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No 8K...PLEASE!

17 hours ago, TomTheDP said:

If Fuji didn’t have record limits I’d buy one again. They are great stills cams and the video is good enough to be a B cam to my S1. My complaints with Fuji is their processing is more artificial compared to Panasonic full frame. The IBIS isn’t as good. And they have the damn record limits even in HD.

I completely agree. The video looks a little over-processed to me---something artificial but I can't say specifically what causes it---colors are lovely---I've found the peaking is among the very best in the industry and you can punch in and refocus anytime while rolling---you can't beat it. Only Blackmagic allows you to do that. But the IBIS latency ruins a lot of shots. Keep the camera moving and you're okay. Stop and when you start again the image will lag---made me a little crazy.

For me this is really sad news. I LOVED the X-H1. It was and still is the best camera body I've ever owned---vastly superior in feel to the XT4...vastly. If Fuji markets the guts of the Xt4 in an X-H1 body I'd buy it in a New York minute.

The X-H1 was such a pleasure to hold and shoot---I've sold my X-T4 and don't have any Fuji product at the moment. But the day the X-H2 hits the market that will all change---even if it's only an X-T4 in the X-H1 body. The body and feel of shooting hand held video with the X-H1 is a temptation to buy another right now. Never had so much fun and down right pleasure shooting a camera!

13 minutes ago, newfoundmass said:

As it seems more and more likely this is real, I'm just filled with disappointment. I've got a hard decision to make soon: do I run my M43 kit until I have to switch systems or do I sell my kit now while it still has decent monetary value that I can put towards a new system? And what system do I go with? Ugh. 

If this is your quandary I would suggest selling what you have and going with Fujifilm---specifically, the XT-4, looking forward to the X-H2---the X-H1 being best feeling and handling hybrid camera I've ever owned.
The hybrid features of the X-T4 are second to none, and the film simulations give you the shortest distance between shooting and editing great looking footage I know of. APS-C is the ideal compromise between full frame and MFT, and the video usage features of the X-T4 are the very best---better than any other maker of hybrid cameras--- more than all the others they help you get the shot and get it right. Other companies do individual things better, ie, Panasonic with its IBIS, but Fuji does everything at very high levels of excellence---and it's only going to get better. The icing on the cake: no better company for the consumer than Fuji.

my 2¢

A GH6 with Pro Res, a GH5s-style sensor---with Panasonic proprietary Speed booster for L-mount lenses, that great stabilization, and DPAF---BIG success IMHO.

These features would go a long way to eliminating the GH5's double Achilles heel: AF and noise.
I LOVED my GH5s....but no stabilization took its toll---but what a great camera with a beautiful image. Dare I say Panasonic has very much caught up with Canon vis a vis color? I love the colors out of the S5---they have an embarrassment of riches for the video shooter---but it all needs to be crowned with Pro Res and DPAF---the Pro Res would draw a lot of both Canon and Sony shooters.

My 2¢
Always inciteful and provocative. That's the reason for the staying power of EOSHD.



 

Well, Andrew I sympathize with your experience. As you perhaps know I'm not a professional in the videography profession, but I am a professional in music. I run my own company which sells the musical instruments of my acoustical design and finishing preparations.

Over the years we've constantly had problems with eBay----sellers definitely get the short end of the stick on eBay---the VERY SHORT end. Because we  sell so much periodically we have some leverage---but it's always a battle.

Many years ago my first purchase on eBay was a Sony camera---can't recall the model, but it was $1,200.00.

The seller was rated gold standard by eBay rating. But after I paid the $$$ I began to read comments from buyers and it became clear this person was a scammer. I NEVER RECEIVED THE CAMERA.  The problem was so bad it ended in a class action suit (which you mentioned) and the seller was incarcerated for fraud.

It took around 2 years for all the legal proceedings. In compensation as being a part of the class action suit I received a grand total of about $150.00 of my original purchase. THAT was my very first transaction on eBay.

