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@no_connection no i don't expect hollywood to be using the EOS R, my point however was that 10-bit 4:2:2 Log has it's relevance, on a tripod, on a gimbal, maybe even handheld with IS. I'll probably mainly be using it in 1080p so the crop/RS isn't even an issue..

@Shield3 that's a common misconception..  the amount of light is the same.  try it yourself by switching from FF to APS-C if your camera has that function, the image doesn't get darker.. same if you crop a photo, doesn't change the lighting.  plenty of videos explaining this, i like this one with the light meter analogy: https://youtu.be/VeQPtk7icjo

@no_connection Most hollywood productions are locked tripod shots with a S35 crop. I think 10-bit 4:2:2 Log will be very useful in a handful of "static" situations.

@Shield3 Yeah i already aknowledged that.. was only half serious with that comment anyways but since we're getting technical it should be reminded that although DoF increases while cropping, an F1.2 or F2 remains the same as far as light gathering is concerned.. so no stops are lost.

2 minutes ago, no_connection said:

With that bad rolling shutter it's pretty much dead on arrival, what point is 10bit if you can't use it?

 

 

I hate bad RS but not everyone is doing whip pans & fast action shots. It'll be more then usable for corporate interviews, product shots, tripod work etc.

Lack of 120fps @ 1080p is inexcusable however.

Release schedule:

29 minutes ago, Yurolov said:

Thing is you are still getting a full frame stills camera with 30 megapixels. The video crop is fine if u need to shoot photos and vids. Some of the advantages more than outweigh that inconvenience. Xt3 cant do full frame stills. So it doesnt compete. 

Yeah I'm not ashamed of saying my XT2 is on it's way out, and the EOS R will be replacing it. It'll be a perfect B-cam to my C100 (or maybe it'll be the other way around!) The 4k crop sucks but i've been living with that same exact crop just fine on the XT2.  Will probably need to get the Sigma 18-35mm F1.8 and a new gimbal.

I'll probably mostly still shoot in 1080p, with cropped 4K shots for punching-in or product close-ups. I'm real excited about 10-bit CLog & Focus Guides for MF.

Smooth aperture control via ring adapter for my EF legacy glass & Eye-AF is a cool bonus too.

Overall this is satisfactory for my needs at the given price point. Would not have paid 5D4 money for it though.

Easy just assign multifunction bar to 1080p <-> 4K resolution, and voilà!  

2 minutes ago, Robert Collins said:

Well more like man 85 f1.8 but still - a lot of versatility....

 

Oops caught me slippin on my crop math!

Hey look at it this way, that 50mm 1.2 can double as a 85mm 1.2 in 4K ! Yay!

Anyone do the math on the crop factor? it's looking way more than 1.6x

10 minutes ago, mercer said:

According to BH, internal is 8bit 4:22 and there is a View assist LUT to monitor Canon Log as a graded image. 

That's a typo.. Canon state "4:2:0 8-bit internal":

There is an 8-bit & 10-bit CLog setting...?

There is Electronic IS, so combination IS is probably lens IS + digital IS.

4k crop is a bummer. RS is even worst. Best hope is for much improved (M50 like) FF 1080p.

I'll probably be getting one though: Eye AF, DPAF, Focus guides, Clog & 10-bit out, Vari ND.. pretty good for a $2K Canon

Focus Guides + Peaking

Full specs:

Movie TypeRecording Formate: MP4< /br>Video:MPEG-4 AVC/H.264, variable (average) bit rate< /br>Audio:For editing (ALL-I): linear PCM< /br>Standard (IPB), Light (IPB): AAC 

Movie Size4K (3840x2160), Full HD (1920x1080), HD (1280x720)< /br>High Frame Rate movies: HD< /br>HDR Movies:< /br>With RF/EF lenses: Full HD< /br>With EF-S lenses and movie cropping: HD< /br>Time-lapse movies: 4K/Full HD 

Frame Rate 119.9p/59.94p/29.97p/24.00p/23.98p (with NTSC)< /br>100.0p/50.00p/25.00p/24.00p (with PAL)< /br>* 119.9p/100.0p used for High Frame Rate movies 

Compression Method For editing (ALL-I), Standard (IPB), Light (IPB) 

Bit rate/Card performance requirements (writing/reading speed)4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/For editing (ALL-I)< /br>Approx. 480 Mbps/UHS-II, Video Speed Class 60 or higher< /br>4K (29.97p/25.00p/24.00p/23.98p)/Standard (IPB)< /br>Approx. 120 Mbps/UHS-I, UHS Speed Class 3 or higher /br>Full HD (59.94p/50.00p)/For 

Sound Recording Built-in stereo mics, external stereo mic jack provided< /br>Sound-recording level adjustable, wind filter provided, attenuator provided 

Headphone Headphone terminal provided, volume adjustable 

Cropped Movies Available 

Movie Digital IS Available (Enable/Enhanced) 

HDR Movies Available 

Time-Lapse Movies 4K or Full HD 

Time Code Can be appended 

Canon Log Available for card recording (when set to 8-bit) and HDMI output (when set to 8-bit/10-bit) 

Remote Control Shooting Available 

Still Photo Shooting Not available during movie recording 

HDMI Output Image output without information display available< /br>* 4K output supported; Auto/1080p selectable

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Eye AF also supported

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Price info:

Body = 237,000 yen [$2127 / €1840]

28-70 2 = 420000 Y = $3769
24-105 4 IS = 155000 Y = $1390
50 1.2 = 325000 Y = $2916
35 1.8 IS Macro = 75000 Y = $673

Canon Log & Focus Guides is a go! 

