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3 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said:

Thanks @Kristoferman & @webrunner5, very helpful. I'd never thought about the bi-colours only being half and half, super obvious but I had never considered it. I'll make an investment into lights at some point and Aputure's stuff looks great, just got to work out what might make a good starter kit.

I think I would go for LCD panels for now, They are damn cheap, and for concentrated light you just get closer if you can, with a small LCD panel. Plus the fold able ones don't weigh anything! Sure have a couple of Fresnel spots is sort of a necessity though. Cheapest way to light is to go to Wal Mart and buy their 3x4" 2x3' what ever they have, white foam panels and bonce light with them, They are like 4 bucks each. They work wonders, beautiful effect, if the Wind isn't blowing like hell LoL.

18 minutes ago, Phil A said:

I wonder how much that will add in the end. I've seen quite a few sources that claimed that 400Mbps All-I is actually more compressed than 150Mbps Long GOP so the All-I will maybe give you slightly better motion & quality when there's a lot of movement but no image quality boost in most cases.

This little short article may help shed a some light on the subject.

http://www.dslrvideocollege.com/all-i-vs-ipb-what-do-they-mean

6 minutes ago, Gregormannschaft said:

Amateur hour question here: what are the benefits of a Fresnel over an LED light panel? I've always worked with panels and found them super useful, especially bi-colour ones. So wondering why someone would opt for a fixed K value light over a bi-colour...? I'm gonna guess colour accuracy?

Yeah Accuracy, and the ability to have a lot narrower light beam. Also the Fresnel lens helps magnify the light just like a Lighthouse Fresnel does. So you can use a lower wattage lamp, bulb, LCD in them. And the good ones are built like a tank. Arri ones are for sure.

You have to have in reality all kinds of light to cover making a top notch film. Even bare light bulbs. Lighting is not an easy thing to pull off. It does take a lot skill. And I hate, a Bunch of light stands.

And the Bi Color ones are for high and low kelvin values. And you can get a bit of softer light on the darker yellowish LCDs compared to the clear or white ones.They are getting better and cheaper by the day. Heck some of the new ones you can just fold them up, who would have ever thought!

Well it was at least nice to see his WIFE!  And we Did see a Lot of her for a Very SHORT time!

4 hours ago, Grégory LEROY said:

Thank you guys for your advice. On my last video, I used a 5500K LED light (no modificator) as backlight. I put my camera WB as  tungsten so the LED turns blue . For the key light, I use a larger 3300K LED light with an umbrella (softer light). It's a pretty amateur and inexpensive set up, but what do you think of it? What should I modify?

For my next video, I plan to shoot people having fun in a restaurant. Are back light relevant? Are LED light relevant as back light? I don't like to gel them cause they look inesthetic when on fields.

Here is a video of my last presentation (light set up at 2:42). I plan to put some led light on fields next time. Shot with Nikon D5500. Activities 100% legal. Don't hesitate to give me some tips to improve. Thank you.

 

I think a restaurant, bar is about the worse place I have ever tried to shoot video in. I bet @noone can chime in here about that. Lighting is All over the place Kelvin wise. Unless you set up a section that you can Stage a shot in, maybe other than where the cooks are, which seems pretty consistent lighting wise, you are asking for trouble. Plan ahead, is all I can say. And use a camera that has a Ton of DR, you will need it.

The booths are dark as heck, the bar is light as hell, reflections on mirrors at the bar, TV's suck to film, can't use 24fps, waitress opening doors in and out, maybe people lighting cigarettes, going to the restrooms, etc, Wow, is all I can say. And if you have a lot of different nationalities involved in there, Oh boy, that is fun in dark areas.

Hint, Hint, take a LOT of footage so you can salvage some of it!

1 hour ago, Hanriverprod said:

I meant the original gh5 grade. The colors are a little garish but I think this lut is too flat for her skin. Maybe just tweak it a little and get some color back in her face?

