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Not all 10bit is created equal......even among the 4:2:2 flavours.  I have no issues working with 10bit ProRes files or XAVC files from the FX9 and FS7 but the crap that comes out of the GH5 has given me grief in the past. 
That's purely for display purposes. You can still edit 4:2:2 on a machine with an RTX card just fine. GTX cards don't support it either and I edit 4:2:2 material often on a laptop with a GTX1660 card. If you need 10bit 4:2:2 output to a monitor, use a cheap Blackmagic Ultrastudio Mini monitor to get 10bit to your supported monitor. 

Not all 10bit is created equal......even among the 4:2:2 flavours.  I have no issues working with 10bit ProRes files or XAVC files from the FX9 and FS7 but the crap that comes out of the GH5 has given me grief in the past. 
That's purely for display purposes. You can still edit 4:2:2 on a machine with an RTX card just fine. GTX cards don't support it either and I edit 4:2:2 material often on a laptop with a GTX1660 card. If you need 10bit 4:2:2 output to a monitor, use a cheap Blackmagic Ultrastudio Mini monitor to get 10bit to your supported monitor. 

You really think he would be that disappointed after 3 hours of straight use? I think not. 
Agree that the 'review' is not perfect, but it told me everything I needed to know. 

All those things you mentioned above.......they shouldn't matter in a video camera! It's really as simple as that. And while the r5 and R6 aren't primarily 'video cameras' they are promoted as video tools.
He was not able to create the piece he wanted to and the camera dictated how the shoot unfolded. To anyone who want's to use this camera more than just filming a few clips of the kids.....that is all you need to know.
 
I look forward to seeing your review sometime soon.

We had one that contributed to the forum, he shared a ton of great information and got zero respect from users here so left. 
 
Just watched Behrini's video and I think he did a good job of confirming what I already knew. Out in the real world, this camera is useless for video. At least he produced a real world video...Peter Mckinnon zoomed around on quad bikes........as a motorcyclist myself, when you are moving out in the open at 40+kph , the wind chill factor really helps keep things cool!!No wonder his camera didn't overheat, it had constant airflow!
 While Gerald may have given some run times, did he say if these run times where on a tripod or in the hand? Judging by most users here,  people who want a camera with IBIS and AF are wanting a camera that they can use in the hand, nun n gun and to be inconspicuous. I think the camera in the hand will overheat faster than on a tripod. 
No-one has given the perfect review yet but at least Johnny did a good job of providing real world information and a finished product that gave the viewer a rough idea of how he used the camera. 
One thing I do find interesting is that people are more willing to make do with overheating vs poor battery life. As an example, The Pocket4K on release had (and still has!) poor battery life. But, after 45mins I can put in a fresh battery and keep shooting. The uproar from many forum members was way over the top and suggested that the camera was useless.
Now, imagine if your cameras battery died after 30mins but........you couldn't put a new battery in for at least 20mins and even then, the new battery was only going to last 3-4mins of shooting. THIS is what we are pretty much seeing in the R5/6. This is reason to get angry! Who want's a camera that could decide to shut down at ANY given moment and then can't be revived for 20+mins? 
Basically, for video, it's not fit for purpose.
 

What I mean is that for people who want to use this as a serious video tool, which I think is C5D's target audience, he's basically saying "don't bother". 
The run times indoors, outdoors etc that you wanted listed, while yes, they would have been interesting info to have, are not things anyone interested in video production should have to worry about in 2020. 
I'm eager to see what the Sony A7SIII is like but no matter how great the features are, if it overheats at all, it's a non starter. What good is the best AF and IBIS (Not the reasons I'll be buying the camera) if the camera is shut down for 20mins and you can't shoot?
 

We had one that contributed to the forum, he shared a ton of great information and got zero respect from users here so left. 
 
