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http://vimeo.com/59832019 The Nikon D5200 is the best mid-range Nikon yet for video. What is more of a surprise is the relish in which it takes on the much more expensive 5D Mark III, Panasonic GH3

Please reserve judgement on the GH3 until my final review next week. One bad test result doesn't make a season :)   PS - nice signature Charlie.

Not really since the aperture ring is on the lens with a lot of the Nikon glass. I use the AI/S stuff.   With the modern AF stuff you need to flick it into optical viewfinder mode and change the ape

Thanks for this quick test Andrew.

 

Concerning lenses:

 

I am using Nikon camera since 25 years and I am currently shooting on a D800 with many other brand  than Nikon lens:

- Contax Zeiss (usually YC = Yashica Contax mount) modified to F mount are working perfectly with no vignette and they focus up to infinity. The whole Focus range is perfectly accurate. Contax are expensive glass, but Yashica are very cheap.

- M42 lens such as Pentacon 50mm f1.8, 135mm f2.8 and 200f4. No vignette, and all goes to infinity, except the 50mm. There is 2 types of adapter, with or without corrective lens (for focus accuracy purpose). The second type is not good at all (soften the image too much).

- Not all M42 lens works. For example, Pentax M42 lenses are not doing well on Nikon.

- I am using also both Pentax 645, Pentax 67 and hasselblad lens which were all designed for Medium format camera (bigger size than FX). All those lenses are delivering an organic look, you can not achieve with modern Nikon glasses.

I am living and working in China, so it is easy for me to get bunch of adapter at cheap price.

 

I had a Canon 5D Mark3 for 4 months but I exchanged it agaisnt a D800 (even the 5D is much better build and deliver better pictures straight out of the camera) for one reason. There is no assistance to manually focus in the viewfinder when you shoot pictures. You always have to use liveview and zoom in it, With Nikon D800, you get a green dot in middle of 2 triangle in the bottom left of the viewfinder. When this dot  is  on, you are in focus.

This works with all lenses I mentioned here. No need electronic connection or whatever. This is a great feature.

 

Concerning Color rendition:

 

I am using both DSLR and ENG camera for my work and I never liked Sony feel on video (EX1, F900), I  always prefered Panasonic (HVX200, HPX500, HPX250).

Nikon is using Sony's Cmos on the D800 and the color are not "Nikon like" anymore. I had D100, D200, D700 before and they all matched with great pleasing result out of the box. D800 needs lost of post-processing to get something close to what I usually wnat to achieve.

D5200 is using another brand than Sony, and that might help to not get it wrong.

On another topic, I also always prefered GH1 colors than GH2's. Difficult to explain, but GH1 looks more natural and  organic to me. And I feel, that GH3 is not going to the right direction on that matter.

 

Concerning choice GH3 vs D5200.

 

I am shooting for my pleasure  and for my job with a GH1 and then GH2 since last 4  years. I never had to buy and set a magnifier on the screen  to use the camera efficiently. I am just using the electronic viewfinder with all its information in it. This preserve the interest of M43: being light, compact, instantaneous to use. D5200 only get an optical viewfinder and therefore you will need a rig and all the stuff around to be efficient with it, especially outdoor. Some people love rigs and do spend huge amount of money in it. I am trying to avoid it as much as possible.When i work with rented  5D for client who absolutely want it, I need all this stuff, one more reason for me to stick to the GH2 as soon as I have the freedom of choice.

 

Check what I had done with a GH2 (mix up with AF100) here for a paid job. I just build up a simple shoulder mount to get the viewfinder close to my eyes to be able to be free handed for focusing (without follow focus) while being stable.

Check this out: I used bunch of different lenses from Nikon AIS 1.2 or 1.4, voigtlander, Lumix, Hasselblad and Pentacon.

CrossPolo TVC Making OF

https://vimeo.com/43865929

You can also check this out:

La Deuche from Hell (english sub)

https://vimeo.com/57730500

FingerUp

https://vimeo.com/43454069

Sweet and Sour

https://vimeo.com/56455617

 

Sorry for this long post, but hope this will be useful to others.

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Thanks for this quick test Andrew.

 

Concerning lenses:

 

I am using Nikon camera since 25 years and I am currently shooting on a D800 with many other brand  than Nikon lens:

- Contax Zeiss (usually YC = Yashica Contax mount) modified to F mount are working perfectly with no vignette and they focus up to infinity. The whole Focus range is perfectly accurate. Contax are expensive glass, but Yashica are very cheap.

- M42 lens such as Pentacon 50mm f1.8, 135mm f2.8 and 200f4. No vignette, and all goes to infinity, except the 50mm. There is 2 types of adapter, with or without corrective lens (for focus accuracy purpose). The second type is not good at all (soften the image too much).

- Not all M42 lens works. For example, Pentax M42 lenses are not doing well on Nikon.

