the 20-60 kit lens. That 20mm focal length is really nice to have. 

[newfoundmass]

I don't think Lumix gets nearly the credit they deserve for everything they throw into these cameras. You could argue that they almost put too much in. The codecs, frame rates, and aspect ratio options could be considered overwhelming by some folks. 

 

[Jahleh]

6 hours ago, mtol said:

I want one if the video isn't overly sharp in the details. I will wait and see though. I expect sales will not be super high, but being already set up with L-bodies this is a compelling camera.

I will wait too. The S1ii extra DR sounds nice, but not at the expence of overly sharp details with too much baked in NR. 
If the PRRaw is the only option to get rid of this with S1ii, Z6iii and N-Raw is the better option, as it works with Resolve and file sizes are less than half of PRRaw. 

After Z6iii got the latest 1.10 firmware update, there’s not much to complain about the Z6iii IQ in shadows, no need to use NR any more, unless you need to lift shadows over 1 or 2 stops. Could be the 135mm 1.8 Plena is doing it’s magic too in low light.
After 2.5 months shooting only N-Raw with normal quality I’ve got 1.5TB of footage. With PRRaw that would be over 3TB, and with H.265 only around 300GB🤪

 

[ND64]

46 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't think Lumix gets nearly the credit they deserve for everything they throw into these cameras. You could argue that they almost put too much in. The codecs, frame rates, and aspect ratio options could be considered overwhelming by some folks. 

 

Here is the summary: give Panasonic engineers a random sensor, and they give you the most video featured camera around that sensor that you could imagine. The problem is 1. Nobody gives them the state of the art sensor (or they don't like to pay high price) 2. They're asked to repeat themselves for similar sensor/bodies with overlapping customer target. 3. What they do is attractive for niche part of the hybrid market and not enough to absorb new customers. 4. "Similar offering to big three but at cheaper price" could kick the can down the road for a while, but even that strategy is no more with these prices. 5. When a market is saturated, and there are big players in that saturated market, the only way to survive is to be bold and different. Just like what Chinese discovered in the lens market, and so we're seeing 15mm macro! 

[Davide DB]

2 hours ago, MrSMW said:

How much is a used FX3 and a pair of FX30’s going to be in 2026, because I already have all the glass?

An FX3II or something is expected in the next few weeks so Pana will be again one step behind.

[MrSMW]

Just now, Davide DB said:

An FX3II or something is expected in the next few weeks so Pana will be again one step behind.

Not interested!

All of these current and recent models can do everything I need them to do and my only interest now is how compact a total kit I can make and do so at the lowest possible cost without sacrificing anything.

[Davide DB]

20 minutes ago, ND64 said:

When a market is saturated, and there are big players in that saturated market, the only way to survive is to be bold and different.

Exactly rhe motto I cited few pages ago: when in trouble, go big!

The responsibility doesn't lie with the engineers, but with the executives and the marketing/sales department.

[Davide DB]

19 minutes ago, MrSMW said:

Not interested!

All of these current and recent models can do everything I need them to do and my only interest now is how compact a total kit I can make and do so at the lowest possible cost without sacrificing anything.

I was only saying it to emphasize the fact that Panasonic truly seems to have a curse that haunts them, or simply the incompetence of their own executives. The timing and manner of presentation of their products are the worst that has ever been seen in industrial history.

As soon as the FX3 Mark II comes out, the used market will be flooded, and it's likely that in the following months the same fate will befall its APS-C sibling, the FX30.

[Thpriest]

I suppose it will depend on the Sony's price. Normally they are a fair bit higher. The FX3 was 4700€ (although it came with the XLR mount). The Lumix comparable XLR mount (not 32bit) is around 400€ new. So we'd still see an 800€ or so difference.

[Thpriest]

What I haven't seen yet is a bundle price with the new lens.