Just watched Behrini's video and I think he did a good job of confirming what I already knew. Out in the real world, this camera is useless for video. At least he produced a real world video...Peter Mckinnon zoomed around on quad bikes........as a motorcyclist myself, when you are moving out in the open at 40+kph , the wind chill factor really helps keep things cool!!No wonder his camera didn't overheat, it had constant airflow!
 While Gerald may have given some run times, did he say if these run times where on a tripod or in the hand? Judging by most users here,  people who want a camera with IBIS and AF are wanting a camera that they can use in the hand, nun n gun and to be inconspicuous. I think the camera in the hand will overheat faster than on a tripod. 
No-one has given the perfect review yet but at least Johnny did a good job of providing real world information and a finished product that gave the viewer a rough idea of how he used the camera. 
One thing I do find interesting is that people are more willing to make do with overheating vs poor battery life. As an example, The Pocket4K on release had (and still has!) poor battery life. But, after 45mins I can put in a fresh battery and keep shooting. The uproar from many forum members was way over the top and suggested that the camera was useless.
Now, imagine if your cameras battery died after 30mins but........you couldn't put a new battery in for at least 20mins and even then, the new battery was only going to last 3-4mins of shooting. THIS is what we are pretty much seeing in the R5/6. This is reason to get angry! Who want's a camera that could decide to shut down at ANY given moment and then can't be revived for 20+mins? 
Basically, for video, it's not fit for purpose.
 

Again, if this isnt deliberate, how do you see the alternative playing out? Did they not test the camera's? Did they test them at 3 km high? Did they test them for 5 min and called it a day? 
Canon themselves have released the information about overheating first. They know exactly what kind of product they are releasing. It has an 'overheating management' tab in the menu ffs. 
They jusy want to release the r5 and r6 right now, in their current state. For whatever reasoning. 
Idiots. 
 

No one is forcing them to release this camera. No one forced them to not have a fan or some other form of active cooling. Those were deliberate choices. 
They absolutely, 100% intentionally are releasing a camera that they know has serious overheating problems. 

All those things you mentioned above.......they shouldn't matter in a video camera! It's really as simple as that. And while the r5 and R6 aren't primarily 'video cameras' they are promoted as video tools.
He was not able to create the piece he wanted to and the camera dictated how the shoot unfolded. To anyone who want's to use this camera more than just filming a few clips of the kids.....that is all you need to know.
 
I look forward to seeing your review sometime soon.

We had one that contributed to the forum, he shared a ton of great information and got zero respect from users here so left. 
 
Just watched Behrini's video and I think he did a good job of confirming what I already knew. Out in the real world, this camera is useless for video. At least he produced a real world video...Peter Mckinnon zoomed around on quad bikes........as a motorcyclist myself, when you are moving out in the open at 40+kph , the wind chill factor really helps keep things cool!!No wonder his camera didn't overheat, it had constant airflow!
 While Gerald may have given some run times, did he say if these run times where on a tripod or in the hand? Judging by most users here,  people who want a camera with IBIS and AF are wanting a camera that they can use in the hand, nun n gun and to be inconspicuous. I think the camera in the hand will overheat faster than on a tripod. 
No-one has given the perfect review yet but at least Johnny did a good job of providing real world information and a finished product that gave the viewer a rough idea of how he used the camera. 
One thing I do find interesting is that people are more willing to make do with overheating vs poor battery life. As an example, The Pocket4K on release had (and still has!) poor battery life. But, after 45mins I can put in a fresh battery and keep shooting. The uproar from many forum members was way over the top and suggested that the camera was useless.
Now, imagine if your cameras battery died after 30mins but........you couldn't put a new battery in for at least 20mins and even then, the new battery was only going to last 3-4mins of shooting. THIS is what we are pretty much seeing in the R5/6. This is reason to get angry! Who want's a camera that could decide to shut down at ANY given moment and then can't be revived for 20+mins? 
Basically, for video, it's not fit for purpose.
 

All those things you mentioned above.......they shouldn't matter in a video camera! It's really as simple as that. And while the r5 and R6 aren't primarily 'video cameras' they are promoted as video tools.
He was not able to create the piece he wanted to and the camera dictated how the shoot unfolded. To anyone who want's to use this camera more than just filming a few clips of the kids.....that is all you need to know.
 