1 hour ago, Mokara said:

Those DSLRs are not designed with video in mind, although they can do it. Not a whole lot of people shoot stills in live view mode with a DSLR, hence peaking is not there.

One other thing you guys keep forgetting is that these sorts of things are almost certainly covered by patents and what you can and can't use will be determined by whatever licence you have and when the patent expires. I work in the tech industry making cutting edge products, and we can only do a fraction of what we want to do because there is a huge minefield of IP owned by competitors out there. Just because something is possible does not mean you can use it. And even if you can use it in one product it does not mean you can use it in another for a different application. Not unless you don't mind being sued for retail proceeds of course.

It always surprises me how people who have no experience in the business world and how it works view things simplistically. Real life is not that straightforward and not everyone is out to screw you over. I can guarantee you that every single camera company out there, bar none, can't make the product they want to make because of all the related IP owned by the competition. What we as consumers get is the best compromise with what is possible without being sued.

5D series was not designed with video in mind?! It started the whole FF video craze..

Anyways that's all very interesting but i doubt any of that applies here. Peaking & Eye AF have nothing to do with anyone getting sued. Both features are already in their $600 M50 MILC. You wanna make us believe they can't use it in their EOS R because of some kind "IP minefield"? If patents exist for those features (which i doubt is the case, especially peaking) Canon visibly own them and can apply them however they want.

Reality is Canon are pros at product segmentation and have long kept video assist features for their cine line but they are also severely limited by their own tech. No BSI sensors, no IBIS system etc. Perhaps indeed if they tapped to Sony like Nikon did for sensors they wouldn't have fallen so behind, but Canon is stubborn and takes pride in doing things on their own. It's kinda reminiscent of Apple's stubborness to resist adopting intel chips in their Macs for the longest of times. Another thing is Canon likes to play it safe, and will withhold features to prioritize stability where others like Sony will cram features at the risk of overheat failures. 

@Mokara few people use live view for video in DSLRs? anyways we're talking mirrorless and just about every current mirrorless camera has peaking..

@mercer look closer, it's listed under playback. nothing indicates it'll be available in live view. it's a pretty annoying feature anyway imo.

Looks like you might be right about the 1.5x crop on D5.. so let's hope Canon doesn't pull a 2016! 

1 minute ago, mercer said:

Well, the last FF camera, with 4K, Canon released was over 2 years ago. Panasonic didn’t have a 4K camera without a crop. Fuji didn’t have a 4K camera without a crop. Nikon didn’t have a 4K camera without a crop. I believe Sony was the only manufacturer that had a 4K camera without a crop...

 The 2016 Nikon D5 shoots FF 4K.. 

Re: EF-S lenses:

Compatible Lenses

Canon RF lens group (excluding EF, EF-S and EF-M lenses)
When using Mount Adapter EF-EOS R: Canon EF or EF-S lenses

Right well at least EOS R has the new Digic 8 processor (vs Digic 6+ on 5D4). hopefully peaking & eye-AF trickles up from M50..

FWIW the 5D4 sensor is 30.4MP vs 30.3MP on the EOS R. incremental difference i know but could mean technically not same (old) sensor.

We'll know for sure tomorrow:

CRINGE

@Andrew Reid The music video was shot in FX mode, internal, standard profile:

"I filmed this straight to card. I had an exceptionally fast turn-around deadline so I did it for workflow ease.  My camera profile was standard and it was shot in FX. I tried to create the cleanest most straight forward look so everyone can see how wonderful the footage looks without and color correction or editing."

4 minutes ago, gelaxstudio said:

I'd check the spec PDF，nowhere seeing it

But I saw only one 3.5 input on the extension system terminal，it could mean no headphone jack 

....

strangely enough Canon don't really advertise the peaking feature on M50 and Eye-AF isn't even listed in it's pdf specs!

the EOS R will have a headphone jack, you can clearly see it in the leaked side pic:

9 hours ago, mercer said:

Well, nobody knows that for sure. In fact, if you google EOS R 4K crop, EOS HD is the only site that it comes up as a fact...

Well heres another fact: the single only Canon camera that currently shoots FF 4K without a crop is... the $33,000 C700 FF.

Odds aren't looking very good but yeah who know's for sure heh.