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2 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Though I would never shoot a wedding, I can't imagine taking the risk of using autofocus on something that's so important to the client!...It's their one day and the wedding photographer/video gets only one chance to get it all right...as previously stated I've of course never done a wedding...but for anyone directing/producing a project of any kind, the assessment of risk/possibility/outcome lies squarely on their shoulders...for me personally that risk would be unacceptable.

Well I would almost bet you could do it on a Canon C100 mkII. You have to do test footage with a video camera to see it's good and bad points. Shooting a wedding right out of the box, well NO!  I would never trust doing it on MF either. You Need to have a nearly continuous video going all the time, You can't have a bunch of cuts going on all the time to MF on stuff. And you can't have a bunch of back and forth, trying to get in in focus crap in it either. No way you are going to record 3, 4 hours of Wedding, Reception in MF without it looking like you were drunk LoL.

I have shot 100's of weddings in the day, but that was before anyone used video in it, unless you were a Kennedy or something shooting it with 35mm film! I don't know yet how good the AF is on the GH5, I doubt like hell it is as good as DPAF Canon has. But we are not too many years away from having great AF in Video Cameras I bet.

39 minutes ago, sanveer said:

I don't know how many people use Auto focus on cameras for shooting anything. We shot a short film on a Canon 80D. The focus is pretty good. But in low light, close distance focus and when no individual is in the frame (or someone walks into an empty frame), the focus jump and the ability to figure out who to focus on is a joke.

The problem is not so much of whether is can focus accurately or whether there is any focus jump. The problem is there are many conditions under which a camera with auto focus is just a joke, and can never replace a human being. And the fact that a lot of it is absolutely unpredictable.

IMHO while dual pixel and all that marketing jargon sounds great, the fact that algorithm are far from great right now, means, that the hit and miss rate is huge.

Samsung Smartphones (and much smaller sensor cameras), have far better focus locking on subjects, and yet those too have their limitations.

I posted it here because I am genuinely curious to see whether someone anyone shot an entire short, documentary,  wedding or music video, or corporate work etc on Auto focus on a camera with dual pixel (canon) or something like an A6300 or even A6500. I think users exaggerated claims have kind of pushed the facts into the realm of dreams. People say things more for effect than for their actual worth.

Oh I can damn near see a Wedding being shot all using AF. Not as the only one there. With the main person shooting stills, I could see it happening.

But you are correct. Most of newer cameras are really set up to focus on people. People's faces. Like you said what happens when there are no people to shoot? I know for damn sure in low light, sucky contrast situations, well hold your ass if it will focus. But the touch focus does mostly work in that situation.

But at my age I Need a larger screen to do manual focus. Like a 7" one! But so many of these newer lenses have no aperture rings, and what rings they do have a all fly by wire. It  just is expensive as hell to have all the gear you need to do video lets face it. The camera on average is the cheap part compared to the rest of the stuff!! It seems to never end the money you need to spend. 

3 hours ago, wonderboy said:

Hi everyone, today i got luck and catched a helicopter take off. Tried to film it in Slowmotion, what do you think? It was really sunny outside so i turned the F-Stops way up to 16 but it ended up a bit to dark... 

https://youtu.be/fqNC9jKcgLU 

FHD 8 Bit VariableFameRate 180
ISO 200, F16, 180d Shutter, ManualFocus, HandHeld
PictureProfile is Like709 with Knee adjustment, Graded in AE

This newbie has been around the block before! 

2 hours ago, ntblowz said:

FS5 have both center scan and clearzoom mode.  ETC on Panasonic works the same as center scan mode, just the center crop of the sensor, unlike clearzoom which have software interpolation when you zoom in, so for me center scan/ETC > clearzoom all the time, especially with moving target.

I got FS5 myself and I always use center scan for extra zoom reach. On a7s I use APS-C mode instead.

here is the video done by other FS5 user on this subject

 

 

 Glad to see someones opinion as a end user. GAS on that part. I found it pretty hard to tell much difference myself on the video. But i am sure you are seeing it differently than are.

How well does center scan work at wide angles?? I would think it would not work as well as clearzoom mode? I was sort of waiting for the 70mm part to happen to be honest also.