Sadder but wiser I still do my utmost with carry on absolutely fair, open, and above board transactions---but dealing with the public, either in my business, or with rotten "Gier über Alles" companies like eBay has really given a eye-opening perspective on human nature, the levels people will stoop to for $$$ or sometimes just from outright meanness.

Is there a solution? Yes, I think there is, but not an international one analogous to eBay. The solution is to sell as locally as possible and KNOW your seller as well as possible. Nothing replaces mutual good will and a sense of fairness. Without those I'm not sure there's any corporate entity that can insure a good experience. But eBay--they don't even try, while they plunder you for exorbitant fees. 

It's far from perfect. But I think you may find it better that what sellers routinely experience on eBay. 

A short word on so-called gender equality:
Equality does not mean sameness.

It is a serious error in logic to insist they do (and today's brainwashed ideologues DO insist they do in every occasion and instance it serves their perceived advantage.)
Burger King people, the Sinatrazites beware---your way is the surest way to misery.
Yet, the remain undaunted and undeterred. 
They buttress their argument by promoting the other part of their ideological agenda: gender dysphoria. And they apparently intend on beginning it on the innocent at as early an age as they can legally get away with.
The end result is "the New Man"---identifiable by being in a perpetual state of mass identity confusion in every conceivable way.
Here the ideological Lords intone, "All the better to manipulate and control you, dearie."

Meanwhile, human nature grows increasingly distorted and perverted, accelerating the already breath-taking slide of humanity down the rabbit hole leading to oblivion and extinction.
But who cares?
When human life has lost all objective purpose and meaning, and great masses are either incapable of or exhausted  from making up their own, what does it matter. Oblivion will be a relief. 
The question I find the most curious in this whole process is simply this: Can the truth about the reality of man become so muddled
and confused in his insane, blind, and quixotic attempt to become his own god and recreate himself in his own perverse, distorted ideological image, that any and all vestiges of anything that was naturally good in him be completely destroyed?
Can you say Gargoyle? Can you say "fully ersatz, proxy existence?"

Can you say "universal Marxism?"

I think if the S1H were not so pricy it would actually be higher up on the list...but if it weren't so pricy it probably would not have the features that would stimulate such large numbers of discussion....catch 22.

Hmmmm. 

Love the S1H!

4 hours ago, John Matthews said:

I found EOSHD because of RX100. I participated in this site because of the GX85... even bought a EOSHD Pro Color. Ventured onto Sony FF, regretted every minute, again bought EOSHD Pro Color. Went back to M43 and I'll stay there for the foreseeable future.

IMO, which camera has:

1. best image: S1H, BMPCC 4k
2. best AF: A7 III
3. best allrounder (photo and video): GH5, A7 III
4. best value: GX85
5. most versatile for its size: Sigma FP

Those are tough choices though and I haven't used all of them. Also, lens selection is probably equally as important when using AF.

One noticeably absent from your list is the Nikon Z6. It is killer good...and easy to use, excellent features, and as good for color as any on the list.

What holds it back? Crazy things: 1. coming late to the party with mirrorless, 2.. not being able to have both Zebras and peaking activated at the same time---who ever heard of that?!?!? It made me crazy. What camera company are FOOLS enough to make you choose between having good exposure or good focus?!? If this camera, with its image and color, had as good a use features as the Fuji X-T4 (or X-H1), i'd have it still.

Why so these companies give us so much that is good---even great, and then deprive us of the things that facilitate our ability to get the best of those great things and cripple ease of use...like not being able to have peaking and zebras simultaneously operative, not being able to punch in while recording to check critical focus...you know the thing.... I really love the Nikon colors and look, and the rock solid dependability...and the stabilization was noticeably better than the A7III (and colors, BY FAR)---but those small but ESSENTIAL things, the lack of which cripple real-world usage eventually made me sell it.

😞

There are definitely issues with Sony and Canon at this point. Looks to me like Sony won this round thus far.

I agree with Andrew about not getting caught up with the hype, and take a good look at what these other companies are doing, because they're worth looking at for their quality and innovation.

