Canon C200 and Panasonic rival camera to fight it out at CineGear Expo

[Zak Forsman 875]

in an hour. 4:15pm pacific.

[mercer 3,928]

48 minutes ago, Zak Forsman said:

in an hour. 4:15pm pacific.

Looked at it quick, thought it was 9:15 pacific. Thanks. 

[BenEricson 267]

EF Lens mount. 

Screen looks so similar to the C200 or FS5. No viewfinder.

[OliKMIA 466]

"less than $8k" $7999 ?

 

[Cassius McGowan 50]

Too hell with Canon after seeing this lol. 5.7k raw

[BenEricson 267]

5 minutes ago, Cassius McGowan said:

Too hell with Canon after seeing this lol. 5.7k raw

"In the future," also not internal. Are there even any recorders currently that can capture higher than 4k?

[Cassius McGowan 50]

Just now, BenEricson said:

"In the future," also not internal.

Did he say not internal???

[mercer 3,928]

Is there even an external recorder that can record 5.7k raw?

[BenEricson 267]

1 minute ago, Cassius McGowan said:

Did he say not internal???

It will be able to output 5.7 raw is what I heard. I don't think there are any recorders currently that even offer that.

[rndmtsk 23]

Yeah well at least it has a nice middle ground codec, where most people are gonna use it. The C200 doesn't even let you output that. And they said they're currently working with recorder makers to support it. Hence the "future" part.

[mercer 3,928]

Yeah it's external... it says so on the overview spec sheet posted above. 

Any info on price?

[BenEricson 267]

Is the official price under 8k then? 7995.00? 

1 minute ago, rndmtsk said:

Yeah well at least it has a nice middle ground codec, where most people are gonna use it. The C200 doesn't even let you output that. And they said they're currently working with recorder makers to support it. Hence the "future" part.

Well, to be fair the Canon will probably have their updates out before the this camera is even in officially released. C200 preorder is Monday? 

Im really curious about the color and how clean the 240p is.

[Bizz 36]

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Yeah it's external... it says so on the overview spec sheet posted above. 

Any info on price?

He said less than 8k

[rndmtsk 23]

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Yeah it's external... it says so on the overview spec sheet posted above. 

Any info on price?

They teased under $8k so probably $7,995 haha

[mercer 3,928]

Is an evf an optional accessory?

[rndmtsk 23]

Just now, BenEricson said:

Is the official price under 8k then? 7995.00? 

Well, to be fair the Canon will probably have their updates out before the this camera is even in officially released. C200 comes out tomorrow or something? 

Im really curious about the color and how clean the 240p is.

Their updates still won't provide 10 bit. The whole reason the updates aren't in camera yet is because they're reengineering the c300mk2 codec to be 8 bit. It's preposterous that even on output there's no way to get a 10 bit image out of that camera that isn't 1000mbps raw.

[mercer 3,928]

So, am I the only one that thinks that maybe this 5.7K Raw output was an afterthought? Why have plans to output 5.7K Raw when it isn't outputting any Raw at release? Give use some 2K Raw up to 72/96 FPS.

Did Panasonic's VP of their cinema division hear Canon's 4K Raw specs and immediately call the CEO of Atomos?

[rndmtsk 23]

2 minutes ago, mercer said:

So, am I the only one that thinks that maybe this 5.7K Raw output was an afterthought? Why have plans to output 5.7K Raw when it isn't outputting any Raw at release? Give use some 2K Raw up to 72/96 FPS.

Did Panasonic's VP of their cinema division hear Canon's 4K Raw specs and immediately call the CEO of Atomos?

Yeah, maybe. But who cares? Glorious competition.

[mercer 3,928]

Just now, rndmtsk said:

Yeah, maybe. But who cares? Glorious competition.

Yup, I can't argue with that! Cheers!!!

[Andrew Reid 7,925]

7 minutes ago, mercer said:

So, am I the only one that thinks that maybe this 5.7K Raw output was an afterthought? Why have plans to output 5.7K Raw when it isn't outputting any Raw at release? Give use some 2K Raw up to 72/96 FPS.

Did Panasonic's VP of their cinema division hear Canon's 4K Raw specs and immediately call the CEO of Atomos?

Because 5.7K raw onto SD cards is pretty difficult.

And the external recorders need to catch up and support 5.7K raw from the EVA1, no point having it in the camera yet if you can't record it.

So I suspect they bumped it down the priorities list a bit to finish the rest of the spec, as camera development does run to a tight timeframe and they do need to ship at some point.

The main thing about the EVA1 is that the codec isn't crippled like the FS5 and C200. You are getting a much higher-end codec to rival the FS7 / C300 II in a camera which will be priced at the FS5 and C200 level with their sucky codecs.

The only thing the C200 has over the EVA1 is AF and CFast (for raw). The rest of the spec falls short. But we'll see what they are like in the real world and not just on paper.