 Yeah APS-C mode appears to  works better on the A7rII also. Not surprisingly across all of them.

2 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

I use his LUTS on the GH4...they're incredible and also work on your G7??...did I remember correctly?...but his luts are just to get you to a color space where you then start grading...he also provides a manual for settings in camera...exposure tips etc....this year Leeming, Andrew and Luke will get my money...

Yeah I use his stuff all the time. Leeming on my Gh2, Gh3, and now my G7. I have found he is just about the best guy consistently to use. He has that stuff figured out! It is not worth the effort to bother unless you are shooting something really difficult not to have his LuTs. And he seems like a really nice person on the Forum.

And I follow Barry Green with his book and comments on DVXuser for my AF100A. Guy is scary good.

This forum Andrew has here, and DVXuser to me, are 2 of the best learning Forums on the web for, eh "normal" people. By that I mean people that don't own top end gear, but aspire top end stuff maybe in the long run. You can't start at the top unless you are rich. and You, in this day and age, really don't even Need top end gear. But oh boy, fun to dream about it LoL.

I am not in the market at all for the GH5, but wow this thing seems ALL over the place on good and bad. I can see a few firmware updates Panasonic had not planned on. But I have faith in them to get it right. They have been to a few Rodeo's as they say!

Wow that guy does some magic stuff with his LuTs. And he is claiming 2 stops in Vlog over Cine D, wow that is pretty crazy if true!!  Kind of hard to believe though? But he is seeing the ghosting in low light issue also. So I guess it is a problem Panasonic is going to Have to sort out, and quick.

52 minutes ago, jonpais said:

@webrunner5 Thanks for pointing me in the direction of dvxuser man. @Inazuma Thanks for being my best critic.

I went ahead and purchased the Leeming LUT today and shot a quick video out in my neighborhood. In usual Jon style, I just color balanced by eye. I did not expose to the right, but will definitely do so the next time. I'd been using all kinds of LUTs for several years, it was tons of work, the colors were never to my satisfaction, which is why for the past couple of months I'd been working at getting the best results I could from Standard profile. But it was still too contrasty and the colors were off. I did no grading at all on this video, just the third clip, I raised midtones by four in FCP. I dropped a LUT on it and sent it on its way to YouTube. So, this LUT accords well with my philosophy in life, which is to do as little as possible  . Safari seems to be adding an orange cast to my skin which I swear is not there in the master file (except when I pass through the darker parts of the alley).

 

Wow, that LuT is a Big improvement color wise. Maybe you are a touch on the darker side, but better safe than sorry on that part. Well done.

Glad you are able to take advantage of his LuT. That guy is a real asset on that site. He is a wiz kid I guess LoL. Really nice to see your neighborhood.

DVXuser is a killer place for information. A lot of talented people on that site. And I have never seen a angry post on there. Pretty amazing for that alone.

19 minutes ago, Ken Ross said:

I've liked clear zoom too on my Sony cameras, but the 1.4 extender function on the GH5 is 100% lossless. It's really like having an optically perfect tele-extender.

I will give you that for sure. Panasonic did well with that feature. But the Sony can go to 2x which is a pretty big advantage. But the bigger the worse it can be at times, just like 2x physical ones behind lenses are.

18 hours ago, ntblowz said:

I used clearzoom few times and most of the time it sucks balls, result is too soft/pixelated when mix the footage with another one with proper zoom on another angle in multiple cam setup during event/theater setup, ETC mode while gives you really good result without degrading sharpness except the increase in noise at lower light environment, though both wont offer you the same bokeh as proper zoom.

Wow that has Not been my experience on 3 different A7.. cameras, and even on my VG 20, and VG 30. I think Sony has done a great job developing it. I know that a reasonable amount of people use it even on the FS5. We are talking FF sensors with the A7's they have a lot of pixels to deal with compared to say a m4/3. Heck 100% view in Photoshop, with my A7r, looks damn near as clean as the normal 17% you view.

Heck if you can use it taking Photos, Video well hell that is hardly any strain on it with 1080p.You only need 2mp. Even 4k is only 8.3. Yeah maybe on the A7s 4k might be a bit of a stretch, but 24, 36, 42mp versions, piece of cake.