Yeah I agree, I would not push this "out the door" as they say. But it a LOT better of a starting place than the original one. I like the upgrade on it. It is not a mile off like the first one.

But I was thinking earlier that his sort of look maybe more of the future look than you and I, we, might like. With 4k, 6k, 8k, out, well I just don't see the old school film look even being able to Be duplicated, hell maybe even desired by the younger crowd. We may be becoming a Dinosaur. A lot of young people may not know what a film look even is, or care. You have to remember a lot of them grew up as gamers, total Smartphone users! They really don't care about buttery smoothness, 24fps, they want 60fps or more, no choppy stuff, crystal clear clean output.

I live in a small College town of 12,000 people with a College that has 28,000 students. Miami of Ohio. I ate out tonight at a Sports Bar in Oxford, Ohio where I live, and where the College is. They had 22 42" TV's, all of them 4k, and they had like a 22" TV, maybe 19", I sat at the bar with my wife, they had a Good looking, young female Bartender , at Every booth,  and you could choose what YOU wanted to look at! Everyone of them seemed like they were on a smartphone, Apple Laptop yikes!, iPad etc. You think they give a crap about a Film look?? I Really doubt it. Our Goose is cooked down the road like it or not.

21 minutes ago, Hanriverprod said:

I like your grade better. Her color here might be more consistent, but she's losing life in her face and also she's flattening out with the background. Maybe a balance between the two? I'm more concerned with the lamp on the left.

you talking about the original GH5 grade, or his Ursa 4.6k grade? Sure I like the Usra 4.6 grade overall, but this is a gradable grade if that makes sense. The first one was a total crap shoot on the outcome if you were not there to visualize it I think.

And the lamp, that has probably more to do with a lack of DR than anything m4/3 sensors have sad to say. That is still their one fatal flaw. You can overcome DoF, lack of low light with a fast lens to start with, and adding a Speed Booster to that, DR, well not so much.

59 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

Yeah it does.

Kholi is creating a LUT for V Log. Here is the pre release version on this clip:

Wow, now we are talking! That is very nice. That has some damn good potential! Sweet. I knew there Had to be a lot more to this upgrade, than has been shown at times.

That is getting up there with the big boys!

1 hour ago, AaronChicago said:

It does. 2K DCI, and 2K 16:9 full sensor.

Yeah I forgot to post that here, but the raw camera files:

GH5 (converted to ProRes):  https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3bgfvsxzflhe7c/GH5_10bit.mov?dl=0

UM46K: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ojbccq0eliskkm/A002_02252030_C023.mov?dl=0

Aaron does the Ursa support OIS lenses??

1 hour ago, AaronChicago said:

It does. 2K DCI, and 2K 16:9 full sensor.

Yeah I forgot to post that here, but the raw camera files:

GH5 (converted to ProRes):  https://www.dropbox.com/s/e3bgfvsxzflhe7c/GH5_10bit.mov?dl=0

UM46K: https://www.dropbox.com/s/0ojbccq0eliskkm/A002_02252030_C023.mov?dl=0

Those two are like night and day! That would be some tough footage for a colorist to edit on the GH5. That is like a blank canvas. That ends up like a guessing game.

4 hours ago, Emanuel said:

This last paragraph recalls this video here (and that meaningful statement pronounced on minute 1:27):

What about to take that thing of settings seriously?

I doubt he may find the same outcome going with sharpness dialed at the lowest end of the range, as for instance.

Actually, taking appearances seriously instead (see minute 1:22 for example and those ugly shadows in the wall as merely from bad lighting) can be an illusive bitch to the eyes BTW...

There should surely be sweet spots for AF usage, as well.

The signs are out there: it is just the way to follow them. Straight out of the box? Hard to find their miracles.

Wow that video sure did have some ugly Moire, and he has a eh,eh Long Legged wife! Is Moire really that bad?? That would be a total deal breaker if you do fashion, or architectural work.

