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9 minutes ago, markr041 said:
If you are not going to shoot log, and want ooc colors, and a small camera for video, you might consider the Sony ZV E10 (not ZV E1). It is APS-C but smaller and lighter than the fx30. No IBIS or 10bit (which you do not need), but with Sony OSS lenses (there are plenty), handholding is fine. and, of course, those lenses are small. You have lots of controls of color and looks in the camera. Onboard audio and mics are very good (like the ZV E1).
How does that compare to an XT5? Also curious if it is worth waiting for a7cII. Whats the general opinion on 8bit vs. 10 bit when not color grading. much?
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52 minutes ago, markr041 said:
If one is going to take advantage of the video capabilities of a camera, such as extended dynamic range (or exposure latitude) and the ability to obtain the color look you want, then you want to shoot using log profiles, 10bit color and 422 sampling. The SOOC looks are then irrelevant.
One also has to distinguish between "pleasing" colors and accurate colors. Maybe people are hardwired to prefer yellow tints, or other color distortions? My view is to start with accurate color and then grade to taste (but who's taste?), with a nice base of 10bit or 12bit 422 color. I prefer to have colors I can choose, rather than what a camera manufacturer chooses, which will make my videos look like the hundreds (thousand's?) of others who don't grade.
Understood - well said. I, personally, do not want to shoot Log and the original point I was making is that SOOC footage from Fuji was the preferred look to many I showed over the graded Log of other camera systems. I am curious why people seem to prefer Fuji internal colors versus others.
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3 minutes ago, kye said:
I think there are three things going on.
1) People can't colour grade and they're trying to buy their way out of learning.
As Resolve has grown in popularity the number of people that got access to a colour-managed workflow or colour space transformations has grown, and the number of people that can get the look they want from whatever camera they are using has also increased.2) People don't remember what film looks like.
The number of "filmic" images that look nothing like film has gradually turned from a trickle to a vast deluge, to the point now that many people trying to get the look of film may have never seen it, or wouldn't recognise it even if it showed up with the film-strip not yet cropped out. Over the last year or so I've been rewatching older movies and TV shows shot on film, from back when this was how all TV and movies were shot, and at times I've watched several hours of film a day for weeks or months straight. Most so-called "filmic" content online looks nothing like film, in practically any way. It does, however, remind me a lot of 4K GoPro footage, but with 15 times the dynamic range of both a GoPro and most film processes.3) People have changed what they like.
As time goes on, "cinematic" looks more and more like video every day. The so-called "cinematic" videos that people like, speak fondly of, share, and aspire to, all look nothing like what cinema actually looks like. I lost count of the number of times I argued online about sharpness and resolution and depth of field and colour science and colour grading and began to question myself in the face of almost universal online opposition.... then I'd go see a movie and I'd be reminded that I was right and everyone else was blind, has stopped going to the cinema, is full of shit, or all of the above.Great insight and appreciate the data!
what’s your thoughts on why many average folks tend to like Fuji images over most - not all?
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17 minutes ago, MrSMW said:
Well if you don't like the size of the A7iv which is I believe the smallest and lightest of that type of FF hybrid, then an OM Systems camera is probably what you are looking for. Something like the OM-1?
I had one in to test and thought it was a fantastic thing, but just wasn't blown away with the video quality compared with FF Lumix, but otherwise, great camera, if a tad over-priced.
thanks! will check - but video is quite important for me here
35 minutes ago, ac6000cw said:Have you tried using https://camerasize.com/compact/ to compare the size and weight of various camera and lens combinations?
It's a great tool for quick visual size comparisons of the top, front and back views (and hovering the mouse pointer over a camera or lens picture will pop up dimensions and weight info).
For example, this is a comparison of A7c, FX30, A7 IV, R8 and X-T4 - https://camerasize.com/compact/#858,895,883,903,841,ha,b
right - well done. that said, the lenses is what can make or break - the 24-105 of the a7iv was beheamoth for my tastes where a small lens on an xt4 was compact enough.
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Didn't want to hijack another thread but in that thread I was noting what I perceive as film-like images from SOOC Fuji photos/video. When I show friends they, too, typically pick Fuji when comparing to Sony/Panny/Canon. They basically, and myself, felt that much of the footage from Fuji felt like a "tv show/movie" but the others looked like high quality "video". Now, I explain to them that much of that is due to lighting, settings, grading, lens selection, etc. but it is the general feel.
Is this something many agree with? What's the tradeoffs with fuji that make many of you forego it for Panny/Sony/Canon/BM?