Ah I would not dismiss any of Reds claims. They are pretty much top of the list. 18 stops can be done. Hell Canon has hit 20 stops using 2 F65's side by side using a prism. One set for shadows, one set for highlights, and combining them in to one signal. Probably a early test of 3D output truth be known.

34 minutes ago, squig said:

No sound. Getting 3k now with 14bit lossless  No samples yet. I'll get some anamorphic traffic shots tonight if the rain stops.

 Make it So, as Captain Jean-Luc Picard used to say.    Cool Beans!

Here is a pretty good list of DR on Video cameras toward the bottom of the article. 5D mkIII not doing so good.

http://wolfcrow.com/blog/where-cameras-stand-in-dynamic-range-film-vs-digital/

But with Raw he states 3 to 4 stop upgrade on say the Canon's.  That is a hell of a lot!! 

http://wolfcrow.com/blog/dynamic-range-comparison-of-raw-vs-video-mode-on-the-canon-550d/

I am a Big Casey Neistat fan. I know, I am a old Turd. Why?? Well he can light a fire under peoples ass, he makes stuff happen, and that is a good thing, and, and I think this video I have linked might light a fire under my ass, and well some other peoples asses, is that a word??, well I enjoyed it, and I am old, if you are young, hell you ought to enjoy it even More!!

It Makes me think, hell is it good because I am shooting it on a Arri Alexa, or is it good because I shot it on a Go Pro, strapped to my crotch, and it is a view no one has ever seen! Well maybe that is a gasp, BAD example!    You get what i mean.

Hell making movies or videos, what ever we want to call it is suppose to draw the audience into it. Cry, smile, laugh howl, cower, boo, you name it. Do they really give a rats ass if it was shot on a Sony F55 or a Panasonic GH1. WE need to just go out and make stuff happen, be it with a $10,000.00 camera or a 150 dollar one. I don't think the people that are going to look at it really care.

These YouTubers are really where it is at right now.  And they ain't going away. And they are NOT using Arri Alexia's!!

Yeah, there IS a reason Smartphones are so popular!! 

2 hours ago, noone said:

 

 

Manual focus is excellent with the A7 series cameras (better for me than anything else I have used) but is also great with EF mount lenses.

 

 

He is not kidding about that. I have NEVER seen a camera, or video camera as easy to MF than a A7 series camera. They are scary easy to do it with, and fast as hell to make it happen.

You can do it damn near as fast as AF could, they are that good. Now I never used a Sony F55 or a Arri Alexa, but...

10 minutes ago, jonpais said:

I should probably say how I white balanced and which settings I used as well. Settings: Standard, Contrast -2, Sharpening -5, NR -5, Saturation 0. I manually white balanced just using the LCD screen. No color correction in post. So of course, it's not any example of perfection. But I thought what Inazuma was referring to is the general overall skin tones having a tendency toward orange. I'm no expert on chroma smearing, but I thought that referred to splotchy patches of color (red/magenta) showing up in footage, not to the overall color rendition. Anyway, if you'd explain what you're seeing, I'd be very interested in learning more.

Yeah your  "I thought that referred to splotchy patches of color (red/magenta) showing up in footage" is what I equate chroma smearing to also? Especially on peoples face.

36 minutes ago, bunk said:

This picture you provided shows exactly the problem Inazuma is talking about (chroma smearing). No need to go pixel peeping, viewing it at 100% is enough.

Hell on my monitor it looks great at 100%. Well now Jon, not so great. For some reason the Red disappears when I blow it up here, but on YouTube it is too Red.

But I just don't see the chroma smearing you are talking about??

I mean yeah the curtains behind him maybe what you are talking about, they look more OOF than smeared?

This link shows for a GH4 at least, that a good LuT can change it tremendously from not so hot to holly shit! Christ those women in the feather things are well, GREAT! http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?340808-Leeming-LUT-One-%96-the-best-LUT-for-the-Panasonic-GH4/page52

I don't think we ought to be blaming cameras as much as we ought to be blaming the LuTs in them we use!! Not counting not doing WB, BB, wrong exposure, on and on.