- I am using also both Pentax 645, Pentax 67 and hasselblad lens which were all designed for Medium format camera (bigger size than FX). All those lenses are delivering an organic look, you can not achieve with modern Nikon glasses.

I am living and working in China, so it is easy for me to get bunch of adapter at cheap price.

 

I had a Canon 5D Mark3 for 4 months but I exchanged it agaisnt a D800 (even the 5D is much better build and deliver better pictures straight out of the camera) for one reason. There is no assistance to manually focus in the viewfinder when you shoot pictures. You always have to use liveview and zoom in it, With Nikon D800, you get a green dot in middle of 2 triangle in the bottom left of the viewfinder. When this dot  is  on, you are in focus.

This works with all lenses I mentioned here. No need electronic connection or whatever. This is a great feature.

 

Great first post Sanka, welcome to the forum.

 

It is good to know some M42 lenses focus to infinity with the standard M42 to Nikon adapter. I'll get an adapter and try my range, as I have quite a lot of M42 glass including the Zeiss Flektagon 20mm F2.8 which is one of the best full frame wide angle lenses in my opinion.

 

I am a big fan of the Contax Zeiss stuff, it is just a shame it does need a modification of the mount to work on Nikon F.

 

The medium format stuff is very heavy and quite large and I once had the Zeiss Distagon 80mm F2.8 - it was pretty soft but as you say, good for organic looking portraits.

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Now I'm confused!  This d5200 footage and some other tests on persona view look really really good.  I had a GH2 with the 14-140 that was stolen last week so I'm in the market for a new camera.  I was looking at the GH3, used A77 and maybe even breaking the bank and moving into FS100 or AF100 as I eventually want to invest in a camcorder.  I mostly do low light music performances, in controlled environments but sometimes standing on a speaker in the middle of a crowd.  Budget is a huge issue right now so I'm leaning toward replacing my GH2 with another good Dslr and saving for the camcorder with proceeds from using the Dslr.

  Now that the background is out of the way, what do you think is a good direction to go?  I don't know much about nikon glass and I'm not sure what my total cost will be once I kit out a camera with enough lenses to get me going.  I still have a 25mm f1.4 pan lens.  I'm really looking to buy a camera now that will allow me to get superb low light video now and share as many lenses as possible with a FS100 or whatever is out 6-7 months from now when I'm ready to make that investment.

 

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Andrew once you've had a chance to use this gizmo with the Shuttle a little more, I'd be very interested whether you would rank it over or on a par with, the 5D3 for paid video work where IQ is paramount, and the slight delay-causing inconvenices of the cheaper camera would not be so important.  Something to fill in until the BMCC comes along -- if it ever does! -- and leaving photography to the 6D.

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You are very welcome Andrew

I am a long time reader of your forum and I appreciate the effort and enthusiam, you are putting  in it, but I never had the time to get into it and post.

As you needed some information about Nikon, I found it was the right time to give it a start.

For everyone new to Nikon,  some of the f2.8 manual prime lenses are affordable, you get it cheap  in  24, 28, 35 and 135mm range.

You also get a 16mm (fish eyes, very limitative use) a great 20mm and an amazing 180mm. Both are quit expensive.

AIS are manual lenses, AFD are autofocus lenses with aperture ring (autofocus will not work on D5200), AFG are autofocus lenses without aperture rings (but autofocus works on D5200).

According my experiences best prime lenses I had used (for filming)  are: AFD 20mm f2.8, AIS 28 f2,  AFD 35mmf2, AIS 50mm f1.2, AFD 50mm f1.8 (cheap and great),  AFD 85mm f1.8 (cheap and great), AIS 85mm f1.4 (smooth bokeh), AFD, 180mm f2.8 (amazing lens, sharp and contrasty from 2.8), AFD 300mm f4 (sharp from f4.5), AFD 300mm f2.8 (very expensive).

If you go and check my videos (see previous post) ,in the presentation of the video, I often list the lenses I am using in my project.

The AFD 17-35mm f2.8 is a great zoom which deliver result as good as primes  without much distortion at 17mm. Quit expensive.

The AFG 70-210 f2.8 is another great  lens.

If you need to get wide on a DX camera (such as the D5200), go for the Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 which is a very good lens if you succeed to pick up a good one (QC not as good as Nikon). Color rendition is cooler than  Nikon lens.

Whatever their type or  age, all Nikon lenses deliver exactly the same colors, which is important for continuity and not wasting time in post.

Compare to Lumix lens, Nikon lenses are more neutral, less digital. Lumix delivers strong green and blue, almost flashy colors with sharp edges. Nikon are more natural (flat) with a little tendency to purple, which is not bad for skin tone. This comparison is done on GH1 or GH2 that I am using with a smooth setting at -2 for everything.