I'm looking into the XT5/XH2s now out of curiosity for my needs and curious on your thoughts.
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1 hour ago, MrSMW said:
One shoots slightly higher res stills and the other shoots ‘arguably’ nicer video.
Real world, not that much difference.
Folks tend to prefer one brand over another for any number of reasons.
Personal needs and choice in the end.
I have looked at; Olympus, Fuji, Sony and Nikon at one time or another (usually too many times!) in the last few years, but the combo of Panasonic bodies and Sigma lenses works best for me, all factors considered and the S5iix is going to be my workhorse for the foreseeable future, for photo and video.
yes makes sense! What I've noticed, and could be perceiving it wrongly, is that Fuji SOOC just looks more like stylized film both for photo and video. There is something about the footage that just makes me want to watch more. I like Sony/Canon/Panny but it feels... different? I'd be really intrigued if Fuji released a C70 style cinema camera with their current firmware version of AF.
I danced with the a7iv this weekend and it just was just too big and clunky for a non-pro like me looking to walk the streets of a local city, travel, family gatherins/vacations, work documentaries, etc. I liked my XT4 but the AF was rubbish.
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Wanted to check-in and see where people see this hybrid camera compared to the a7iv, S5II?
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44 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:
What's your overall budget? I would say whatever ticks the most boxes while allowing for the best glass. If the a7IV is too big, something like the a7c is quite a bit smaller. I like the x100's, but with so many good, small lenses, I've never been able to warm up to that one. And its capabilities are pretty limited.
Cheers
Chris
The x100v and xt4 AF was absolute shit for me but loved the emulations. Curious about the XH2S. Curious how that plays out ?
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28 minutes ago, PPNS said:
if i were to do documentary type work, i would rather use a camcorder than any mirrorless thing.
Which one?
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Non-Pro question: what are the reasons to not get a JVC, Sony, Canon etc camcorder and instead mirrorless if you’re only shooting video? They price around the same and are dedicated for video, yet this forum and YouTube is full of fx3 or c70 comparisons.
im sure there may be a simple answer but I’m naive to it and open to learning. And if throes camcorders would be excellent for dedicated video, which ones are worth checking out?
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On 4/26/2023 at 5:29 PM, ntblowz said:
So I used both R7 and R8 on a music festival, again R7 1 battery last whole night (4k25p), R8 I used pd powerbank so I don't have to swap battery.
Though I do see the overheating warning bar appearing on R8 but again only up to 1 bar, on R7 I didn't see the bar at all.
The R7 with Sigma 18-35mm 1.8 is a killer combo, the 4k crop mode is really handy for zoom in (make the 35mm end into a 100mm equivalent zoom), and IS is tripod like stability even in a crowded space, just the 4k60p and lowlight noise is not as good as the R8.
Any links for r7 footage ?
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17 hours ago, IronFilm said:
I felt a bit skeptical about that statement, so I looked it up:
The tv series Game of Thrones, released in 2011, was shot on digital using ARRI ALEXA Camera, ARRI ALEXA Mini Camera, Red Epic Dragon Camera and Angenieux Optimo Zoom Lenses, Cooke S4/i Lenses and editing was done on the Avid Editing System.
https://shotonwhat.com/game-of-thrones-2011
So I expect the vast bulk of it was shot in not even 4K, but less than that, with the ARRI cameras.
With perhaps a small small portion (such as VFX plates) shot with RED Dragon (a 19 megapixel sensor).
Yes as I said 40 mp hybrids don’t seem to be needed for video even for VFX. That said, I’m just making a point that I’d love to see more RD into color and DR than MP - I am guessing this z8 won’t move in that direction. I hope I’m wrong.
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36 minutes ago, Trek of Joy said:
The FX30 is a hybrid, just a heavily crippled one thanks to the exclusion of a mechanical shutter and competent photo modes - something the FX3 has. It's just the next a6000 camera sensor inside the recycled FX3 housing. But since it's so bad at taking photos, Sony will sell you another camera to do that job. With a readout speed superior to the current 24mp sensor, it could - and should - be a really great hybrid body. If it were a cine camera it would have more of the cine tools the FX6/9 have like waveforms, ND's and shutter angle. But it doesn't, so it isn't.
It's all marketing BS and Sony hitting it hard with the cripple hammer.