Myself? I ordered the S5 the moment I heard about it and saw it. There's a place for all these cameras----EVERYTHING doesn't have to be full frame---or even benefit from full frame. I just bought a G9----I'm knocked out at how good the video looks, skin tones in the Rec 709 profiles are beautiful---looking great out of the camera, and with 10 bit 422, super easy to grade and look great.

There's a place for this camera---a time and occasion it will be better than full frame. 

IMO, I think Panasonic has done themselves  well this round. They chose not to be in the mix with Sony and Canon and made a GREAT decision to contribute something sorely needed in their line of full frame cameras----a great camera with robust video features that doesn't require a fork lift to shoot.

Good on ya, mates, good on ya. The S5 will be a solid performer on the market---that's how I see it.

1 hour ago, Cliff Totten said:

I'm really curious to see what the market tolerance is today for contrast hunting AF. Years ago, Lumix had 10bit recording to high bit rate codecs. This gave them leverage over their competition and compelled buyers to tolerate contrast hunting AF. We never wanted "Depth From Defocus"...but we bought it anyway to get acces to the other features.

Today?...that leverage has eroded. 10bit color and high bitrate codecs are now becoming standard issue on all the competition.

Lumix's most valuable features are no longer exclusive and we no longer need to  just "live with" contrast hunting AF like it used to be.

The market has changed drastically in 2020 and 2021. People are demanding crazy good AF much more today than they did 3 years ago.

Cliff, I think Panasonic still has great images, great color, a great LOG and LUTS, and the stabilization is still superior. I still don't care for Sony colors---even in what I've seen from the A7sIII. They're still on the bottom, with Panasonic, Canon, Nikon and Fuji on top--take your choice. This S5 looks great for hand held shooting. I'm really looking forward to using it.

I think Panasonic is positioned well among the pack....and I believe they can move up. If they did phase detect AF people would switch to them in droves. They're competitive in video even without it...and they don't overheat.

On 9/2/2020 at 9:14 AM, Geoff CB said:

At $2000 I would much rather buy a used S1 with it's better battery, EVF, and handling. The only thing it lacks is the 10-bit 60p. 

Edit: And unlimited record time and a full size HDMI instead of micro.  

It LOOKS REALLY good for hand held, MF shooters---checking all the boxes---including not requiring a fork lift to shoot hand held.

I agree with you entirely about the AF thing. If you want a point and shoot buy one---they're cheap. But if you want to shoot video make MF your priority. I'm just an amateur, but I shoot MF all the time. When I turn on AF I feel like I've lost what little artistic discretion  I have and put the camera in control.

For photos i can see AF being a big deal. But not for video. AF had made shooters too lazy and able to shoot indiscriminately. That can't be good.

7 hours ago, ntblowz said:

You see those 4 pin on top? That what connect to S5, while older cam connect to other other 4 pin on the opposite side.

Yes, I know what those connectors do. I've owned an S1 and presently own an S1H---unfortunately I don't own and can't afford the purchased of a fork lift, so I don't take it out all that often or for all that long.

I was just hoping the S5 would run off both sets of connectors so the batteries would be interchangeable.

alas, you can't have every thing---not sure why, but that's what they say. Thanks for the response.

3 minutes ago, ntblowz said:

GH5 and older cam can use the new S5 battery, but not vice versa, cause S5's battery have a separate pin

are you sure of that? If so I guess I heard it wrong.

On 8/14/2020 at 6:11 AM, ntblowz said:

Really curious what the price will be, the 20-60mm is perfect for travel and vlog.

In the US the price for both cam and lens will be 2,200 or thereabouts.

Andrew,

Thanks for your comments on the S5. I can't wait to see and read your final assessment of the S5.

Seeing all the reviews it strikes me the S5 is what the S1 should have been all along-----at least for video. Also, BIG NEWS: the peaking does not verschwand before my eyes. THANK YOU, Panasonic.

