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7 hours ago, kye said:

The footage didn't break-up under an extreme grade.

This was my initial gut instinct when watching. I’m a naive user of NLE software and would be happy with that color grade. When I get the 15 I’ll be sure to check some tutorial videos and give it a go.  The simplest process and workflow will probably be what I go with, whether it’s LUT and Dehancer etc. 

to me, the point is you can now create 80-90% of the quality a mirrorless does in most lighting conditions without the cost of equipment and burden of the size of equipment.  Low light and DOF yes that will need some workarounds or acceptance of “good enough” and since I’m personally not being paid and the quality bump of a mirrorless with the cost of size and price - I’ll take the good enough phone at this point. 
 

someone in this forum made that point about 3-6 years ago and I, in my head, rolled my eyes at their words.   Now I’m eating those words but won’t tell you if those words are carnivore or vegan 😉 

For non paid I’m taking a break from dedicated cameras and will be looking to upgrade to iPhone 15 just shocked 

Fuji seems naturally pleasing whereas a6700 is a bit more clinical? 
 

Enjoy this guys channel 

2 hours ago, gt3rs said:

Too me it looks like a too strong skin retouching filter... maybe to "sell" the diffusion filter they did use davinci or similar skin smoothing filters... it is wired as some parts are almost too sharp and others are blotchy and blurred...

From 0:45 onwards is imo unusable.

But as it use Cinematic so it cannot be Log so it is heavy processed already to start with.











Not a fan of this kind of video but here the image from iPhone looks much better than the above one less plastic/fake

 

Well tone mapping vs logging. All look pretty good and for non-paid work I’d be happy with any of it. So will my wallet 😂 

9 hours ago, tomastancredi said:

Well, 15pro max replied with internal log. I hope they soon make it work for the smaller sizes format as well, so than we don necessarily need to add a ssd 

Use Blackmagic App for free and record in h265. And recording to an SSD with the many solutions shown to be helpful is still a smaller form factor than a canon r5

9 hours ago, Brian Williams said:

I’m pretty happy with my setup. Bought a MagSafe magnet off of amazon for $12, glued it to the T5, and then found a short usb-c 20Gbps for $7. Super secure and inconspicuous.

Nice! Will eventually get the iPhone 15 but waiting for some solutions to come out and ready to make it the full time go to with the gr3x

https://youtu.be/t1Fq--eujF4?si=-9Sa2NUmk01EDO2G

9 hours ago, kye said:

I'm surprised no-one has posted this yet....   Gerald tested the DR:

The TL;DR is that below about ISO 1000 it measures 12.2 stops, but then around ISO 1000 it starts rising and at ISO1480 managed to get 13.8 / 13.3 stops..

Gerald said that he suspects the native ISO is around 1250 or so, and the DR going down below that is typical of sensors set below their native ISO.

All in all, this is a seriously impressive result.  It makes me wonder if you set it to full-auto and use it in daylight if you'll be limiting the DR by forcing it to a lower ISO?  That's not quite so ideal..

 

Grab a moment adapter and a VND and just filter and use Blackmagic app to adjust to 1250 iso!

well done video 

12 hours ago, Emanuel said:

6 hours ago, Emanuel said:

Looks like ready for prime time:

 

Looks like an fx30

4 hours ago, kye said:

Ah, now I understand...

He's a LUT peddler!   This is an AD!!

He doesn't want you to settle for the baked-in look from Apple that gives you no "creative control over the image" - he wants you to buy his LUT and the fact that it gives you no "creative control over the image" doesn't matter - he has money in his pocket so it's ok!

Designing LUTs is hard and lots of skills are required - if he can't grade HDR footage then he falls well short of any standard.

By commands am I technical but apple HDR locks its settings like sharpening, saturation, etc.  log gives you the control and if you look side by side it’s night and day. You’re making conspiracy theory out of a lack of knowledge of what he’s saying.  Take a moment. Step back and look into this. It’s been shown by countless DPs that apples locked settings is what gives HDR a video look and now with log you can get a closer to film look. 

the look he has is amazing 

15 minutes ago, Emanuel said:

Unbeatable, iPhone outcome looks garbage when compared with, the last version too, unfortunately... So far no good. Still waiting for something decent to pop up, though :- )

I don’t think this is a common opinion lol

Btw whomever said android raw was good is very correct. The DNG workflow is ass though. 
 

46 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Wonder how many normal people still use their new purchase camera after 1 month when the novelty died off.

But phone on the other hand you use it every min lol.

I found this as portability and size was the number one factor as to whether I wanted to video an event. Even the xt4 was feeling a little clunky when trying to be in the moment with family friends or myself on vacation.  People were more likely to behave differently then using my iPhone 13 Pro and for that I may have convinced myself to draft a phone only strategy for mini projects and EDC videos. Log just makes it worth a try. I’ve yet to find a system I like and whether it’s my lack of grading ability or time allowed for it or the size and responses I get from a mirrorless setup the phone may be the best of all options. 