I look forward to seeing your review sometime soon.

You really think he would be that disappointed after 3 hours of straight use? I think not. 
Agree that the 'review' is not perfect, but it told me everything I needed to know. 

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS,  and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. 
Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling.
Makes a lot of sense right?
To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round....
I love it, it's hilarious!
 
 

Yet you still hear people complain about the Alexa green cast, the Red yellow wash and the pinkish skin from canon colours.
Put a Zeiss lens you get a blue cast, put a canon or a Cooke you get yellow, but a sigma you loose some red/yellow ect...
Shoot on film, you get several colour cast depending which lab is going to develop .
If the image is striking , no one is complaining about the sky being the wrong shade of blue.
Once you cut through the marketing BS and learn how to use a grading suite, none of that matter.

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS,  and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. 
Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling.
Makes a lot of sense right?
To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round....
I love it, it's hilarious!
 
 

EOSHD....the home for the small minded.

You seem to be the very definition of a fan boy. Someone who thinks their way is the only way.
I see that this camera doesn't appeal to many here on EOSHD, but then why get so worked up about it?
I don't go on a HipHop forum and get all fired up that the Foo Fighters latest album isn't Hip Hop do I?

There is a big space between super high budget productions using Alexa and Solo shooters you are completely overlooking. 
Again, Canon made you the perfect camera, you said it yourself....why are you so angry right now?
 

Spot on.
 
Yes this camera does 12K, and if it made many sacrifices to get that 12K then it would be silly but I'm really not seeing any sacrifices made here by Blackmagic.
You can still shoot 4K and 8K RAW with no crop. You still get frame rates over 30p. You can still record to inexpensive, off the shelf media. It (most likely) won't overheat every 20 minutes. The files are seemingly very easy to work with.
The only sacrifice, if you want to call it that,  is the price.....but given who this camera is aimed at, $10,000 is not expensive at all. 
What I'm taking from this is how exciting the future from Blackmagic looks now that they are creating their own sensors, codecs and post hardware and software.  
I'm excited to see a Full Frame camera in a smaller form factor like a Kinefinity, Z-Cam or even C300 style body etc but with a sensor that might let me shoot 8K, 6K and 4K RAW with no crop in a fantastically flexible codec that I can work with on a laptop. 
What's not to like!
 

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS,  and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. 
Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling.
Makes a lot of sense right?
To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round....
I love it, it's hilarious!
 
 

I know plenty of DP's and camera operators that own the UMP, FX9, F5, F55 etc and they all shoot solo every now and again. I have shot plenty of times with the G2 (despite not owning it) and it's is such an easy camera to work with as a solo shooter. 
There are also plenty of DP's that do not own expensive cameras because each job is different so investing in one camera doesn't make a lot of sense for them. That doesn't mean a camera is not relevant or popular. 
jahfdkjblabla, why are you now all over THREE threads about the UMP12K despite having zero interest in it? It obviously upsets you greatly.

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS,  and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. 
Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling.
Makes a lot of sense right?
To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round....
I love it, it's hilarious!
 
 

He/She is angry that the 'RUMOURS' said that BMD would be releasing a camera with AF and IBIS,  and this cinema camera doesn't have those features. 
Despite this, he/she keeps coming back to a thread about something he/she has zero interest to keep he/she's anger boiling.
Makes a lot of sense right?
To add to the confusion, many users of EOSHD and the owner of the site himself says they have every right to be angry because this is a forum for users of small DSLR like cameras and Solo shooters so AF and IBIS should be mandatory .......but then the forum owner continues to post news articles of cameras that don't appeal to his user base and the circe of anger just continues to go round and round....
I love it, it's hilarious!
 
 

So renting is useless? Camera rental is very common in the industry. Waste of who's time exactly? Its simply camera news and many are interested and excited about the new tech.