2 hours ago, AaronChicago said:

GH5 I had sharpening at -5. The UM46K has no internal sharpening but I applied a little bit to match the GH5.

Well to be honest, the GH5 was closer to her actual look in real life, but the background was wacky compared to in real life. The Ursa handled all around color better but it does give her that slightly un-natural look (which I don't mind at all unless it's a beauty commercial).

Oh I am sure the overall was better on the Ursa. There IS a reason they are twice the price or more LoL. But I am surprised how sharp the GH5 still was at -5.

10 minutes ago, deezid said:

-5 on sharpening is always the way to go, unless you like the smartphone look.

Well if say you are doing a commercial for a Jewelry Store I would think taking video of Diamond Rings you might even want to turn it up. People just don't use video cameras all the time to get a Film look. It is, well it is a tool to make money with at times, or just for fun.

I don't think I would want to shoot my young children, when they are growing up, looking like a 50's movie with sharpness turned all the way down! I think your wife might not be too happy with that 10 years later!

And now since the GH5 does 3D LuTs I would think you can make it look like anything you want with practice.

Well I guess the biggest question is to me, maybe others, is which camera actually looked more like her live AaronChicago??  I can always change a camera to look different, but not always realistic looking, that is harder to do if that is what you want, say in a corporate interview, which I understand, I guess, this wasn't the case here...

 I guess what I mean is I would Not use a BMPCC to interview the CEO of General Motors over the GH5. Who, by the way, is a Woman. You are allowed to turn sharpness down a bit on the GH5! 

Seems to me people are beating up on a camera that has only been out a month, and maybe they only had for a week or less. Is it a 2000 dollar Arri, well no, but It can shoot 4k where a Arri can't, and with the firmware updates coming I bet you could shoot a film, and Netflix would take it, according to their requirements. Can't do that even with a Arri Alexa. It Has to be 4k. I think it has great potential. Luke seems to have figured it out.

8 hours ago, Borbarad said:

. Also the 6k Photo mode is very useful.

And one of the most underrated points of the GH5 is the heavily improved image quality and colors. 

So, I really like the GH5 - it's a massive improvement from the GH4 in stills and movie.

 

 

 

I would think yes the 6k photo mode might be one of the main reasons I would get one myself. I do like to do birding photos and video of them. And yes I also see a big improvement in the image quality and the colors from peoples videos. Nice.

But not sure if the Olympus EM1 mkII might even be better for birding?? I had a EMI, that was a heck of a camera. But I would hate to give up the Video capabilities of the GH5. So probably would not buy a EM1 mkII.

7 hours ago, jcs said:

They don't make 'em like they used to haha  (except for maybe the creators of Rick & Morty!)

Well don't get much crazier than Beavis and Butt-Head was. I sort of hated them, but really like them LoL. My son was the one that watched them a lot not me! I was old at the time. Probably mid 40's.

10 hours ago, jcs said:

Example of backlighting with musicians moving in/out of light (really just an excuse to post this awesomely bizarre video from yesteryear):

And the making of:

Les Claypool has got to be one of the strangest bass players to ever live, Thank God!! 

Just now, Don Kotlos said:

With the eGPU solution you are essentially upgrading to a desktop GPU which greatly benefits most NLEs. From the late 2013 and onwards macs had the TB2 which is really close to the TB3 of the latest version. The CPUs haven't really changed that much. For example the top end CPU of the late 2013 15" was the I7-4960HQ performs about the same as the I7-6920HQ of the latest generation. 

So yeah with a late 2013 15" is totally worth getting an eGPU for video editing  

Sweet, sweet sounds like a plan.

12 minutes ago, Snowfun said:

Possibly a bit of a harsh verdict? The Pocket is most definitely still "worth it" if one is looking for high quality 1080 output. I also think that it is an ideal learning tool for those new to grading etc. But I agree - it is a shame that BM have not released a 2.5k 60p version.

