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Documentaries like that wouldn't be shot in RAW but rather 422 10-bit. If you must shoot in RAW and you wanna half the 1Gbps bitrate, you could compromise with 5.9K at 556mbps or even 2.9K at 144mbps (Super16). There are really a bunch of options on this camera, I don't understand the fuss about codecs & resolution. I don't know what you tubers you're referring to but I'm basing my opinion on actual years of shooting with Canon gear. I've gone through most their cameras since 5DM2 including Cinema line and the compressed codec have always been impressive to me compared to other cameras compressed codecs, that includes the C100 24mbps codec! To me -shot and graded properly- the R5/R6 have excellent overall IQ. No problems there. The 10-bit 4:2:2 C-Log compressed codec are fine and color/skin-tone wise I prefer it to BlackMagic CS. I was even going to buy a C70 before it even had Canon RAW. that goes to show you ho much I believe in their compressed codecs. From what I've been seeing (and know from C200) is that CRL does bring out more sharpness & detail and obviously 12-bit color. So shooting Canon RAW is of course a major IQ benefit if you can handle file size & workflow. And yes 5D3 ML 14-bit RAW was something special but that's more nostalgia speaking. It was rather quirky to shoot, cumbersome workflow to edit and of course FHD which is an obsolete format.

what "clay" skin-tones? always thought Canon was well regarded when it came to skin tones.

It's been noted, also Canon rep had this to say in the ProAV stream chat:

Canon claims the Raw update on C70 will unlock the full DR potential from the sensor so maybe expect an extra stop. DGO sensor also does wonders for shadow noise so its a whole different exposure method (to the left) and has much better shadow recovery.

Maybe but I'm not sure I buy the heat excuse. Not with a fan on-board but who knows. Could also be price, IBIS would certainly add a few hundred bucks. In the end no C line camera has ever had IBIS and I guess that isn't changing anytime soon. Maybe we'll see it on a R5C mk2?

True I guess IQ wise there should be now zero differences in between C70 & C300iii ? Pretty crazy considering the camera isn't even 2 years old but yeah any EF cam seems like poor investment, major transition point at Canon..

I disagree the IBIS on R5/R6 is really good. Obviously on a ultra wide angle walking you're going to get wobbles, it's not miraculous or a gimbal but for locked shots and careful movements using normal lens it works great, especially combined with lens IS. I'm pretty sure removing IBIS was a segmenting decision. or cripple hammer if you prefer. In order to protect R5 and C70..

I was so set on the C70 but the R5C is really making me reconsider. FF 8K Raw for cheaper just seems so hard to pass. Really need to see DR & noise comparison between these two cameras. Especially with the C70 CRL update. CRL should bring a substantial IQ increase to the C70, in this R5C codec comparison the difference in sharpness & detail is huge:

@kye I use 240fps A LOT on my FS7. I'd even say I use way more than 4K60 even though its FHD. It does wonders on liquid shots and sport/action. My clients really love it. Its true its not a HFR we see a lot even in todays latest hybrids. I'll admit sometimes whip out the FS7 for this feature alone!

Right, well no IBIS so yeah guess that deal breaks the R5C for you.. maybe go for FX3 or S1H? 😉

Right except no cine cam actually yet still has IBIS.. well except for FX3 but again it's really just a re-housed A7S3. the video AF seems to be the same as any C line camera. meaning no animal AF etc. The bottom line imo is that this camera may not be the best hybrid (then again which one is?) but it's the closest thing to a stills cam + cine line cam fusioned.

I don't think it's that. Of course there is some segmentation but really what Canon have done with the R5C is interesting: the photo side is EOS R stills menu/specs and the video side is EOS C. I honestly think this is the right way to go and a major shift in hybrid cameras up until now. All other brands mostly have common OS menu/specs for both stills/video. Again Sony were the laziest ever imo with their FX3 that is purely a rehoused A7S3.

Same way people have been doing it before IBIS became the norm. ..yet both the 1DC & 1DX3 haven't got IBIS. R3 & R5C seem to me like much better hybrid options. As for Cinema EOS products. They've been very successful from the start as much more affordable and practical options than ARRI/RED. FYI many Academy Awards in documentary category use Canon Cinema gear: https://www.canon-europe.com/pro/news/canon-filmed-oscar-nominees-2020/ I also don't really understand why Canon always get singled-out when Sony also segment their Alpha & FX line in similar if not more crippled way. No Alpha has RAW or video assist tools, not even the FX3.

As much as I hate micro HDMI, it does work (especially with a cage offering lock support). But I just don't think the R5C is going to be aimed at shooters with full crews ( focus pullers, directors etc ). Most likely one-man run & gun that needs photo/video inside a single cam..

Agreed, R5C is worthy of C line branding, FX3 not imo. From Gordons test I don't see a DR enhancement but noise at 3200 ISO is definitely cleaned up. Also 4K60 is oversampled whereas it seemed soft and aliased on R5. IBIS aside, R5C is a really substantial jump in features/specs for video shooters.

