Panasonic Lumix S1R Mark II coming soon

[newfoundmass]

11 hours ago, zerocool22 said:

Here is an example where it is quite obvious. (With the s1ii vs blackmagic) the skintone difference is massive. While on the blackmagic I would not need to change the skintones at all on the s1ii it would need some tweaking to get rid off the red skintones. Ok many clients prolly won't notice it or would complain about it. But I sure do see it + panasonic has the most different colour science of sony. Which at the moment is the market leader over here. And 1 client specific told me they liked colour science of sony the most, prolly because the market is flooded with sony footage and that is what they are used too. (Was on a shoot with a mix of panasonic and sony camera's next to each other, so we had to grade the panasonic footage to the sony look :') )

 

Isn't all your personal issues with the image moot when you factor in the ability to add your own lut, thus giving you the color you want SOOC?

[zerocool22]

17 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

Isn't all your personal issues with the image moot when you factor in the ability to add your own lut, thus giving you the color you want SOOC?

Yeah I need to create my own lut, as so far I have not found one with good contrast. Have not tried baking in a lut. 

[MrSMW]

45 minutes ago, zerocool22 said:

Have not tried baking in a lut. 

as @newfoundmass said above, you can do your own thing and it’s easier than ever these days.

Too much weight given to SOOC colour science…

 

[zerocool22]

22 hours ago, MrSMW said:

as @newfoundmass said above, you can do your own thing and it’s easier than ever these days.

Too much weight given to SOOC colour science…

 

Allthough it is not entirenly only my issue. Clients (production companies) ask footage to be shot in log. And while it is no longer my issue but the editor or color grader issue. I prefer the colours coming straight out of camera to be nice. Especially when they are combinging footage from different shooters and camera's. I don't want to be the guy where they have the most work in post with. As most production companies ask feedback forms from everyone involved, and if an editor writes down "I prefer the footage from shooter B because the colours are ready to go, and I am shooter A, then I might move down the list of shooters to call for a new project".

Alllthough I will try to always use the C500 ii for these types of clients when possible. Where the colours are stellar straight out of camera.

[MrSMW]

Well the 28-200 is going back.

Hate it.

Suspected I might…

I just cannot stand slow, variable aperture zooms, even in good light.

Going to find me a used Sigma 28-45mm f1.8 ASAP and just skip the second whole long zoom thing as after all, I already have the f4 70-200.

Oh well, I tried. Switched it for the Sigma 28-70mm f2.8 and phew, crisis over 😉

The S1Rii is working out OK so far for stills. Not as snappy as my A7RV which itself is not as snappy as my Zf, but neither of those fit in with The Greater Plan.

S9 still my fave for video.

[MrSMW]

Official review, mentioned in another thread, it’s fucking awesome.

I didn’t expect to like it as much as I do, but actually…

So the OG S5 I really liked and I switched from Fuji for video and stills because I wanted a full frame system over a cropped one.

For a while, I actually carried on shooting a ‘cropped system’ for video because the 4k 50p in the S5/S1H/S5ii is of course cropped, so it was more for the stills I wanted full frame.

My overall feeling at the time was it was a marginal step up, but nothing anyone else would really notice.

Bought a pair of S1R’s and whilst the image quality could not be questioned, did not care for the body too much and it was just a bit old school DSLR and too different from the S5 and S1H.

Bought an S1H for video. Stellar camera. Would still be using it today if it just had a couple of features the S5ii has. But it doesn’t so had to eventually go.

S5ii’s became my video workhorses and can’t really fault them but hated them for stills, especially coming from S1R and S1H which were MUCH better IMO as photo cameras.

S9. Bought it. Sold it. Bought it back again. Love it, - my favourite run & gun video camera ever. Yes I have a few niggles with it such as it’s too easy to knock the dials etc and when I thought I was shooting 1/100th notice I am shooting 1/80th or 1/160th from time to time and aaaargh. I need to look at maybe even just a small bit of tape or something to prevent that.

S1Rii vs Sony A7RV and Nikon Zf, because it has replaced both of those cameras.

Vs the A7RV I’d say it’s about equal. Near identical sized and handling bodies, build, rear LCD’s etc with zero real world image quality difference. The Sony is a touch better in the AF department but not by much.

Vs the Zf, the Zf is more ‘fun’ and my favourites point & shoot camera ever and again, very little real world image quality or AF difference, but the Lumix is a better lens platform and as a single body over a pair, it’s very very good.