Yeah we all want better Video cameras, but the better they are the harder it is to shoot with them! There are 20 things you NEED to check before you even push the button. And then if you change location, lighting changes, well here we go again!

At times you sort of wish you were in pure auto mode using a old P&S LoL. I ain't easy to get everything right, and if you are in a hurry, well it almost always bites you in the ass.

23 minutes ago, Tim Sewell said:

http://www.newsshooter.com/2017/03/31/canon-firmware-updates-march-2017/

For me - C100 mkii shutter angle priority is a lovely little gift from Canon!

Yeah sort of a auto mode which is good. One less thing you forget to check before you shot! 

On 12/28/2014 at 10:29 AM, William Reynish said:

Thing is, most 1080p cameras can't actually resolve 1080p. This is due to de-bayering, scaling and compression. Zoomed in 1:1, most 1080p footage is blurry, lacking super fine detail. 4K (itself not completely sharp when looking at it 1:1) downscaled to 1080p gives you 'proper' 1080p with superb detail, way sharper than 'native' 1080p cameras can resolve.

Oh, and as for lenses, most prime lenses can definitely resolve 4K. 4K is still 'only' 12 megapixels. Almost all stills cameras are higher res than that. If lenses couldn't out-resolve 12 MP, why would you ever need more than 12 MP for stills?

Actually 4k is Only 8.3mp. So Any old lens is able to resolve that many MP. 1080p is only 2mp. We are not talking serious amounts of data needed here.

It is almost a miracle how good the BMPCC, BMCC are for the money they cost. Damn they have a great look to them.

I understand on average, for people on here, we Need a better video head than the one I suggested. But I will stand by my statement. I have even used it with my AF100A and a 19x B4 Lens hanging off it! Was it desirable, well no, but it balanced, and the movements were smooth. It is a hell of a good head for smaller DSLRs and Mirrorless, and the price is right.

There is no need  that you always have to have a 15 pound tripod all the time. People do bicycle, and backpack, go on vacation at times. This thing works. Is it the Only tripod you need no, but everyone probably needs more than one outfit.  I have my eye on a Vinten Vision 8 to use for my ENG stuff. But that would be sort of overkill for my G7 and a small prime lens. And the Vinten cost a thousand dollars!

I have this head  use for my Panny G7 and I Highly recommend it. It gets the job done for the money. I don't think it can be beat for the price. And if you look at the reviews on it @ B&H I am not alone on my opinion!

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/553886-REG/Manfrotto_128RC_128RC_QR_Micro_Fluid.html

1 hour ago, Trek of Joy said:

I'd like to see Sony revive the smaller VG camcorder line with the a6500 innards, just call it the FS3. The VG's were way ahead of their time - and way under spec'd with that crappy mic and line skipping 1080p - so they were DOA from the beginning. Now we have the MIS and the XLR adapters, so the goofy built in mic could be eliminated. Plus we finally have the lenses to make it shine either with E-mount or adapted. Touchscreen and PADF make it more user friendly.

Do it!

Hell yes, make it so! I Loved that body shape. You could but one of those in the glove box.

7 hours ago, Kubrickian said:

The only GH5 video I've seen so far that I've really liked is James Miller's. All that it took was a Zeiss Otus and a 4k external recorder to accomplish a pristine baked-in-LUT downscale of 4k to 1080p. Every other test video simply doesn't have colors I like. The film look isn't there. If you told me all of it was shot with a GH4 I'd believe you. 

Very true. James Miller seems to have his stuff together on the GH5. I would guess he could do the same with about any camera. He does have talent.

Like you say hands down the best output i have seen yet. I think it is going to take some time before a lot of people get the hang of the GH5. It is a different beast color which is a good thing.

6 hours ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Well if you looked at the very last line in my post you'd notice that I recommended a lower weight fluid head than mine

My head is the DS-20 and B&H is listing it at $1311.00...incredible head though I'd say around the 20 lb mark, the 75mm bowl/mechanism starts flexing...for how little I move a camera, I still opt for this...weight's reasonable and you'll never replace the head...

Yeah a 20lb head ought to be using a 100mm half ball. That would be pushing the limit for a 75mm.