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2 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

About all these hot new cameras (pun intended): I agree that would be much better them to not overheat. And for me is intentional: it is segmentation.

For instance: the X-S20, the A6700 and both the new A7C have a plastic back panel, behind the LCD. If they really want to help dissipating heat, they could do a metal back panel. Specially in the Fuji case, where you can specifically put a fan there.

Panasonic also showed in the S5II that you can incorporate a discreet fan without raising the cost.

It is segmentation. Same thing with the LCD mechanism from the A7RV - solve one for all the tilt / flip debacle, should be standard for all new cameras. Fuji also made a similar solution with the XT100. But...want more, pay more.

If you want to pay less, you have to deal with the limitations. I could use my 1.0 liter car to tow a heavy trailer? For sure, but will not be a very good experience.

Not defending the manufacturers, but it is how it works in all markets. Will be this until someone breaks the mold and all need to follow.

Agree we’ll said 

2 hours ago, Marcio Kabke Pinheiro said:

Looks like "cinematic" now is "go WB warm" (lots of video / stills "cinematic" are like this now).

I like it 😉 

1 hour ago, newfoundmass said:

I think it boils down to how much you really value the larger sensor. It's definitely one of those things that only you can answer if it's worth the extra money. I can see the argument for it, but me personally, it's hard to justify.

I like this framing.  As you’ve mentioned earlier the overheating seems to be tough to deal with. The a7cii seems to be fairly good with heat dissipation. 
 

if you can check Gerald’s video let me know you’re takeaway. 

Do you think the a7cii Carrie’s $800 more value than the a6700?

What are your favorite all purpose APSC lenses and favorite prime?

No signs Sony will close its system.  Sony can close its system.  I remember when I bought the m1 MacBook at launch and I couldn’t use google drive for almost a year. It is infuriating and so I get a6700 users who expected a seamless transition. 
 

many views can but simultaneously true and not be undermining each. 

You guys must be fun at parties 😝 

2 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Yeah if you only shoot indoor aircon should be ok.

😘 

5 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

seems like it has most of the same overheating issues as the a6700. 

 

 

Plenty of other videos showing not an issue 

A6700 seems to be a more viable solution for most hybrid. Not sure what’s the the $800 premium. Slightly better lowlight?

firmware update 

12 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

Seems like A6700 and Sigma lens doesn't get well with each other

 

 

Now this seems like a more concerning issue. Seems there is potentially systemic wide issues with this body. Yikes. 

10 hours ago, newfoundmass said:

I'm sorry, but I don't have the time to set up a video comparison for you. And as I (and others) have stated, whether there is a noticeable difference depends on the person's preference, what the scene is, what you're doing with the footage, etc. If you are talking about simply using footage straight out of camera or even doing a light grade, then 4:2:0 will most likely be fine for most cases. If I am filming 10 bit I'd prefer that extra information, but again, that boils down to preference. If you don't notice the difference is it really that important?

I just don't feel like I can give you the answer I feel like you want to hear.

I shared info: a review on YT notes 10-bit 420 didn’t overheat but 422 did. I then noted a few comments that said you wouldn’t notice a difference between 10-but 422 or 420 outside of green screen and keying. You then ad hominem made comments that were unhelpful and inaccurate.  I just was curious if anyone knew of a video that compares 10-but 422/420. That’s all. 

3 hours ago, Eric Calabros said:

https://youtu.be/K4586b8iR2Y?si=rG-m8TUfkH8L0kgc

I believe that’s 8-but 420 not 10 but 420?

I mean in all seriousness I shared that an a6700 user found 10-but 420 to not overheat. I’d that is true that could be great for those interested. My annual obsession of camera bodies is irrelevant and is as hominem. 
 

if you fell 422 is noticeably better than 420 I am merely asking for video evidence. I’m curious. 420 could be a good solution.  Just engage the content?

37 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

I don't mean any disrespect here, truly, but I don't have a ready link to a YouTube video or anything because I've never needed one since I work with footage every day and part of my job is seeing/knowing the difference. I am sure there are YouTube videos out there that show a comparison (though I'm sure YouTube compression will be an issue) but you have access to the same available online information that I do with a simple Google or YouTube search. There really is only one person though that can answer your original question of whether or not you can see a noticeable difference and that's you.

You've been looking at getting a new camera for what feels like a year, and I feel like you are far too concerned with this stuff vs. just getting something, getting out there, and shooting. You can pick up an old camera that films in 8-bit and get awesome images. It ain't the camera that is gonna limit you. Well, except maybe if it's a Sony, I hear they have trouble filming outdoors! 😉

Ad hominem. 🥱 

29 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

If you don't notice a difference then why are you asking? 😉

Let me rephrase - I’ve yet to find a video demonstrating the difference so I don’t know.  You’ve made a statement in confidence and was hoping you could educate me with an example. 

26 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

 There are a lot of variables. 4:2:0 is good enough for a lot of stuff but it's certainly nice to have that extra information when you need it.

Any media I can see to notice the difference? I can’t find much difference between 10-but 422 and 420

To clarify - in 10-bit and *not* green screen or keying 

Is there an appreciably noticeable difference in 4:22 and 4:20

YT - Film Alliance channel noted in latest video that to avoid overheating to early to switch codec to 4:2:0 10-bit. Was able to record over 1.5 hours in 24p and 37-40 at 60p. He argues that you work really notice a difference to 4:2:2 for most. 

4 hours ago, MrSMW said:

Overeats?

Over my head?