1 minute ago, kye said:

Enthusiast.

Samesies. I may go for the gusto and adopt an iPhone 15 system and try it out and see how it goes instead of dropping $ for a mirrorless. Could be interesting 

23 minutes ago, kye said:

I am perhaps the closest here to saying yes to this comment, being that I value size, simplicity, speed of working, stabilisation, and am actively opposed to creatively-inappropriate shallow DoF, etc.

I do, and will continue to, use my phone as my second camera.  I use it when I don't have a dedicated camera with me, I use it for a wide-angle (to complement the normal-tele lens on my proper camera), and I use it to shoot the in-between shots like getting in and out of vehicles and while travelling between locations.

However, it is along way from becoming my only camera, because:

They're crap in low-light, especially the wide-angle camera
I tested my iPhone 12 Mini vs my GX85 and GH5 and I found that the normal iPhone camera had similar noise performance to the MFT cameras when they were at F2.8, and the wide camera was equivalent to F8!

It's always your phone and your camera
You always want to use the latest phone as your camera because they're getting better and better, but you always want to use the latest phone as a phone because the battery life etc is newer and better and they're faster.  Therefore, you are always in danger of getting messages and pop-ups etc on your camera while shooting, or if you put it into aeroplane mode then you might miss important notifications.  They're too expensive to buy two of.

They're a pain to shoot with
No handle, no wrist strap, etc, and if you rig it up then it's a pain to use it as a phone, and a pain to put in your pocket.  Also, if you want to have any external accessories like lenses or NDs, they always require a case, but the cases are completely shit at being a protective case, so you're perpetually changing cases, which screws them up.  Even if you don't use lenses etc you're going to want to use an SSD with it now because Prores.

They lack flexibility of lenses
Even a Panasonic GM5 that shoots low-bitrate 1080p will look better fitted with an F1.2 (or F0.95) lens than a phone for low-light situations.  The GM5 will also look better fitted with a 100mm (or 200mm, or 400mm!) lens than a phone using heavy digital cropping on its longest lens.  The GM5 will look nicer when fitted with a fast aperture lens than the Cinematic Mode which has about the same subtlety in blurring the image as a toddler does when smearing food on themselves at dinner time.

Are you shooting for paid work or enthusiast ?

3 minutes ago, gt3rs said:

For me is both, did you notice that most A/B test are in good light, minimal camera movements, static subject, using the main camera and not the wider and tele as they have less quality.

Just look at this when moving and using the wide camera a Gopro is much better than the iPhone 15 and a Gopro is so far away in quality than a mirrorless: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEfFk5GR5y0

Somebody with great skills can make very good video out of in iPhone but imo there still no magic to make a super tiny sensor and lens look like a FF camera, the gap is narrowing but is still there.

Fair just curious if it’s worth it now with ProRes log over spending or using a dedicated camera when traveling etc. seems convenient and if not ABing could be wonderful to capture memories and presenting a mood 

1 hour ago, gt3rs said:

No way as I truly hate taking videos and picture with my iPhone, but is a great tool for the times that I cannot or is too impractical to take a larger mirrorless camera. 

I'm still not sold on the fake DoF although now you can do it after the fact so is less risky.
No aperture, hard to control SS, limited low light capability, max 120mm tele... and for me I just hate all the touch UI, no dials, no evf, etc... last but not least no removable storage.... so you need to resort on using external SSD or external CFExpress+Reader that defeated a bit the whole phone idea...

Do I use it now yes (13 pro max), will I move to the 15 pro max, probably, would it replace mirrorless camera even for private stuff?  Not for me but I'm the one going around in NY for pleasure with a R5+28-70 so everyone is different.

Is the difference quality or the preference of using a dedicated body? 

Can you guys see iPhone log and raw replacing a dedicated mirrorless for personal projects and use?

35 minutes ago, kye said:

There is no good way to judge colour online - lets review all the possibilities:

• log images are shown
  this is the purest experience of the camera, but you can't judge anything with this
   
• log images + manufacturers LUT is shown
  this is the best way to judge images, but its random chance how good this will look and doesn't really show the potential of the footage
   
• graded images are shown, but they look crap
  this tells you nothing as you can't tell if the camera is bad, the LUT is bad, the colourist is bad, or all of them
   
• graded images are shown, and they look good
  this tells you what is possible but not what is possible for you.  great images could be because the camera is great and colourist is ok, camera is good but colourist is very good, camera is mediocre but colourist is world class

BTW, if camera forums and camera YT had the same level of knowledge about cameras as they do about colour grading then every video would be trying to work out the exposure triangle and failing.  Even rudimentary colour grading and colour science knowledge online is rare outside professional colourist circles - I know more about these things that most and I am at the very very very shallow end of the pool so if I know more than you do then you're basically no-where...

I’m nowhere is my new name