Cheers
Chris
Chris - do you think there’s a better body and lens system for the quality features and price/size?
a7iv is not an option for me or any similar size camera for travel and walking around etc.
photo is secondary thought - I’d grab an x100f or something for fun photos or just use and iPhone and VSCO for photos small prints
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58 minutes ago, markr041 said:
That is precisely why I have been trying out the fx3 and the fx30 - I am about to travel to China and I need a compact camera and lens. The fx3, with its full frame, really requires big lenses to have range and wide aperture. I am settling on the fx30 with the Sony Zeiss 16-70, which is a compromise, but gives me a small rig, with decent versatility and quality. 10bit and Slog3 are essential. The fx30 and the Zeiss lens and the Sony 15mm f1.4 for low light and night is where I am going. And, yes, my Samsung phone gives me the ability to take stills with no fuss, and I need a phone.
This 4K video is likely my final test run with the fx30 and Zeiss lens. I use all of the special features here - CIZ, gyro stabilization in post (Catalyst Browse) for walking-with-camera shots, and 4K 120p slow motion:
Looks great! Is this slog? What’s the biggest things you miss when shooting fx30 vs fx3? And what’s the biggest advantages over the fx3?
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1 hour ago, markr041 said:
OK. This is the type of comment that downgrades this whole forum. Just think about what you posted. Are you proud of your post? Should you reflect on what made you do it? Do you think it is clever? Do you think it impresses your friends and family?
Mark! How’s the form factor? I had fancied the a7iv but once I got a lens on it and brought it into the field - the cost (lens and body $4k) and size were too much. Returning ASAP.
Really considering fx30 and using the phone for photo until I can find a small x100v type camera that’s cheaper and less hype.
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FYI - GOT was shot on 8 and 20 megapixel sensors with a lot of fx
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8 hours ago, ntblowz said:
Sorry but VR and VP will need 8K, just because you dont need it doesn't mean others dont need it either.
Agree. Fair point. What’s the benefit of a 40+ MP sensor for video?
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40* MP, who needs 8k? Arri is 2k and the best you can get. Would love to see manufactures go toward color and DR.
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11 hours ago, MrSMW said:
Googles meaning: ‘ad hominem’.
You learn something every day on this forum 👍
The upsides of social media 😝
10 hours ago, Django said:I'm not sure how FX30's video lowlight capabilities effectively can translate to shooting photos on a D500 but I do agree that indoor sports shouldn't be the most challenging light conditions unless you are shooting at very slow aperture and/or the gym has extremely poor lighting for some reason. In that case, the solution imo is to use faster glass, improve the lighting and/or indeed get better lowlight sensor.
Regardless, if you do need a hybrid, that kinda rules out FX30, especially for sports. XH2S would be a much better hybrid for fast action and lowlight imo. S5ii and R6ii are also solid choices in that $2.5K budget.
Good points. Thinking a7iv is going to be the ultimate move here. Work with cinetone and improve the craft.
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7 hours ago, IronFilm said:
Millions of photos have been shot of athletes indoors, if an APS-C camera such as the Nikon D500 isn't "good enough" for you, then I expect the problem is with the user and not the sensor size.
Properly lighting a scene is important for any camera with any sensor size.
It’s really comforting to come to a forum to chat with blokes and be responded to with ad hominem insults. You’re not wrong on some of what you’d say, but you miss context a lot.
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On 4/24/2023 at 4:39 AM, Chrille said:
Check out this new music video shot on A74 24-104 and UV light.
very cool! love the blacklight! Any other videos you have ?
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17 minutes ago, Django said:
That's a bit of an old trope. Sony color science has made tons of progress and now with chunky 10-bit codecs you can get really nice IQ. As for overheating, not a problem on FX series which have active cooling.
AF is definitely ahead of Fuji/Panny.
Agreed - if your priority is focus and ISO i'd say Sony; if you want in-camera color/emulations then Fuji xh2
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On 4/22/2023 at 11:14 AM, hyalinejim said:
Whenever I'm doing interviews I check to see what direction the light is going in and therefor what directions the camera might point. Then I find a background I like and frame that up with the camera at the height of the interviewee's head and at around 70-135mm full frame equivalent. Then I place the person within the frame, moving them forward or back, left and right until I get the composition I want. If it's an off-centre framing then I'll get them to angle their hips and shoulders towards the other side of the frame slightly.
And I always try to shoot people standing as I think it looks better - they're less likely to slump or slouch than when sitting. This works well until I get someone who hops and jumps about and gradually crawls closer to the camera.
One thing I've learned is that there's no perfect interview location. But good enough is good enough!
Available light, S5II, EF 70-200 f4.
Gorgeous
Color - But Specifically, Fuji
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so that looks pretty dang good for video - how is it for photo? What i've liked about fuji is that the in-camera emulations produce wonderful SOOC video and photo.