Pros:

Size, weight, handling, build, image quality, hybrid crop zoom.

Cons:

I honestly haven’t really got any. I was hoping originally for the sensor from the Leica SL3 and a mini S1H body and whilst we did not get the former, I’m over that and re. the latter, it actually has that vibe.

I had a few minor niggles first job I shot it, but then realised I had missed a few things on the set up so tweaked those areas for the job I am currently working on.

What’s missing and any other comments?

Well as above, hated the 28-200 zoom and it’s going back. I prefer primes but recognise they are not always practical for what I do or shorter zooms, preferably with internal zooming (or at least very short extension) are my preference. And do not care for slow, variable aperture lenses.

So it’s going back and getting the lens that I know will work for me and that is the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8. 

What is missing for me now is just one more lens, a same size but longer focal length to the above lens, ie, something like a 45-90 f1.8 internal zoom. Please Sigma, make this lens 🙏

But for now, I will have to make do with hybrid zoom which is a bit of a revelation to me.

It’s a massive thumbs up from me and now having 1 less camera, 3 less lenses and everything in one system, just a much better way of working.

[Thpriest]

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Official review, mentioned in another thread, it’s fucking awesome.

I didn’t expect to like it as much as I do, but actually…

So the OG S5 I really liked and I switched from Fuji for video and stills because I wanted a full frame system over a cropped one.

For a while, I actually carried on shooting a ‘cropped system’ for video because the 4k 50p in the S5/S1H/S5ii is of course cropped, so it was more for the stills I wanted full frame.

My overall feeling at the time was it was a marginal step up, but nothing anyone else would really notice.

Bought a pair of S1R’s and whilst the image quality could not be questioned, did not care for the body too much and it was just a bit old school DSLR and too different from the S5 and S1H.

Bought an S1H for video. Stellar camera. Would still be using it today if it just had a couple of features the S5ii has. But it doesn’t so had to eventually go.

S5ii’s became my video workhorses and can’t really fault them but hated them for stills, especially coming from S1R and S1H which were MUCH better IMO as photo cameras.

S9. Bought it. Sold it. Bought it back again. Love it, - my favourite run & gun video camera ever. Yes I have a few niggles with it such as it’s too easy to knock the dials etc and when I thought I was shooting 1/100th notice I am shooting 1/80th or 1/160th from time to time and aaaargh. I need to look at maybe even just a small bit of tape or something to prevent that.

S1Rii vs Sony A7RV and Nikon Zf, because it has replaced both of those cameras.

Vs the A7RV I’d say it’s about equal. Near identical sized and handling bodies, build, rear LCD’s etc with zero real world image quality difference. The Sony is a touch better in the AF department but not by much.

Vs the Zf, the Zf is more ‘fun’ and my favourites point & shoot camera ever and again, very little real world image quality or AF difference, but the Lumix is a better lens platform and as a single body over a pair, it’s very very good.

Pros:

Size, weight, handling, build, image quality, hybrid crop zoom.

Cons:

I honestly haven’t really got any. I was hoping originally for the sensor from the Leica SL3 and a mini S1H body and whilst we did not get the former, I’m over that and re. the latter, it actually has that vibe.

I had a few minor niggles first job I shot it, but then realised I had missed a few things on the set up so tweaked those areas for the job I am currently working on.

What’s missing and any other comments?

Well as above, hated the 28-200 zoom and it’s going back. I prefer primes but recognise they are not always practical for what I do or shorter zooms, preferably with internal zooming (or at least very short extension) are my preference. And do not care for slow, variable aperture lenses.

So it’s going back and getting the lens that I know will work for me and that is the Sigma 28-45mm f1.8. 

What is missing for me now is just one more lens, a same size but longer focal length to the above lens, ie, something like a 45-90 f1.8 internal zoom. Please Sigma, make this lens 🙏

But for now, I will have to make do with hybrid zoom which is a bit of a revelation to me.

It’s a massive thumbs up from me and now having 1 less camera, 3 less lenses and everything in one system, just a much better way of working.

Nice to hear it’s working for you. Have you pulled any 8k stills? How do they hold up?

Are you mainly using it for photos?

What use were you going to give the 28-200? I've been thinking that it might work as a compact long zoom for filming ceremonies. Having it locked off on a tripod. 

Does hybrid zoom work with sigma lenses?