From the footage I've seen from reviewers on youtube the image quality and colors---skin tones--look lovely....Panasonic may be taking the cake for best color, just love it.

It's capabilities make, in my mind, a needed correction for the excessive number of frame rates in the S1H----plus, no fork lift is required  to shoot the S5. And it's getting RAW and Cinema 4k later this year? Is that right? 

Amazing.

Besides, the new battery I understand the S5 can also use the standard GH5 battery. Is that right?

For me, a fully manual video shooter, this is the most exciting offering of the season. It clicks all my boxes, and the few it doesn't click---well, they weren't all that critical anyway. I'm seriously considering going all in with Panasonic at this point.

11 hours ago, homestar_kevin said:

I just bought a used nx1 body, but that's because I already own one and all of the samsung lenses.

If I were buying today, I wouldn't buy into the system unless I was absolutely sure that's what I wanted or if I found a really good deal. I'd go fuji, sony, m43, or stick with the Nikon Z stuff.

Honestly, I'll probably buy into Nikon Z this year or next depending on how the system evolves. 

I love the samsung stuff and the results I get from it. None of it is going anywhere at this point.

The lenses are all very very good. The native lenses are one of the biggest reasons I'm still with the system.

They are focus by wire, but the responsiveness is adjustable in the menus and I don't mind it. The autofocus on the S Zoom lenses and some others is pretty fantastic and has been my main way of working with the camera for live events and run and gun. There's some faults to the autofocus system, but once you learn it, it's strengths are there and are very strong.

You can set up peaking and turn it on or off from the menu. Then, you only need to turn the focus ring to get peaking to show up. This works with native or adapted lenses.

I've hooked up monitors view HDMI and it's fine. Not great, but definitely should work fine with the zacuto EVF.

The EVF and LCD on the nx1 are both really, really good. I've been very content using just those.

You can hand hold the camera, but again, 95% of the time I'm using the native lenses, some of which have good IS.

I love the camera, it really has been amazing and fun to use and because of my situation and the size/depth of my NX collection, I doubt I'll ever get rid of it, but we're a long time away from these cameras being new and it was discontinued when I bought into the system. 

It's great for what it is, but buy the Fuji or something else that's still supported/manufactured unless you get a good deal and know that this is exactly what you want. 

 

 

 

Thanks a bunch for all the info. Super helpful. My plan would be to use third party lenses. I really dislike AF for the shooting I do. How do you think it would hold up stabilization-wise with 3rd party lenses?

also, has anyone made an electronic ef to nx adapter that would support canon lenses with stabilization?

1 hour ago, Andrew Reid said:

I've not got an X-T4 yet but it looks very good.

Although it's not quite the revolution people expected. I'd rather get an X-H2... Who knows if there will be one though.

I always preferred the X-H1 and NX1 handling and ergonomics to the X-T3 / X-T4 style body.

The latter are also really well built, superb pro quality high-end feel in the hand whereas the X-T series always felt a bit lightweight.

X-T4 seems to have some subtle improvements ergonomically

But the NX1 nailed the "mirrorless DSLR" feel in terms of responsiveness and direct control.

The NX1 image is amazing in 4K, stands up very well in 2020 especially with the high bitrate hack. It can't really do ISO 6400 and above though.

In many ways it was 4-5 years ahead of the game.

It is also an exceptional stills camera.

I wouldn't swap my NX1 for the X-T4. I'd buy the Fuji first and decide if I like it, then go back to the NX1 if not.