Yeah they are still worth it if you just can find one for around 650 or less, and just buy a few batteries for it and leave it at that. But if you go whole hog and rig the heck out of one, I think you are throwing money into a rat hole. Buy a GH4 used, money better spent I think overall.

I wonder how far behind a MBP late 2013 would be? I really don't use a Mac enough to justify a newer one. I am sure it is not as good, but good enough, or a waste of my time?

26 minutes ago, mercer said:

Lol. They could have no plans to ever make a Pocket II and they're just using that as an excuse. 

I guess I'll have to settle for 3K Raw on my 5D3. 

Yeah by the time you rig a BMPCC and buy a SB, 5 batteries for it, you can Buy a 5D mkIII, and heck you can even take photographs with it! They, in reality, are not worth it anymore. I am really not even re considering buying another one of them again, probably ever.

Jesus Stop that shit. I am 70 years old. I almost had a heart attack, the hell with your underware!!

26 minutes ago, mercer said:

Not to mention, after 4 years why hasn't BM lowered the price of the Pocket? 

Truth be known they are probably still selling the heck out of them yet. Still nothing that can touch them in raw new or used for well, I was going to say twice the money, but there is this sort of New thing called a ML 5D mkIII that Canon nerfed the living hell out of.

3 hours ago, mercer said:

Yeah, but I'm unsure why they believe it needs to be 4K? 2.5k in 24 as 60p would be a fine upgrade for the Pocket and would quench most people's needs for the next couple of years. 

Yeah I would have been happy with that, basically a BMCC as a Pocket, whats wrong with that? Duh! Christ the data with 4k raw would have been crazy as hell anyways?? Damn battery would last 10 minutes LoL. I would not have even begun to want 4k Raw? Who in the hell did they ask that even wanted that shit??

Sure as hell didn't come on here and ask anyone about Our opinions, that's for sure. Jesus even a Arri is not 4k! A Arri, BM Ursa uses about 60% of the body as a heat sink.  And a Red has a fan on the top of them that will blow your wig off if you lean over one! Forget about having a on-board mic on one of them.

And they are going to run 4k raw in a body you can stick in your pocket? No the hell wonder they can't find a sensor for it LoL.

51 minutes ago, Fritz Pierre said:

Great price!....but hello!...look at the shipping costs!...there is a scheme afoot where one pays the shipping (usually very high) separately on an item with too good a price to be true...you pay everything....the camera never shows up, and you are refunded by PayPal...but the cost of shipping is gone?...of course 5000+ hours on this one rather than the 1060 on the one I posted above....who knows??

Well part of the reason it is that high is the Insurance you have to pay to ship it. So i doubt it is a rip off scheme. They charge you out the butt for 11k of insurance. And it does come with a Flight Case. They are Heavy to ship. It really is not out of line at all.

But that is a Damn good price for that camera. There is really not anything you can't shoot with that camera other than 4k. Make a full feature film if you want. GAS.

9 minutes ago, AaronChicago said:

I was planning on doing a more in depth test, but I only had a few minutes to spare during a shoot to compare the two cameras with our actress.

GH5 Settings: UHD, V Log L 10 bit, ISO 800, 24p, Sigma 18-35, shot at 28mm f4 using Nikon Speedbooster.

Ursa Mini 4.6K Settings: UHD, ProRes 422, ISO 800, 24p, Sigma 18-35, shot at 28mm f4.

Grade: I started with Comet Color A Side for the UM46K. Added a bit of contrast and saturation. From that point I tried matching the GH5's color/exposure to match.

Lighting was mixed conditions. Her face was lit with a Quasar Science 5600K LED tube + natural daylight coming in the window. Background lights were running at around 2600K. Walls are a greenish yellow color naturally.

 

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Yeah the GH5 is a little Too brutal on a woman's face. I am sure it could be "turned down". But colors wise not a lot different I see. GH5 for the money is looking hard to beat.