It seems Canon went a lot further than Sony's FX3 by giving the R5C full C line menu & options including custom LUT support, assist tools & recording options. The dual gain ISO is also quite a welcome surprise. I honestly wasn't expecting all that, especially with such a small bump to the R5 price point. I'm still leaning towards the C70 for I/Os, NDs & battery life, but the R5C is a very compelling alternative considering you gain 8K and a 45MP stills camera at a much cheaper price point with not much compromises! I guess I'll still need to see what the DR comparisons in between C70 (with CRL) & R5C are to make final decision.

$4,400. wow that's way less than I expected. Has WFM & false color too! Lack of IBIS is a bummer, there is your "cripple hammer". Knew they had to take off something, especially at that price. This camera is for hybrid shooters that want/need FF 6K/8K Raw with no overheating. Love/Hate Canon but there simply is no competition at such a price point. C70 getting CRL makes lot more sense now because this 5RC packs a lot of punch.

this camera is getting interesting.. RAW LT options is a nice surprise. Looks like Canon finally has an efficient RAW codec. by the way what resolution & crop factor does this correspond to: 2976 x 1570 (Super 16mm) ?

The C70 codec is definitely soft compared to the C300 mk3. This guy shows a direct comparison: C200 is also very soft when using XFAVC vs RAW Lite, so hopefully on C70 the RAW Lite will add the missing sharpness/detail. I must say adding such a compressed RAW codec on the C70 really seals the deal for me on that cam. Was not expecting such a major firmware update from Canon neither.

It's a high bitrate h265 so like any camera using that codec its a PITA if you're using a non M1 Mac. But if you upgrade to even the most basic $999 M1 MacBook Air, the codec becomes a breeze! Can't comment on the Raw but file sizes alone sound like a nightmare to manage. Well concerning "photography features" imo either two things: they'll remove the EVF like Sony did on FX3 or the price will be indeed be upwards $6K. And at that point the R3 could be a competitor. Or R6 + second hand C70 which is the combo I'm looking at right now. There will be a catch with the R5C imho. cripple hammer or insane price.

It kinda sounds to me like Canon is pulling a Sony FX3. So basically a rehoused R5 that allows cooling. Canon have never put any exposure tools like WFM outside of the C line so I wouldn't expect it here either. Personally I'd still pick a C70 over a R5C for video. ND's, XLR, all day battery life, DGO sensor, exposure tools, anamorphic support etc. All that matters more in the real world to me than resolution or even IBIS.

It can't be viable for Canon to have two mounts to cater to. Clearly the future is RF. And hence at some point they have to kill off EF. Personally I have an R6 but no L series RF glass. I find them too expensive and plasticky. I like vintage glass on modern sensors anyways and some EF designs are really starting to feel "vintage"! The RF lens range is also still pretty incomplete. Still not a 35mm L series lens which is insane imo (the 35mm F1.4 L EF II still being my all-time favorite). As for DSLR yeah they will be missed. I still have my 5D classic. Do love optical viewfinder and all-over ergonomics and reliability. My R6 feels like a toy in comparison and single point AF on the joystick feels cumbersome. It's like something got lost in translation with the jump to mirrorless. If I were a sport/action shooter no doubt I'd cling on to any 1DX vs mirrorless.

Sounds like the C70 may not be for you. But really you just can't compare it directly to a S5, R5, A7S3 etc. You should compare it to your C200. So yeah no IBIS is pretty standard across all cine cams. I think I prefer the Alexa type DGO sensor to a dual-gain ISO sensor. It's not so much about high ISO but the fact that you can pull back so much clean shadow information. Just need to expose to protect highlight. About the AF, supposedly the last firmware update improved it substantially. Maybe a C70 user here could confirm? Finally the RF mount + Speedbooster, I think is the main appeal of the camera! You're stuck on EF glass in S35 with C100/C200/C300/BMPCC6K. Here you get FF FoV + extra stop on your EF lenses so lowlight is actually improved. You can also use adapters so RF mount all the way. The R5 downsamples from 8K. BMPCC 6K. Of course they're going to be sharper. That said, C70 seems sharper than the very soft 4K coming from C200/C300.

What's wrong with its build quality? I mean I'm sure its no RED/ARRI but does it feel any worse than a C100/C200? All the C70 reviews I've seen say it feels a lot more solid and substantial in hand than let's say a BMPCC6K. It's all relative to what you compare it to I guess. R5/R6 feel a bit on the cheap side compared to their DSLR counterparts imo. R3 looks like a major step up in build quality.

I remember testing the XC10. On paper it seemed like an affordable C-line camera but in practice I remember problems with WideDR & CLOG. I dismissed that camera immediately because of that. Getting back to the C70, a super nice feature is the possibility to import LUTs directly in the CP settings. So you could bake in CLOG with a tailored LUT. This alone is a game changer for my workflow. I have this setup as well on my FS7 in Cine EI mode (usually with Venice LUT). For fast turnaround projects with a specific look in mind this comes clutch. Again key feature missing from the hybrid R line and the A7S/FX3.