Andrew, Thanks so much for your candor---and objectivity, that's always appreciated.
I love what I see of the NX-1 footage---so clean and sharp without looking over sharpened or unnatural looking---with great  color. 
What I've learned from shooting the Nikon Z6 is how great it is to shoot a camera where everything, ergonomically, is just "there." 
It really facilitates ease in shooting. For all the lacks and deficiencies of the Z6, it's a great camera to use with decent stabilization with non-electric lenses. That is why I'm looking so closely at the NX1...ease and facility in shooting is everything run and gun. But the lack of IBIS concerns me. Can it feasibly be hand held with third party, non-electronic lenses??
Does it work well with a viewfinder---like the Zacuto?? I noted activation of "peaking" (which I find essential) is on the touch screen. Can it be activated in the menu without having to touch the screen?
Also, I understand the lenses are all fly-by-wire MF. That's a deal breaker for me as I very seldom use AF of any kind in hand held shooting. At least my Nikon has F mount lenses that have mechanical MF---and decent focus wheels...not as good as the Canon FDs, but decent.

Basically, I think your final advice is sage---and that is why I'll probably do it. I think I'm finished with my inquiry if you have a moment to address the few additional questions I just posted above. Thanks so much--very helpful.
Here's a video that piqued my interest in the NX-1----I think this guy's from France.

42 minutes ago, Geoff CB said:

Honestly the XT-3 was already ahead of the NX1 in everything except ergonomics, XT-4 far surpasses that with IBIS, LOG, and far better rolling shutter performance. 

Only thing that the NX1 beats it at is the body design.

Thanks for your comments--they are well received and considered.

How did you like the IBIS of the NX1? I'm really attracted to the ergonomics and the sharp, clean footage I've seen. LOG is not that important to me---I have several cams that can do that. But nothing that looks that clean.

Andrew,

I note the X-T4 and the NX-1 have a lot of comparable features.

From your knowledge of the features and

capabilities of both, how to you think they compare? What about IBIS in each?
Would you swap your NX-1 for an XT-4?

thanks for all you do and share with the community of video shooters.

tom

2 hours ago, Emanuel said:

As far as these guys say, Sony for AF (let alone Canon), Panasonic for IBIS and Fuji for CS. Here's the perfect cam! LOL

In any case, I believe the results will vary accordingly the glass. Time to think to look for slower ones... if that will help. Learn to deal with IBIS follows, like driving a race car ; -)

 

Kacey's tests are RIDICULOUS. Who in their right mind uses a camera like that?

Plus, Gerald and Kacey were shooting on a preproduction model with lenses that probably needed firmware. I think the results of the cameras sent to various reviewers varied--which makes sense. One reviewer hooked up a GH5 and the X-T4 and did a side to side walking test---and the X-T4 acquitted itself extremely well. IMO, the X-T4 did not get a fair review with Gerald and Kacey.

Better to see Jem Scholfield-- or Gordon Lang. Really good jobs, both of them.

On 1/22/2020 at 8:14 PM, kaylee said:

hey whats the expected dynamic range for this guy in video?

whats the dr of the xt3? like as a benchline lol, im new to fuji

I think you're going to be looking at about 11 to 12 stops with F-Log--and 10 bit 422.

Fuji now includes an internal LUT for LOG shooting--it's going to make exposing F-Log much better, and make peaking more useful. Personally, I'd shoot Eterna for video except in some extreme situation. The X-T4 looks like state of the art for APS-C cameras---best in class. I LOVED shooting the X-H1--such a wonderful experience--Nikon Z6 too. Both awesome.

So, Andrew, would a full set of vintage FD lenses work well on this camera? If so, how well would they stabilize, and what sort of adapter would they require?

On 2/14/2020 at 7:26 AM, Andrew Reid said:

I still prefer to shoot with the X-H1 😂

Hopefully X-T4 will be an X-H2 down to the millimetre and even the exact curvature of the nice deep grip.

I thought the same thing about the X-H1. I loved the punch in anytime feature, and, imo, the best peaking in the business. Images and colors--just lovely. Give me that camera and the IBIS of the GH5 and waveforms and I'm a happy camper.

On 1/23/2020 at 3:58 PM, Andrew Reid said:

 

Blackmagic have done a lot of great things, Resolve, the codec side, but the S1 and S1H have a flat out better image. It's that simple. And why anybody would not want the other things offered like IBIS and EVF, also baffles me.

Shootout coming soon.

Look forward to seeing that, Andrew.