Nikon AIS 35mm f1.4, 50mmf1.2 or 85mmf1.4 delivers very soft image wide open with lots of coma. Need to get close one stop or even a little bit to get much usable results.

 

Hope all of this is useful to people going into Nikon direction. I went to the lumix way as I couldnt switch to Canon (at the start of 5D), due to the huge set of Nikon lenses I get. And I had to be patient before Nikon finally deliver something usable in video.

Lumix got its magic on me (may be I should write a story about what make it unique to me), and even I get the choice between D800 and GH2 to shoot, I still prefer to use the lumix with Nikon lenses.

I am using Lumix lens for documentaries, even a lumix or AF100  will never replace a "real" video camera. All lumix lenses have a huge problem: visible  aperture steps in semi-auto... Another story.

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I have just ordered it. Anyone wanna buy a GH2? :)

 

Incidentally, how do all you Nikon users find using the G lens manual focus for video? I would like to avoid D lenses if I can (other than the 50 as its so cheap) because I'd like to double them up for taking stills with AF.

 

When the D7000's successor is out, assuming it has the same Toshiba sensor, it will be the ultimate hybrid I think, but currently out of my budget - and I think there is limited value spending serious cash on an APS-C right now (potentially).

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Now I'm confused!  This d5200 footage and some other tests on persona view look really really good.  I had a GH2 with the 14-140 that was stolen last week so I'm in the market for a new camera.  I was looking at the GH3, used A77 and maybe even breaking the bank and moving into FS100 or AF100 as I eventually want to invest in a camcorder.  I mostly do low light music performances, in controlled environments but sometimes standing on a speaker in the middle of a crowd.  Budget is a huge issue right now so I'm leaning toward replacing my GH2 with another good Dslr and saving for the camcorder with proceeds from using the Dslr.

  Now that the background is out of the way, what do you think is a good direction to go?  I don't know much about nikon glass and I'm not sure what my total cost will be once I kit out a camera with enough lenses to get me going.  I still have a 25mm f1.4 pan lens.  I'm really looking to buy a camera now that will allow me to get superb low light video now and share as many lenses as possible with a FS100 or whatever is out 6-7 months from now when I'm ready to make that investment.

One thing that you might want to consider is that the D5200 does have a bit of an issue with the Skew on the live view LCD.  I was paying with one in the store and it was really bad on the LCD.  The recorded image may not be as bad, but that could be an issue if you're moving around in a hand held manner. 

 

I do think the D5200 would help you with your low light shooting.  Sharing lenses with an FS100 won't be an issue due to the Sony mount being able to take on any lens pretty much.  So no matter what DSLR you choose, it shouldn't be an issue for using with an FS100.  In fact any future Mirrorless camera shouldn't be an issue for you.

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Andrew- great review. I had not considered the D5200 but most of my lenses are AF or AIS Nikkor, so it's quite interesting for me.

Question: What would be a good option to get sound monitoring onto the D5200? Something from JuicedLink?

 

Not tried JuiceLink.

 

It outputs the audio via HDMI so that is a solution.

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Hi Andrew,  do you think there will be a difference in ProRes quality recording with Blackmagic Shuttle and Ninja?  Someone at Vitaly's forum posted that ProRes files on NINJA graded better than ProRes files from Blackmagic Shuttle.  Could that be true? I doubt it, but still...  Thanks!

 

I don't read his forum. It sends me mental.

 

The ProRes is slightly better but the main issue is that it is 30p in live view, and drops to 720p if recording to the card. So no 1080/24/25p over HDMI from this camera until Nikon sorts it out with a firmware update. Might be possible to get 24p from the 1080i output but this needs more testing and possibly firmware updates from Blackmagic and Atomos as had to happen with the D800.

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For alot of people who feel disappointed for buying a gh2/3, dont! If you have a camera already, just go out and shoot! Don't let tech control your mindset into thinking you need 'this' camer or 'that' camera, if it shoots, then your all good. Think about upgrading or buying a new camera later if you already have a decent camera. Try not to get too deep in the thought of "This camera is better, therefore mine is obsolete."

 

Like I said before, we got it better then we've ever had it before ;)

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It may have a top notch sensor when it coms to dynamic range or low light but I don't think it's a patch on the GH3 as far as resolution is concerned. Or even the hacked GH2, which is still as sharp as it's ever been (bloody sharp!).

 

You're right. GH2 and GH3 still the resolution kings. Though the D5200 and 5D Mark III do sharpen up nicely in post. They need a bit of makeup.

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Andrew,

 

The GH2 displays color banding right out of the camera (also when imported through 5DtoRGB), before the grade has been pushed at all. So far, I haven't seen any banding in the D5200 footage. It sounds like there is banding when shooting in the flat profile, but barring that, have you seen any banding in the footage right out of the camera?

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